EPTAs opposed to just lynching who you think will flip scum, and then worrying about the other scum later. If we lynch scum day 1, town has a massive, massive advantage.
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
As opposed to just lynching who you think will flip scum, and then worrying about the other scum later. If we lynch scum day 1, town has a massive, massive advantage. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
The reason that I should not of been the one to start the other wagon is that even if I did and Xzav flips red, or the other wagon flips green, that gives me no information as to who the scumbuddies are and no be honest I don't think it would of given the town enough info either. If someone else had been more proactive in starting the counter wagon then it would of given better scum reading material. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On June 26 2013 10:44 hzflank wrote: It's not like Xzav is a hundred time less likely to be scum than others. Additionally, I did not want to put a lot of effort into creating the late counter-wagon because I was hoping that some other people would get moving with it. I tried to stimulate that conversation a few hours ago but no one moved on it. The reason that I should not of been the one to start the other wagon is that even if I did and Xzav flips red, or the other wagon flips green, that gives me no information as to who the scumbuddies are and no be honest I don't think it would of given the town enough info either. If someone else had been more proactive in starting the counter wagon then it would of given better scum reading material. Don't you have a townread on Xzav? You were defending him not too long ago. | ||
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
1) NN is useless and do more harm to town than good if left unclaimed. + Show Spoiler + This role is similar to a Miller in that it isn't useful for town at all, and could seriously backfire if they are watched/tracked/whatever by a townie. 2) There is no drawback for town from NN claim. + Show Spoiler + I don't see any downside to a Nosy Neighbour claiming, the worst case is that they play obvtown, get shot, and draw a shot away from actual town power roles. 3) Mafia can't fake claim NN later on if they are caught visiting later in the game. + Show Spoiler + The biggest reason a Nosy Neighbour should claim now is that it eliminates the possibility of a scum fake-claiming it later if he is caught shooting/using a PR on someone. I have no problem with proposing an idea and giving proper reasonings, however assuming certain things, contradicting logics, and planting a wrong idea to others, are things which I see as scum behaviors. First, he goes ahead and pronounce to the world that NN is useless. Furthermore, NN will harm town by confusing our blues. Sidestepping from the argument whether NN should claim or not, he plants an idea that NN is bad. It is town's goal to get as many advantages as possible from what we are given, not to eliminate certain role as useless right on. Second, he assumes that watcher or tracker will not be able to figure out who the mafia is. Think about it for a second. It is very rare that NN will visit the same target mafia will visit. Even if it is the case, it is two out of one. They can incorporate that information to their scumreads. Third, why would it be a good thing if NN get shot for playing good town. It would be good for mafia of course. Fourth, this is the most bothering thing. Mafia can't fake claim NN if they are caught visiting. How would we find out mafia was visiting? Unless tracker/watcher claims (not a good thing) telling the town that they saw it. Basically Also if there aren't more than 1 person visiting the victim, isn't it obvious that he is mafia regardless of what he says? Incorporating his later posts.. + Show Spoiler + That's certainly a possibility, but I think it's more important that we deny scum the opportunity to fakeclaim Nosy Neighbour later. + Show Spoiler + It's more likely that town (with two possible track/watch roles) will be misled by an unclaimed Nosy Neighbour than scum. I'd prefer to know that anyone claiming it later is scum than to have scum know that one particular person does not have a PR. Scum generally prioritize shooting strong townies over blue-sniping anyway, and if a claimed Nosy Neighbour (who is thus likely town) plays a strong towngame they are FAR more likely to be shot. His main concerning is trying to catch mafia fake claiming later BUT why the fuck do would you say it out so loud and clear so even the mafia can hear all our plan. Aquanim's so called "plan" could have worked if only town knew about it and