On May 08 2012 19:48 Garmer wrote: the only thing not possibile in BW, is the super fast kiting
then you don't understand much about sc2.
im a master league player in sc2, and I promise you that the mechanics of BW players will pay off immensely. the units are microable , and this will probably improve even more in the expansion.
multitasking is very rewarding also.
i never said : there is no micro in SC2, just that in SC2 the only micro not present in BW is the fast-kiting, stuff like marine splitting against bane, can be done with any units in BW, isn't exactly something never seen
do you play sc2? if so , in what league ?
splitting large groups of marines super quickly would not be possible in BW.
why ? well, you can only select 12 units at the time, and the unit pathing is awful which might counteract what you are trying to achieve.
And of course, at 29:27,
Cool videos , they are awesome and all.
But they just prove my point.
Splitting large groups of marines quickly .... those are very small groups, no ?
This is what I mean can't be done in BW
edit: this is one of the reasons why former WC3 players do so well in Sc2 imo, their micro really shines.
On May 08 2012 19:48 Garmer wrote: the only thing not possibile in BW, is the super fast kiting
then you don't understand much about sc2.
im a master league player in sc2, and I promise you that the mechanics of BW players will pay off immensely. the units are microable , and this will probably improve even more in the expansion.
multitasking is very rewarding also.
i never said : there is no micro in SC2, just that in SC2 the only micro not present in BW is the fast-kiting, stuff like marine splitting against bane, can be done with any units in BW, isn't exactly something never seen
do you play sc2? if so , in what league ?
splitting large groups of marines super quickly would not be possible in BW.
why ? well, you can only select 12 units at the time, and the unit pathing is awful which might counteract what you are trying to achieve.
edit: this is one of the reasons why former WC3 players do so well in Sc2 imo, their micro really shines.
Well there's really no need for something of that sort in BW - there aren't anything equivalent to Banelings, short of Infested Terrans. Also, dodging storms is non-existent, simply because no sane Terran would go Bio unless it's a cheese build like BBS or Deep Six.
I don't have a link right now but Light and Flash's TvZ VODs (using SK Terran builds or variations, in other words - pure bio) are amazing displays of multi-splitting marines even with the limitation.
What's more amazing than Happy's micro is the fact that a 200/200 Zerg army can move so well in BW despite the 12-unit limitation. Jaedong, Zero, Soulkey, and Action have shown amazing control in those instances. Also, Happy's micro doesn't really use the hotkey advantage in SC2 - it's selection splitting. That's done in BW as well.
On May 08 2012 19:48 Garmer wrote: the only thing not possibile in BW, is the super fast kiting
then you don't understand much about sc2.
im a master league player in sc2, and I promise you that the mechanics of BW players will pay off immensely. the units are microable , and this will probably improve even more in the expansion.
multitasking is very rewarding also.
i never said : there is no micro in SC2, just that in SC2 the only micro not present in BW is the fast-kiting, stuff like marine splitting against bane, can be done with any units in BW, isn't exactly something never seen
do you play sc2? if so , in what league ?
splitting large groups of marines super quickly would not be possible in BW.
why ? well, you can only select 12 units at the time, and the unit pathing is awful which might counteract what you are trying to achieve.
On May 08 2012 19:48 Garmer wrote: the only thing not possibile in BW, is the super fast kiting
then you don't understand much about sc2.
im a master league player in sc2, and I promise you that the mechanics of BW players will pay off immensely. the units are microable , and this will probably improve even more in the expansion.
multitasking is very rewarding also.
i never said : there is no micro in SC2, just that in SC2 the only micro not present in BW is the fast-kiting, stuff like marine splitting against bane, can be done with any units in BW, isn't exactly something never seen
do you play sc2? if so , in what league ?
splitting large groups of marines super quickly would not be possible in BW.
why ? well, you can only select 12 units at the time, and the unit pathing is awful which might counteract what you are trying to achieve.
edit: this is one of the reasons why former WC3 players do so well in Sc2 imo, their micro really shines.
Well there's really no need for something of that sort in BW - there aren't anything equivalent to Banelings, short of Infested Terrans. Also, dodging storms is non-existent, simply because no sane Terran would go Bio unless it's a cheese build like BBS or Deep Six.
I don't have a link right now but Light and Flash's TvZ VODs (using SK Terran builds or variations, in other words - pure bio) are amazing displays of multi-splitting marines even with the limitation.
