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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On April 11 2011 04:27 Jackal58 wrote: Bullshit. If you took a minute to stop swinging your dick around you'd see more than a spray of smegma. You're either assassin or scum. I'm leaning towards assassin. QTF | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On April 11 2011 04:27 BrownBear wrote: Actually, all roles are hidden  (no there aren't) KK, thanks. Wanted to make sure AirbladeOrange couldn't be some kind of Village Idiot. Also, Airblade, why do you want to get lynched? Are you just making fun of Dr. H? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 11 2011 04:27 Jackal58 wrote: Bullshit. If you took a minute to stop swinging your dick around you'd see more than a spray of smegma. You're either assassin or scum. I'm leaning towards assassin. Wtf makes you think in any way shape or form that I'm lurking????? If it's because my first post wasn't until this morning blame BB for starting the game early. Sorry but I have to sleep sometime. Since I got up I've been posting all over this bitch. Town wants town in office. I don't care if protactinium dies and neither should you. I want a town player in office, I'm sorry if you're not good enough to get a town read on someone who is running. So because I don't want an assassin mayor therefore i am assassin/scum good logic. oh wait no it isnt | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
1) Prot will use his KP to kill assassin and not the way we want to use them thus saving them up only for assassins 2) Other assassins will use their KP to try to hit BodyGuard so they can kill Prot, effectively shooting into the town crowd. Those two arguments contradict each other. The first one is saying Prot will conserve his KP for only assassins since he is an assassin. The second one is saying that assassins would waste their KP on non-assassins to try to find BG. What's probably going to happen is assassins will try to find out the other assassins first, wait till both BG are dead from reds killing them and then hit Prot. This serves the purpose of conserving their KP to only kill assassins and also works in their favor cause mafia want to kill the BG to get rid of Prot. | ||
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Robellicose
England245 Posts
I think the assassins are much more likely to lay low and wait for the mafia to deal with the bodyguards. Having an assassin mayor won't draw more fire for the town. Having said that, I still think it's better to have a town mayor, so I'm keeping my vote on the candidate I believe most likely to be town (GMarshall). | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
Personally, I don't think he's actually demonstrated to me that hes really the assassin and not the GF framing himself black. If he's who he says he is, then he is absolutely capable of pulling such a trick over on us. Who could possibly counterclaim? Another assassin? They don't know if he's one of them or not. In fact, if I was the godfather and a vet, this is precisely the strategy I would use to get elected mayor. I'd tell everyone I am 'so sick of mafia, I just want to make this game fun' and I would rely on my reputation to convince people that I know what I'm doing. I think I made clear in the previous earlygame (insane 2) my opinion on relying on reputation when I opposed Kav's mayoral campaign. However, he is a tried and proven player and an excellent analyzer. As such, I am tempted to keep him alive... but on a leash. He can't be in a position of power, but to lose such an excellent player this early in the game would be pretty painful. Nonetheless, we are presented with an opportunity here. We have a known target. We can be 100% certain that if we don't elect Protract he is going to be hit tonight. Tnkted's Plan We don't elect Protract. Instead, we use him as bait. Watcher should watch Protract. In the morning, you should post everyone who visited him. Any assassins that visit protract in the night will be revealed to each other (something I'm certain they don't want) and any mafia trying to hit our strongest player will be revealed as well. Of course, we reveal our watcher in this plan, but is it worth it to the assassins to trade their anonymity for one kill? It would completely end their parts in the game by the second night, and would turn an enjoyable game of lurking in the shadows into certain death. Thoughts? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 11 2011 04:44 tnkted wrote: We can't have protract be mayor. If he plays to his win condition at all, we're left with a mayor who people will constantly second-guess, whose three votes will almost certainly be countered by three switched votes from players who will vote the opposite way of him. In addition, the controversy his every vote will cause will give mafia an excellent opportunity to slip between the cracks and promote conflict in the town. Regardless of whether or not he is the best candidate, electing him would be extremely detrimental to town, if for no other reason than the fact that people are so divided over this. Personally, I don't think he's actually demonstrated to me that hes really the assassin and not the GF framing himself black. If he's who he says he is, then he is absolutely capable of pulling such a trick over on us. Who could possibly counterclaim? Another assassin? They don't know if he's one of them or not. In fact, if I was the godfather and a vet, this is precisely the strategy I would use to get elected mayor. I'd tell everyone I am 'so sick of mafia, I just want to make this game fun' and I would rely