agree to it but, hello, we are playing this game where we don't know who the mafia is. This bit is little nip picking but here he sounds like he himself is mafia now. + Show Spoiler + Scum generally prioritize shooting strong townies over blue-sniping anyway, and if a claimed Nosy Neighbour (who is thus likely town) plays a strong towngame they are FAR more likely to be shot. This one sums up why he is contradicting himself. + Show Spoiler + What. Just... what. If somebody claims Nosy Neighbour day 1, they aren't counterclaimed, and they aren't scummy, there is NO REASON to lynch them. If somebody is a Nosy Neighbour, they are MUCH MORE LIKELY to harm the town if the town doesn't know they are (likely to be) the Nosy Neighbour. Making scum claim Nosy Neighbour day one (which would be brave) or not at all is the optimal play. + Show Spoiler + Obviously, scum can claim Nosy Neighbour so whoever claims it isn't confirmed town by any means. So we don't lynch whoever claim NN Day1 but we are not sure whether he is town or mafia and a scum wouldn't fake claim Day1 unless he is brave but again whoever claimed or fake claimed NN Day1 is shouldn't be lynched unless he is suspicious? Can someone explain this to me.. But in all seriousness, Aquanim is just trying to somehow magically make it sound logical and get NN to claim Day1. THAT really looks like scum play. Convincing town to do what he wants without making sense. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aquanim's case and voting on Chromatically was both strange and suspicious as well. 1) If it was semi-serious case, then it went on longer than I should have. 2) If it was a serious case, it was way too weak without enough evidence. 3) If it was a pressure vote, then it did not accomplish anything useful. I would even say that it came down too easily. + Show Spoiler + Regarding scum Current scumread is Chromatically for two reasons. 1) I don't like the feel of his initial posts. Making troll-cases to get the game rolling is fine, I have no objection to that in as of itself, but there's a certain nit-picking quality to his posts that feels wrong to me. On June 24 2013 11:13 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + Well, it's hard to decide whether the "hey" part or the "everyone" part is scummier. Really a toss up. What could you possibly expect me to explain? You're taking this awfully seriously. Why did you take so long to reply if you were in the thread? Trying to read something into someone not posting for five minutes is ludicrous. 2) He's been doing a lot of asking other people for their reads while offering nothing even approaching one of his own. ##Vote: Chromatically Rather than guessing what was his purpose, I will save time by referring to one of his post. + Show Spoiler + tl;dr I had uneasy feelings about you but I feel a lot better after reading this post. My vote was fundamentally to draw reactions from you (to clarify my read) and other people, and to start some meaningful discussion (I don't think anything is accomplished in a thread until somebody's thrown down a vote). Go find some scum. ##Unvote So if he was pressuring voting, why did he take it off? You were satisfied with this? + Show Spoiler + Aqua, are you scum? Both of these things are towntells. Explain to me the scum motivation in getting discussion rolling early day 1, which was OBVIOUSLY the reason that I pressured Spicy (and it worked). Sorry, if you thought that it was "ludicrous", but it doesn't make me scum and you know it. If you wanted to know about someone, you could just asked me. I'm not just going to randomly post reads if I'm not going to push for their lynch, but I'll definitely tell you what I think of someone or who my scumreads are. Why wouldn't you ask me for my scumreads if you wanted them? Probably because that's not actually what you want at all. Someone else asked me for scumreads, and I posted mine right below your post, but you haven't reacted to that at all. Does this point still stand even after I've posted my scumreads? Or did your opinion not change at all for some reason? You also said: On June 24 2013 17:04 Aquanim wrote: This doesn't feel to me like the town Chromatic which I played with in Newbie XXXIII. Oh, this feels more like the scum Chromatic from XXXI? I am very, very uncomfortable with you, Aqua, because you are usually very town from your first post. This game, you've done a lot of shitting up the thread with stuff about claims and NNs. Furthermore, you didn't ask a scumread from Chromatically. He himself said that Aquanim should ask him if he wants to know. This seems as if Aquanim wanted, not something, but anything from Chromatically. And as soon as he gets a reply, comment oneliner to each of the paragraph, boom, vote comes off. Lastly, a small thing. "Go find some scum" would not be something I would say to someone I tried to pressure. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Next few posts are null. I will not try to make everything Aquanim said as my evidence. His response to hzflank's case was actually very town like, I will admit. He explain his action and nothing more. He did not try to defend Chromatically or anything. + Show Spoiler + I've tried to pull out the parts of hzflank's case which are primarily about me. Aquanim hopes that he can get a few town to agree that the NN should out themselves. Then his scumbuddies can also agree and the NN might claim, giving an advantage to the scum team. Since Hurricane did not get a hard time, Aquanim does not think that he will be lynched for being the first to make the suggestion. Aquanim is fairly sure that when the time comes he can rely on Hurricanes vote for NN to claim, so he really only needs two more town votes, which makes it worth a try. Has it even crossed your mind that I might think I'm right about the Nosy Neighbour? The rest of the case on me is primarily related to the nature of my case on Chromatically. Remember that when I made that case it was (by a long way) the first vote of the game - nobody had any significant cases at that time. I took my case more seriously (despite its flimsiness, which I admit) because in my experience a game of Mafia only starts to progress significantly when somebody has put down a vote and is pushing, in some way, for a lynch. The reason why I backed off my case so fast is because I'd previously had only vague feelings that Chromatically was scum, and his replying post felt a lot like aggrieved town to me. You can come up with convoluted reasons as to why I would ask people about their opinions on my case, or you can accept the simpler and correct explanation that I wanted to draw reactions and make other players express their ideas and thinking about the game, which is a strong tool for finding scum. But he does not explain what exactly he got out of his pressure vote. What about Chromatically's response was appropriate and what desired response did he get from other players. Next few posts.. (getting real tired of referring..) + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2013 11:00 Aquanim wrote: Is there anything in particular that makes you want to lynch Xzavier over Onegu? Their posting to date seems to be of a similar character to me, except that Onegu has been in the thread while interesting things have happened and still hasn't contributed much. On June 25 2013 11:44 Aquanim wrote: I'd prefer to see Xzavier's reply before I comment on either of these in detail. I don't see any reason to believe he's town from his posts so far, though. On June 25 2013 12:36 Aquanim wrote: I'm not interested in lynching any of those three today, if that's what you're asking. I can see the thought process of all three and I can easily see all of it coming from a town mindset, even if I don't agree with a lot of it. My current suspicions lie with Onegu and Xzavier, since they have posted a fair bit but actually said little to nothing of value. On June 25 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote: I have to admit I've been having trouble understanding what Alakaslam has said so far... but I'm having difficulty seeing his thing about "spamming up the thread with bad bbcode -> scum" (link) coming from a scum player. It just feels too... enthusiastic. I get the overall impression that he is trying. I'd love to see more from him but I'd prefer to lynch Xzavier or Onegu at this point. (A quick note: LoneMeow did say pregame that he would be on vacation until the 27th, so I'm inclined not to lynch him today.) Maybe it's just me but it sounds to me as if he is trying to find a lynch target rather than an actual scum. He keeping going on about how Onegu and Xzavier haven't contributed to the scum that he himself hasn't really contributed either. All he did was pressure vote Chromatically for a little and backed off. Nothing more. Also he seems not concerned about lurkers at all (me, yeah..). Finally he puts his vote on Xzavier, because Xzavier made the first move. It is more of a response like, "uhh, I'm torn between Onegu and Xzavier. What?! You bit me, Xzavier? Alright, bring it!" (exaggerated, I know). Some more bullshitting after that.. It is an irony that his so called case on Xzavier apply to himself. + Show Spoiler + 1) some useless talk in the first 12 hours 2) a vote on me with poor justification 3) some unconvincing defence 1) Aquanim really haven't said much after first 12 hours. 