What's more amazing than Happy's micro is the fact that a 200/200 Zerg army can move so well in BW despite the 12-unit limitation. Jaedong, Zero, Soulkey, and Action have shown amazing control in those instances. Also, Happy's micro doesn't really use the hotkey advantage in SC2 - it's selection splitting. That's done in BW as well.
Interesting.
I recon that you would have to split like this vs plague, right ?
No sane person would use hotkeys to split marines vs banelings. The reason SC2 makes it easier in this case is that selection groups can be larger than 12 units. This , together with improved pathing makes the control much more consistent so that you can achieve more with less clicks.
On May 08 2012 19:48 Garmer wrote: the only thing not possibile in BW, is the super fast kiting
then you don't understand much about sc2.
im a master league player in sc2, and I promise you that the mechanics of BW players will pay off immensely. the units are microable , and this will probably improve even more in the expansion.
multitasking is very rewarding also.
i never said : there is no micro in SC2, just that in SC2 the only micro not present in BW is the fast-kiting, stuff like marine splitting against bane, can be done with any units in BW, isn't exactly something never seen
do you play sc2? if so , in what league ?
splitting large groups of marines super quickly would not be possible in BW.
why ? well, you can only select 12 units at the time, and the unit pathing is awful which might counteract what you are trying to achieve.
edit: this is one of the reasons why former WC3 players do so well in Sc2 imo, their micro really shines.
Well there's really no need for something of that sort in BW - there aren't anything equivalent to Banelings, short of Infested Terrans. Also, dodging storms is non-existent, simply because no sane Terran would go Bio unless it's a cheese build like BBS or Deep Six.
I don't have a link right now but Light and Flash's TvZ VODs (using SK Terran builds or variations, in other words - pure bio) are amazing displays of multi-splitting marines even with the limitation.
What's more amazing than Happy's micro is the fact that a 200/200 Zerg army can move so well in BW despite the 12-unit limitation. Jaedong, Zero, Soulkey, and Action have shown amazing control in those instances. Also, Happy's micro doesn't really use the hotkey advantage in SC2 - it's selection splitting. That's done in BW as well.
Interesting.
I recon that you would have to split like this vs plague, right ?
No sane person would use hotkeys to split marines vs banelings. The reason SC2 makes it easier in this case is that selection groups can be larger than 12 units. This , together with improved pathing makes the control much more consistent so that you can achieve more with less clicks.
Ah well you can barely dodge plague, it's nearly instant. You don't know if the Defiler will be casting a swarm or plague as well.
I do agree with what you say: SC2 makes this type of amazing control much simpler to pull off because you can clump them using one hotkey, then split them real fast afterwards.
I think the original point you were trying to make is that in BW, it's impossible to speedkite en masse, not speedkite per se, because there are many examples in BW of a small number of marines kiting against huge swarms of zerglings and pulling out a win.
On May 08 2012 19:48 Garmer wrote: the only thing not possibile in BW, is the super fast kiting
then you don't understand much about sc2.
im a master league player in sc2, and I promise you that the mechanics of BW players will pay off immensely. the units are microable , and this will probably improve even more in the expansion.
multitasking is very rewarding also.
i never said : there is no micro in SC2, just that in SC2 the only micro not present in BW is the fast-kiting, stuff like marine splitting against bane, can be done with any units in BW, isn't exactly something never seen
do you play sc2? if so , in what league ?
splitting large groups of marines super quickly would not be possible in BW.
why ? well, you can only select 12 units at the time, and the unit pathing is awful which might counteract what you are trying to achieve.
edit: this is one of the reasons why former WC3 players do so well in Sc2 imo, their micro really shines.
lol dodging banelings would take a BW progamer less than one week to master. There was some "dodging" in Brood War as Marines would have to dodge Lurker spines (still not to the extent as you would microing banelings though). But, dodging banelings isn't hard at all if your hands, awareness, and reactions are good enough which I'm sure all the current Bw progamers are because you have to have an unparalleled amount of multitask to play at that level.
On May 08 2012 19:48 Garmer wrote: the only thing not possibile in BW, is the super fast kiting
then you don't understand much about sc2.
im a master league player in sc2, and I promise you that the mechanics of BW players will pay off immensely. the units are microable , and this will probably improve even more in the expansion.
multitasking is very rewarding also.
i never said : there is no micro in SC2, just that in SC2 the only micro not present in BW is the fast-kiting, stuff like marine splitting against bane, can be done with any units in BW, isn't exactly something never seen
do you play sc2? if so , in what league ?
splitting large groups of marines super quickly would not be possible in BW.
why ? well, you can only select 12 units at the time, and the unit pathing is awful which might counteract what you are trying to achieve.
edit: this is one of the reasons why former WC3 players do so well in Sc2 imo, their micro really shines.
