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United States23455 Posts
On February 23 2014 06:54 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 06:49 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:33 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:27 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:23 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 23 2014 06:22 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote:
It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always? I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras. loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too. Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry. I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps. Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran. Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that. Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes. you cant snipe probes
SEE? imba
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On February 23 2014 06:54 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 06:49 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:33 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:27 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:23 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 23 2014 06:22 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote:
It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always? I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras. loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too. Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry. I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps. Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran. Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that. Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes. you cant snipe probes
Not only that, it'd be dumb to snipe probes when ghosts can slaughter probes with just their regular attack.
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On February 23 2014 06:55 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 06:54 Paljas wrote:On February 23 2014 06:49 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:33 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:27 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:23 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 23 2014 06:22 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote:
It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always? I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras. loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too. Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry. I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps. Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran. Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that. Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes. you cant snipe probes SEE? imba
reported for balance whine
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your Country52798 Posts
On February 23 2014 06:52 The_Templar wrote:Lilbow spawns in the bottom BabyKnight spawns in the top
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BabyKnight scouting his main base.
Both players getting a gateway followed by two refineries.
Cybernetics core for both players.
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Sentry for Lilbow, being chronoboosted.
BabyKnight getting a stalker.
BabyKnight scouting the main of Lilbow.
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Mothership core for both players.
Both players getting a twilight council.
Second gateway for Lilbow.
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Both players putting probes on the right side of the map.
Both players getting blink.
BabyKnight getting two more gateways.
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On February 23 2014 06:55 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 06:54 Paljas wrote:On February 23 2014 06:49 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:33 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:27 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:23 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 23 2014 06:22 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote:
It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always? I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras. loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too. Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry. I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps. Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran. Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that. Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes. you cant snipe probes Not only that, it'd be dumb to snipe probes when ghosts can slaughter probes with just their regular attack.
dat range tho
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your Country52798 Posts
On February 23 2014 06:56 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 06:55 Darkhorse wrote:On February 23 2014 06:54 Paljas wrote:On February 23 2014 06:49 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:33 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:27 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:23 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 23 2014 06:22 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote:
It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always? I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras. loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too. Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry. I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps. Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran. Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that. Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes. you cant snipe probes SEE? imba reported for balance whine
Careful darkhoarse, people are after you now
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United States23455 Posts
On February 23 2014 06:56 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 06:55 Darkhorse wrote:On February 23 2014 06:54 Paljas wrote:On February 23 2014 06:49 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:33 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:27 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:23 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 23 2014 06:22 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote:
It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always? I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras. loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too. Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry. I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps. Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran. Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that. Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes. you cant snipe probes SEE? imba reported for balance whine
Wow the shoe is one the other table, which has turned.
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On February 23 2014 06:56 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 06:55 Darkhorse wrote:On February 23 2014 06:54 Paljas wrote:On February 23 2014 06:49 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:33 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:27 i.of.the.storm wrote:On February 23 2014 06:23 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 23 2014 06:22 vthree wrote:On February 23 2014 06:19 CriMsoN sc2 wrote:
It's kinda funny ForGG REFUSES to build any ghost even after he sees mass HTs and proceed to whine about Protoss... I mean what would happen if Protoss doesn't build any colossi and die to mass hydra every game and goes to say "this game is BROKEN" ...well people will just say NO UR JUST BAD DUH. But against Protoss, it's totally justified to complain about race always? I wish ghost hard counter HTs as much as colossi hard counters Hydras. loll so true... ghosts are useless once they are out of energy too. Eh... ghosts still do pretty decent damage, and they're more tanky than bio, it's just that they're too slow to retreat with properly so you get fucked if you try to pull back. Pound for pound, HT are just more effective than ghosts, and two landed storms are way more devastating than two landed EMPs, but it's not as cut and dry. I also feel like the maps really screw you sometimes, like on Polar Night defending as Terran you have no room to kite or split against storms, but at the same time if it's too open like Heavy Rain you get blunk. I dunno, I really think the #2 issue in TvP is maps (#1 being MSC making Protoss too safe pre-12 minutes), but I don't really know what you do to fix these maps. Another issue with ghosts is that if they join in mid battle, they are pretty useless since the zealots are already spread due to charge and they can't really get in range to EMP the HTs coming mid battle. But HTs that arrive mid battle can swing the tide or at least force a pull back from the Terran. Would be interesting to see them test out the old EMP radius. It was a big issue in WoL because Protoss defense was all about hitting FFs on their natural ramps. And the EMP radius made it too easy to EMP all the sentries with ghost rush. But P defense no longer really rely on that. Yeah, I wish blizzard would revisit some older nerfs instead of trying to change different things. Same with the snipe nerf really, it was stupid how it hard-countered all zerg T3, but now it's stupid that you can't even 1-shot probes. you cant snipe probes SEE? imba reported for balance whine
Dude, what? Did´nt you read his comments? I am the ONLY one allowed to report him, don´t steal him from me!