2) A vote on Xzavier with poor justification. 3) Aquanim's unconvincing defence. Conclusion: My vote is on Aquanim for now. To me he seems to be a frustrated little man who is trying to make it sound as other people are not making sense while he himself is not really making much sense. His NN policy definitely smell like mafia. Lastly, why are you trying to choose lynch targets rather than putting out a solid case on someone and back that up with evidence and analysis rather than just general "not contributing" or "not making sense." Quote and point towards exactly where is scum rather than tied down by lynch. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On June 26 2013 10:46 Chromatically wrote: Don't you have a townread on Xzav? You were defending him not too long ago. It's gradually deteriorated. His latest posts did nothing to help him, and in fact he made one really scummy post recently. On June 26 2013 08:57 Xzavier wrote: Relax ill flip green. i think the reason there wasnt a scum counterplay id s because scum took iniative. Hen town hopped on boaredm since it looks like im pretty dead. Can somebody explain to me why im scum! Lol. Either he is scum or he is not even trying to win. | ||
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geript
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![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l37878b2dh1qa4i6p.jpg) Chromatically (0): hzflank (0): FirmTofu (0): Spicydinosaur (0): Xzavier (7): LoneMeow, Chromatically, Aquanim, FirmTofu, Hurricane Sponge, hzflank, Alakaslam Aquanim (2): Alakaslam (1): Onegu Hurricane Sponge (1): Spicydinosaur StiMaDDict (0): Not Voting: Xzavier the High School Student -- Vanilla Town has been stomped to death. His last words were, "Save the town power rangers. Combine the zords to make the megaultradragonzord and do karate type stuff with it. Let my death be a beacon of hope to all the AAAAAAaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhahgggaaghghhhhghhahghgagagghaghhaghg." fyfy the High School Student -- Vanilla Town didn't look both ways when crossing the street and got crushed by the megaultradragonzord as it stopped at starbucks to get a cup of coffee. Power Rangers always need coffee to be able to do their stunts. Night 1 actions must be sent in by [unparsable timestamp format] Night 1 ends in [unparsable timestamp format] | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
hz looks pretty town despite his wierd logic because there's really no reason for scum to draw suspicion to themselves by switching that late as the lynch was already secure. Same thing for Alaka, less confident on that. | ||
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
I didn't even fucking finished writing everything.. @Chromatically: Dude, calm down. Why are you going around asking everyone what their read is on you? I'm not just going to give you my gut feel or a couple of short paragraphs pretending I know who you are. I would rather post something that is of some substance with proper analysis. To put it simply, I refuse your request. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On June 26 2013 11:04 StiMaDDict wrote: God damn it, I I didn't even fucking finished writing everything.. @Chromatically: Dude, calm down. Why are you going around asking everyone what their read is on you? I'm not just going to give you my gut feel or a couple of short paragraphs pretending I know who you are. I would rather post something that is of some substance with proper analysis. To put it simply, I refuse your request. You have no idea at all of whether I'm town? There's no reason not to say that, it just gives town more information. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On June 26 2013 10:49 StiMaDDict wrote: Early in the game concerning NN, Aquanim favored NN claiming. His reasonings were: 1) NN is useless and do more harm to town than good if left unclaimed. + Show Spoiler + This role is similar to a Miller in that it isn't useful for town at all, and could seriously backfire if they are watched/tracked/whatever by a townie. 2) There is no drawback for town from NN claim. + Show Spoiler + I don't see any downside to a Nosy Neighbour claiming, the worst case is that they play obvtown, get shot, and draw a shot away from actual town power roles. 