Well there's really no need for something of that sort in BW - there aren't anything equivalent to Banelings, short of Infested Terrans. Also, dodging storms is non-existent, simply because no sane Terran would go Bio unless it's a cheese build like BBS or Deep Six.
I don't have a link right now but Light and Flash's TvZ VODs (using SK Terran builds or variations, in other words - pure bio) are amazing displays of multi-splitting marines even with the limitation.
What's more amazing than Happy's micro is the fact that a 200/200 Zerg army can move so well in BW despite the 12-unit limitation. Jaedong, Zero, Soulkey, and Action have shown amazing control in those instances. Also, Happy's micro doesn't really use the hotkey advantage in SC2 - it's selection splitting. That's done in BW as well.
Interesting.
I recon that you would have to split like this vs plague, right ?
No sane person would use hotkeys to split marines vs banelings. The reason SC2 makes it easier in this case is that selection groups can be larger than 12 units. This , together with improved pathing makes the control much more consistent so that you can achieve more with less clicks.
On May 08 2012 19:48 Garmer wrote: the only thing not possibile in BW, is the super fast kiting
then you don't understand much about sc2.
im a master league player in sc2, and I promise you that the mechanics of BW players will pay off immensely. the units are microable , and this will probably improve even more in the expansion.
multitasking is very rewarding also.
i never said : there is no micro in SC2, just that in SC2 the only micro not present in BW is the fast-kiting, stuff like marine splitting against bane, can be done with any units in BW, isn't exactly something never seen
do you play sc2? if so , in what league ?
splitting large groups of marines super quickly would not be possible in BW.
why ? well, you can only select 12 units at the time, and the unit pathing is awful which might counteract what you are trying to achieve.
edit: this is one of the reasons why former WC3 players do so well in Sc2 imo, their micro really shines.
lol dodging banelings would take a BW progamer less than one week to master. There was some "dodging" in Brood War as Marines would have to dodge Lurker spines (still not to the extent as you would microing banelings though). But, dodging banelings isn't hard at all if your hands, awareness, and reactions are good enough which I'm sure all the current Bw progamers are because you have to have an unparalleled amount of multitask to play at that level.
I'm sure they could learn it. The point was that it was kind of a new concept. Splitting cost effective is not that hard, any master level terran has to be able to do that. But if you wanna do it like Happy, you have to practice. More than a week I guarantee you.
MKP was one of the pioneers when it came to marine micro, but if you compare his marine splitting now to how it looked 6-12 months ago the difference is astounding.
It is gonna be so interesting to see what Flash can do.
Logically he would be able to reach the absolute top. Even semi-retired BW pros like JulyZerg , Boxer and ForGG has been in code S , or very close at least. MVP who probably was the best BW player by the time he switched over has been truly impressive to watch.
On May 08 2012 19:48 Garmer wrote: the only thing not possibile in BW, is the super fast kiting
then you don't understand much about sc2.
im a master league player in sc2, and I promise you that the mechanics of BW players will pay off immensely. the units are microable , and this will probably improve even more in the expansion.
multitasking is very rewarding also.
i never said : there is no micro in SC2, just that in SC2 the only micro not present in BW is the fast-kiting, stuff like marine splitting against bane, can be done with any units in BW, isn't exactly something never seen
do you play sc2? if so , in what league ?
splitting large groups of marines super quickly would not be possible in BW.
why ? well, you can only select 12 units at the time, and the unit pathing is awful which might counteract what you are trying to achieve.
edit: this is one of the reasons why former WC3 players do so well in Sc2 imo, their micro really shines.
lol dodging banelings would take a BW progamer less than one week to master. There was some "dodging" in Brood War as Marines would have to dodge Lurker spines (still not to the extent as you would microing banelings though). But, dodging banelings isn't hard at all if your hands, awareness, and reactions are good enough which I'm sure all the current Bw progamers are because you have to have an unparalleled amount of multitask to play at that level.
I'm sure they could learn it. The point was that it was kind of a new concept. Splitting cost effective is not that hard, any master level terran has to be able to do that. But if you wanna do it like Happy, you have to practice. More than a week I guarantee you.