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Lilbow loses the coinflip o_O
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Pretty sure BBK killed one of his stalkers at the end there
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On February 23 2014 06:37 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 06:37 looken wrote:
WTF!? i had boyfriend duties, how did lilbow manage to defeat forGG!? :O The power of new foreigner hope
you had to jinx him didnt you!?
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your Country52798 Posts
On February 23 2014 06:56 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 06:52 The_Templar wrote:Lilbow spawns in the bottom BabyKnight spawns in the top 2:00 BabyKnight scouting his main base. Both players getting a gateway followed by two refineries. Cybernetics core for both players. 3:00 Sentry for Lilbow, being chronoboosted. BabyKnight getting a stalker. BabyKnight scouting the main of Lilbow. 4:00 Mothership core for both players. Both players getting a twilight council. Second gateway for Lilbow. 5:00 Both players putting probes on the right side of the map. Both players getting blink. BabyKnight getting two more gateways.
6:00  Lilbow 34 vs BabyKnight 34
Third gateway for Lilbow.
Both players getting a robotics facility.
BabyKnight being aggressive with 6 stalkers.
7:00 Lilbow 42 vs BabyKnight 42
Lilbow getting an immortal.
Lilbow loses a stalker to BabyKnight before blink is ready.
8:00 Lilbow 50 vs BabyKnight 48
BabyKnight backs off when Lilbow pushes him out.
Lilbow sitting in his own time warp.
9:00 Lilbow 58 vs BabyKnight 58
Lilbow moving out.
BabyKnight moving into the main.
Lilbow recalls.
BabyKnight kills the robotics facility.
10:00 Lilbow 47 vs BabyKnight 62
Lilbow getting a dark shrine.
BabyKnight expanding.
BabyKnight getting an immortal.
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Btw this just came in, I asked him on twitter  .
Really happy that it's international!
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United States23455 Posts
That's the right decision happy to see it.
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Yeah Lilbow can't win this. Good job BBK
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Lilbow vs. BBK's EPIC SHOWDOWN BATTLE gets interrupted with Kaelaris's PC crashing. -_-
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your Country52798 Posts
On February 23 2014 07:00 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2014 06:56 The_Templar wrote:On February 23 2014 06:52 The_Templar wrote:Lilbow spawns in the bottom BabyKnight spawns in the top 2:00 BabyKnight scouting his main base. Both players getting a gateway followed by two refineries. Cybernetics core for both players. 3:00 Sentry for Lilbow, being chronoboosted. BabyKnight getting a stalker. BabyKnight scouting the main of Lilbow. 4:00 Mothership core for both players. Both players getting a twilight council. Second gateway for Lilbow. 5:00 Both players putting probes on the right side of the map. Both players getting blink. BabyKnight getting two more gateways. 6:00 Lilbow 34 vs BabyKnight 34 Third gateway for Lilbow. Both players getting a robotics facility. BabyKnight being aggressive with 6 stalkers. 7:00 Lilbow 42 vs BabyKnight 42 Lilbow getting an immortal. Lilbow loses a stalker to BabyKnight before blink is ready. 8:00 Lilbow 50 vs BabyKnight 48 BabyKnight backs off when Lilbow pushes him out. Lilbow sitting in his own time warp. 9:00 Lilbow 58 vs BabyKnight 58 Lilbow moving out. BabyKnight moving into the main. Lilbow recalls. BabyKnight kills the robotics facility. 10:00 Lilbow 47 vs BabyKnight 62 Lilbow getting a dark shrine. BabyKnight expanding. BabyKnight getting an immortal.
11:00 Lilbow 64 vs BabyKnight 74
DTs being warped in.
DT going into the main base, where there is no detection.
Chronoboost on the robotics facility.
12:00 Lilbow 74 vs BabyKnight 72
Lilbow kills a lot of workers and then goes for an attack.
13:00 Lilbow 76 vs BabyKnight 86
Lilbow backs off.
BabyKnight gets a third immortal.
Photon overcharge is on the natural of BabyKnight.
14:00 Lilbow 86 vs BabyKnight 94
Lilbow moves into the natural of BabyKnight.
Kaelaris's computer crashes.
Anyway...
Lilbow blinks into the natural.
BabyKnight easily holds.
Lilbow GG's!
BabyKnight wins 2-1!
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