3) Mafia can't fake claim NN later on if they are caught visiting later in the game. + Show Spoiler + The biggest reason a Nosy Neighbour should claim now is that it eliminates the possibility of a scum fake-claiming it later if he is caught shooting/using a PR on someone. I have no problem with proposing an idea and giving proper reasonings, however assuming certain things, contradicting logics, and planting a wrong idea to others, are things which I see as scum behaviors. First, he goes ahead and pronounce to the world that NN is useless. Furthermore, NN will harm town by confusing our blues. Sidestepping from the argument whether NN should claim or not, he plants an idea that NN is bad. It is town's goal to get as many advantages as possible from what we are given, not to eliminate certain role as useless right on. ...Please explain to me how town can make sure of getting any kind of advantage out of the Nosy Neighbour role. Second, he assumes that watcher or tracker will not be able to figure out who the mafia is. Think about it for a second. It is very rare that NN will visit the same target mafia will visit. Even if it is the case, it is two out of one. They can incorporate that information to their scumreads. Mafia has power roles besides their nightkill, and one of them could conceivably be used on just about anyone. If a mafia power role is seen visiting someone, I'd prefer for them to have to claim a town PR and justify all of their actions than to claim NN and say "Welp I have no idea who I visited". Third, why would it be a good thing if NN get shot for playing good town. It would be good for mafia of course. SOMEBODY is going to get shot for playing good town. I'd prefer to take the Nosy Neighbour out of the game entirely if possible. Fourth, this is the most bothering thing. Mafia can't fake claim NN if they are caught visiting. How would we find out mafia was visiting? Unless tracker/watcher claims (not a good thing) telling the town that they saw it. Basically At some point the tracker/watcher (if one exists) will either claim, or die (revealing their role) and (hopefully) leave breadcrumbs which will allow us to work out what they saw. Are you seriously saying that these roles will never be useful to the town? If so, what is the point of the roles at all? Also if there aren't more than 1 person visiting the victim, isn't it obvious that he is mafia regardless of what he says? Again, other mafia power roles. Also you're only considering the watcher. Incorporating his later posts.. + Show Spoiler + That's certainly a possibility, but I think it's more important that we deny scum the opportunity to fakeclaim Nosy Neighbour later. + Show Spoiler + It's more likely that town (with two possible track/watch roles) will be misled by an unclaimed Nosy Neighbour than scum. I'd prefer to know that anyone claiming it later is scum than to have scum know that one particular person does not have a PR. Scum generally prioritize shooting strong townies over blue-sniping anyway, and if a claimed Nosy Neighbour (who is thus likely town) plays a strong towngame they are FAR more likely to be shot. His main concerning is trying to catch mafia fake claiming later BUT why the fuck do would you say it out so loud and clear so even the mafia can hear all our plan. Aquanim's so called "plan" could have worked if only town knew about it and agree to it but, hello, we are playing this game where we don't know who the mafia is. If mafia know about the plan then they won't claim NN and by extension will HAVE to claim something else, which I would prefer (see above). This bit is little nip picking but here he sounds like he himself is mafia now. + Show Spoiler + Scum generally prioritize shooting strong townies over blue-sniping anyway, and if a claimed Nosy Neighbour (who is thus likely town) plays a strong towngame they are FAR more likely to be shot. This one sums up why he is contradicting himself. + Show Spoiler + What. Just... what. If somebody claims Nosy Neighbour day 1, they aren't counterclaimed, and they aren't scummy, there is NO REASON to lynch them. If somebody is a Nosy Neighbour, they are MUCH MORE LIKELY to harm the town if the town doesn't know they are (likely to be) the Nosy Neighbour. Making scum claim Nosy Neighbour day one (which would be brave) or not at all is the optimal play. + Show Spoiler + Obviously, scum can claim Nosy Neighbour so whoever claims it isn't confirmed town by any means. So we don't lynch whoever claim NN Day1 but we are not sure whether he is town or mafia and a scum wouldn't fake claim Day1 unless he is brave but again whoever claimed or fake claimed NN Day1 is shouldn't be lynched unless he is suspicious? Can someone explain this to me.. But in all seriousness, Aquanim is just trying to somehow magically make it sound logical and get NN to claim Day1. THAT really looks like scum play. Convincing town to do what he wants without making sense. The point is that we can't automatically assume a claimed Nosy Neighbour is town, but they are likely (not certain) to be town. Aquanim's case and voting on Chromatically was both strange and suspicious as well. 1) If it was semi-serious case, then it went on longer than I should have. 2) If it was a serious case, it was way too weak without enough evidence. 