MKP was one of the pioneers when it came to marine micro, but if you compare his marine splitting now to how it looked 6-12 months ago the difference is astounding.
It is gonna be so interesting to see what Flash can do.
Logically he would be able to reach the absolute top. Even semi-retired BW pros like JulyZerg , Boxer and ForGG has been in code S , or very close at least. MVP who probably was the best BW player by the time he switched over has been truly impressive to watch.
On May 08 2012 19:48 Garmer wrote: the only thing not possibile in BW, is the super fast kiting
then you don't understand much about sc2.
im a master league player in sc2, and I promise you that the mechanics of BW players will pay off immensely. the units are microable , and this will probably improve even more in the expansion.
multitasking is very rewarding also.
i never said : there is no micro in SC2, just that in SC2 the only micro not present in BW is the fast-kiting, stuff like marine splitting against bane, can be done with any units in BW, isn't exactly something never seen
do you play sc2? if so , in what league ?
splitting large groups of marines super quickly would not be possible in BW.
why ? well, you can only select 12 units at the time, and the unit pathing is awful which might counteract what you are trying to achieve.
edit: this is one of the reasons why former WC3 players do so well in Sc2 imo, their micro really shines.
lol dodging banelings would take a BW progamer less than one week to master. There was some "dodging" in Brood War as Marines would have to dodge Lurker spines (still not to the extent as you would microing banelings though). But, dodging banelings isn't hard at all if your hands, awareness, and reactions are good enough which I'm sure all the current Bw progamers are because you have to have an unparalleled amount of multitask to play at that level.
I'm sure they could learn it. The point was that it was kind of a new concept. Splitting cost effective is not that hard, any master level terran has to be able to do that. But if you wanna do it like Happy, you have to practice. More than a week I guarantee you.
MKP was one of the pioneers when it came to marine micro, but if you compare his marine splitting now to how it looked 6-12 months ago the difference is astounding.
It is gonna be so interesting to see what Flash can do.
Logically he would be able to reach the absolute top. Even semi-retired BW pros like JulyZerg , Boxer and ForGG has been in code S , or very close at least. MVP who probably was the best BW player by the time he switched over has been truly impressive to watch.
It's going to be exciting for sure!
In terms of breathtaking displays of micro, I think Baby and Leta, and Fantasy to a lesser extent, have shown fancier stuff with marines (not applicable to Fantasy), vultures, and wraiths. But Flash is always the most amazing because his small decisions, in context, lead to amazing results. His micro and macro is, of course, at the peak.
And to all those saying Flash's APM isn't as high as others... in EAPM he ranks right up there with Jaedong and Bisu (hovering at 250-280). That's cause his APM is at a consistent, efficient pace and doesn't peak too much (which is why he can be out-multitasked by, for example, Baby in TvT or Bisu in PvT). He doesn't play moment by moment but whole game by whole game. Amazing really. Hopefully he can show that in SC2 as well.
Name translated into "I'm coming", started playing during the time of Flash's wrist surgery rehabilitation and was placed in platinum, lots of games played during rehabilitation, quickly moved into master league, less games played during Flash's huge win streak, more games played during Flash's losses, heaps of games played recently, currently in a two digit rank of master league and of course a Terran player.
On May 08 2012 07:13 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: Here's a great video (Second part of 2, but this is the more action packed part) of Jaedong's insance speed in first person view.
Trying to find a flash fpvod but it seems that none exist.
Looks like FBH is confirmed, and unfortunately confirmed to play P...not a big loss compared to if Bisu switched to T
He's going to FF-donut opponents and dance around them like he did around savior, pretending to be a forcefield.
I can't wait.
I saw ForGG play a "firebathero" on his stream. FBH was playing Protoss which is why no one in the chat (me included) belived it was the real FBH. Anyways I asked ForGG but he said he didn't know if it was him or not.
Looks like FBH is confirmed, and unfortunately confirmed to play P...not a big loss compared to if Bisu switched to T
He's going to FF-donut opponents and dance around them like he did around savior, pretending to be a forcefield.
I can't wait.
I saw ForGG play a "firebathero" on his stream. FBH was playing Protoss which is why no one in the chat (me included) belived it was the real FBH. Anyways I asked ForGG but he said he didn't know if it was him or not.
Yeah it was confirmed multiple times that FBH switched to P...I think ForGG either didn't understand you or didn't want to reveal it on stream b/c of Kespa. But now since everything has been announced, my guess is you'll see some reveals soon, although probably not S class players.
EPT