on my reputation to convince people that I know what I'm doing. I think I made clear in the previous earlygame (insane 2) my opinion on relying on reputation when I opposed Kav's mayoral campaign. However, he is a tried and proven player and an excellent analyzer. As such, I am tempted to keep him alive... but on a leash. He can't be in a position of power, but to lose such an excellent player this early in the game would be pretty painful. Nonetheless, we are presented with an opportunity here. We have a known target. We can be 100% certain that if we don't elect Protract he is going to be hit tonight. Tnkted's Plan We don't elect Protract. Instead, we use him as bait. Watcher should watch Protract. In the morning, you should post everyone who visited him. Any assassins that visit protract in the night will be revealed to each other (something I'm certain they don't want) and any mafia trying to hit our strongest player will be revealed as well. Of course, we reveal our watcher in this plan, but is it worth it to the assassins to trade their anonymity for one kill? It would completely end their parts in the game by the second night, and would turn an enjoyable game of lurking in the shadows into certain death. Thoughts? bait for what? we don't care about the assassins why would we waste the watchers night action trying to catch assassins that absolutely dont matter to us also assassins can't kill n1 | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On April 11 2011 04:42 Barundar wrote: So chaoser, are you still running? Oh sorry, I don't remember your question from before, can you ask it again? I was going to answer it but people came over and I forgot. I'm still running but I think Prot should be in office in some sort of position. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On April 11 2011 04:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: bait for what? we don't care about the assassins why would we waste the watchers night action trying to catch assassins that absolutely dont matter to us also assassins can't kill n1 Because it keeps the assassins from wanting to kill Protract. If they kill him we reveal who they are. Perhaps the watcher isn't actually watching protract, but if he is they are revealed. It makes killing him a giant risk and allows us to vote an actual townie into office. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 11 2011 04:44 tnkted wrote: We can't have protract be mayor. If he plays to his win condition at all, we're left with a mayor who people will constantly second-guess, whose three votes will almost certainly be countered by three switched votes from players who will vote the opposite way of him. In addition, the controversy his every vote will cause will give mafia an excellent opportunity to slip between the cracks and promote conflict in the town. Regardless of whether or not he is the best candidate, electing him would be extremely detrimental to town, if for no other reason than the fact that people are so divided over this. Personally, I don't think he's actually demonstrated to me that hes really the assassin and not the GF framing himself black. If he's who he says he is, then he is absolutely capable of pulling such a trick over on us. Who could possibly counterclaim? Another assassin? They don't know if he's one of them or not. In fact, if I was the godfather and a vet, this is precisely the strategy I would use to get elected mayor. I'd tell everyone I am 'so sick of mafia, I just want to make this game fun' and I would rely on my reputation to convince people that I know what I'm doing. I think I made clear in the previous earlygame (insane 2) my opinion on relying on reputation when I opposed Kav's mayoral campaign. However, he is a tried and proven player and an excellent analyzer. As such, I am tempted to keep him alive... but on a leash. He can't be in a position of power, but to lose such an excellent player this early in the game would be pretty painful. Nonetheless, we are presented with an opportunity here. We have a known target. We can be 100% certain that if we don't elect Protract he is going to be hit tonight. Tnkted's Plan We don't elect Protract. Instead, we use him as bait. Watcher should watch Protract. In the morning, you should post everyone who visited him. Any assassins that visit protract in the night will be revealed to each other (something I'm certain they don't want) and any mafia trying to hit our strongest player will be revealed as well. Of course, we reveal our watcher in this plan, but is it worth it to the assassins to trade their anonymity for one kill? It would completely end their parts in the game by the second night, and would turn an enjoyable game of lurking in the shadows into certain death. Thoughts? Three major points, 1, why do we care if protract lives? You just said you think he could be a really ballsy GF, or what he claims, either way we dont care who takes him out. 2, why do we want to reveal assassins again? We should not care about them, and any resources we waste identifying other assassins are resources not spent protecting pro town players/catching scum. 3.) Assassins can't hit night 1 anyway so putting a watcher on him would be a waste unless scum is stupid and hits them. Basicaly, why would we waste resources on him. I've thought better of my intial reaction of offering him medics. If he isn't pro-town then we have no need to expend resources on him. there are only two reasonable positions here, you either think he is going to help the town and vote him in, or you think he won't and just choose to ignore him from here on out and count on assassins hitting him night 2. Any other plan is wasting town resources that we need to catch scum. | ||