3) If it was a pressure vote, then it did not accomplish anything useful. I would even say that it came down too easily. + Show Spoiler + Regarding scum Current scumread is Chromatically for two reasons. 1) I don't like the feel of his initial posts. Making troll-cases to get the game rolling is fine, I have no objection to that in as of itself, but there's a certain nit-picking quality to his posts that feels wrong to me. On June 24 2013 11:13 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + Well, it's hard to decide whether the "hey" part or the "everyone" part is scummier. Really a toss up. What could you possibly expect me to explain? You're taking this awfully seriously. Why did you take so long to reply if you were in the thread? Trying to read something into someone not posting for five minutes is ludicrous. 2) He's been doing a lot of asking other people for their reads while offering nothing even approaching one of his own. ##Vote: Chromatically Rather than guessing what was his purpose, I will save time by referring to one of his post. + Show Spoiler + tl;dr I had uneasy feelings about you but I feel a lot better after reading this post. My vote was fundamentally to draw reactions from you (to clarify my read) and other people, and to start some meaningful discussion (I don't think anything is accomplished in a thread until somebody's thrown down a vote). Go find some scum. ##Unvote So if he was pressuring voting, why did he take it off? You were satisfied with this? + Show Spoiler + Aqua, are you scum? Both of these things are towntells. Explain to me the scum motivation in getting discussion rolling early day 1, which was OBVIOUSLY the reason that I pressured Spicy (and it worked). Sorry, if you thought that it was "ludicrous", but it doesn't make me scum and you know it. If you wanted to know about someone, you could just asked me. I'm not just going to randomly post reads if I'm not going to push for their lynch, but I'll definitely tell you what I think of someone or who my scumreads are. Why wouldn't you ask me for my scumreads if you wanted them? Probably because that's not actually what you want at all. Someone else asked me for scumreads, and I posted mine right below your post, but you haven't reacted to that at all. Does this point still stand even after I've posted my scumreads? Or did your opinion not change at all for some reason? You also said: On June 24 2013 17:04 Aquanim wrote: This doesn't feel to me like the town Chromatic which I played with in Newbie XXXIII. Oh, this feels more like the scum Chromatic from XXXI? I am very, very uncomfortable with you, Aqua, because you are usually very town from your first post. This game, you've done a lot of shitting up the thread with stuff about claims and NNs. Furthermore, you didn't ask a scumread from Chromatically. He himself said that Aquanim should ask him if he wants to know. This seems as if Aquanim wanted, not something, but anything from Chromatically. And as soon as he gets a reply, comment oneliner to each of the paragraph, boom, vote comes off. Lastly, a small thing. "Go find some scum" would not be something I would say to someone I tried to pressure. The goal of my vote for Chromatically was to get a reaction from him (which I did, and I read him after that reaction and now as town) and to start people thinking seriously about a lynch, and I think I accomplished both of those goals. Next few posts are null. I will not try to make everything Aquanim said as my evidence. His response to hzflank's case was actually very town like, I will admit. He explain his action and nothing more. He did not try to defend Chromatically or anything. + Show Spoiler + I've tried to pull out the parts of hzflank's case which are primarily about me. Aquanim hopes that he can get a few town to agree that the NN should out themselves. Then his scumbuddies can also agree and the NN might claim, giving an advantage to the scum team. Since Hurricane did not get a hard time, Aquanim does not think that he will be lynched for being the first to make the suggestion. Aquanim is fairly sure that when the time comes he can rely on Hurricanes vote for NN to claim, so he really only needs two more town votes, which makes it worth a try. Has it even crossed your mind that I might think I'm right about the Nosy Neighbour? The rest of the case on me is primarily related to the nature of my case on Chromatically. Remember that when I made that case it was (by a long way) the first vote