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The_Roist
United States58 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 11 2011 04:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Town wants town in office. I don't care if protactinium dies and neither should you. I want a town player in office, I'm sorry if you're not good enough to get a town read on someone who is running. So because I don't want an assassin mayor therefore i am assassin/scum good logic. oh wait no it isnt If he's not elected I don't give two shits about him. He won't last night 1. And your pro town reads got you far in mini mafiaV when node played you like a baby grand. So don't try to pass off your exceptional ability to differentiate. Scum want scum in the mayors seat. That is the only 100% truth. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
i have a bad feeling this entire game is about to be about protact/discussing the assassin game. this is the least important thing we could possibly talk about. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 11 2011 04:52 Jackal58 wrote: If he's not elected I don't give two shits about him. He won't last night 1. And your pro town reads got you far in mini mafiaV when node played you like a baby grand. So don't try to pass off your exceptional ability to differentiate. Scum want scum in the mayors seat. That is the only 100% truth. ok | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 11 2011 04:51 The_Roist wrote: I've never seen a game get so worked up over a ninja/witch hunt before. Never one that the town has won anyway... We always brawl on day 1. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On April 10 2011 04:07 GGQ wrote: I agree with this, and want to point out that one way to tell the difference between mafia and assassins is that mafia know each other and assassins only know themselves. So while both will want to avoid notice and will seem anti-town, the mafia will be the ones who seem to have extra information that they are hiding. On April 10 2011 04:34 GMarshal wrote: This, I utterly and completely agree with this, those roles are far too powerful to risk in the hands of scum. Whoever is running better be really, really, obviously town, or they probably wont have my vote. On April 10 2011 04:49 Kavdragon wrote: Kitaman: I understand that electing someone who is clearly town is important and i completely agree On April 10 2011 19:57 Robellicose wrote: I agree with the many people who have argued against protact for mayor. On April 11 2011 03:09 kevconsim wrote: I agree with this. When protract doesnt get elected if he dies night 1 there is no real harm to us. Its a side game. It would be nice to have the extra kp's but is it worth it if a mafia gets into mayor or pardoner? NO On April 11 2011 03:21 Lanaia wrote: Also, I agree with Kita on the Protact issue, really. On April 10 2011 17:05 DropBear wrote: Good point by Kita. You are going to direct lynches at them, yes you are not. There is pretty blatant contradiction here. More thoughts to follow. Lots of agreeing and head nodding, but no action. Protactinium currently leads the race. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Think about it: 1.He's not mafia. We know this for a fact. We know that if he fails to either "rolecheck someone" or kill someone extra, then we lynch him. Furthormore, any of the other canidates we DONT KNOW if they ARE mafia. Personally I would prefer not having such a powerful mayor role, but if I had to give it to anyone, it would be proctat. And here is why he would not be anti town: a.)His goal is to kill assasins. This means that he will be going after the scum-esque people, since assasins and mafia will act at least noticably alike in this game, given that they are both hostile to town. At the very least he will be killing the anti town. b.) He will provide us will role checks. c.) HE WILL PROVIDE US WITH TWO CONFIRMED TOWNIES. Here is what I say: Proctat reveal who the two bodyguards are. Given that the OP says that two townies will be chosen, then we can have two confirmed townies. And obviously we know that the Assasins will be gunning for him. And Proctat is like "Wtf, I don't want to reveal my body guards." But this is the PANDAIN PLAN 1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them. Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him. Furthormore I announce my campaign for Why I should be pardoner: ![[image loading]](http://cci-inspection.com/cci/images/stories/detective.jpg) I'm a dt. There. Now you guys have to make me it or I diez.... By having such an important blue role be so safe, we can gurantee that I shall help you guys. And if I don't give a true role check, you guys can lynch me. Was this a douche move? Yes. Is it worth it for me? Also yes. | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign. 1) Ignore my post or minimalize it 2) Actively fight against it You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin. The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects. List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list
tnkted mig kitaman Kavdragon Wiggles Darmousseh Dropbear Robellicose Coagulation Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town. This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill. The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning. Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are: 1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways. 2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do. | ||
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