of the game - nobody had any significant cases at that time. I took my case more seriously (despite its flimsiness, which I admit) because in my experience a game of Mafia only starts to progress significantly when somebody has put down a vote and is pushing, in some way, for a lynch. The reason why I backed off my case so fast is because I'd previously had only vague feelings that Chromatically was scum, and his replying post felt a lot like aggrieved town to me. You can come up with convoluted reasons as to why I would ask people about their opinions on my case, or you can accept the simpler and correct explanation that I wanted to draw reactions and make other players express their ideas and thinking about the game, which is a strong tool for finding scum. But he does not explain what exactly he got out of his pressure vote. What about Chromatically's response was appropriate and what desired response did he get from other players. Next few posts.. (getting real tired of referring..) + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2013 11:00 Aquanim wrote: Is there anything in particular that makes you want to lynch Xzavier over Onegu? Their posting to date seems to be of a similar character to me, except that Onegu has been in the thread while interesting things have happened and still hasn't contributed much. On June 25 2013 11:44 Aquanim wrote: I'd prefer to see Xzavier's reply before I comment on either of these in detail. I don't see any reason to believe he's town from his posts so far, though. On June 25 2013 12:36 Aquanim wrote: I'm not interested in lynching any of those three today, if that's what you're asking. I can see the thought process of all three and I can easily see all of it coming from a town mindset, even if I don't agree with a lot of it. My current suspicions lie with Onegu and Xzavier, since they have posted a fair bit but actually said little to nothing of value. On June 25 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote: I have to admit I've been having trouble understanding what Alakaslam has said so far... but I'm having difficulty seeing his thing about "spamming up the thread with bad bbcode -> scum" (link) coming from a scum player. It just feels too... enthusiastic. I get the overall impression that he is trying. I'd love to see more from him but I'd prefer to lynch Xzavier or Onegu at this point. (A quick note: LoneMeow did say pregame that he would be on vacation until the 27th, so I'm inclined not to lynch him today.) Maybe it's just me but it sounds to me as if he is trying to find a lynch target rather than an actual scum. He keeping going on about how Onegu and Xzavier haven't contributed to the scum that he himself hasn't really contributed either. All he did was pressure vote Chromatically for a little and backed off. Nothing more. Also he seems not concerned about lurkers at all (me, yeah..). Finally he puts his vote on Xzavier, because Xzavier made the first move. It is more of a response like, "uhh, I'm torn between Onegu and Xzavier. What?! You bit me, Xzavier? Alright, bring it!" (exaggerated, I know). Some more bullshitting after that.. It is an irony that his so called case on Xzavier apply to himself. Do you seriously think my case on Xzavier applies to me as well? I've been looking for more information the entire day while Xzavier went "oh woe is me". + Show Spoiler + 1) some useless talk in the first 12 hours 2) a vote on me with poor justification 3) some unconvincing defence 1) Aquanim really haven't said much after first 12 hours. 2) A vote on Xzavier with poor justification. 3) Aquanim's unconvincing defence. Conclusion: My vote is on Aquanim for now. To me he seems to be a frustrated little man who is trying to make it sound as other people are not making sense while he himself is not really making much sense. His NN policy definitely smell like mafia. Lastly, why are you trying to choose lynch targets rather than putting out a solid case on someone and back that up with evidence and analysis rather than just general "not contributing" or "not making sense." Quote and point towards exactly where is scum rather than tied down by lynch. Not contributing at all to looking for scum IS a scumtell. I've posted plenty of analysis and evidence and you're simply blind to it. Your case is piss-weak and mostly a repetition of what little has been said before. I'm not impressed. | ||
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Well, a double townie flip is distinctly less than good, but Xzavier being green still tells us a lot. Obviously I'm the only one who knows certainly that I am town, but from my perspective (seeing this as a double-townie-wagon kind of day) I doubt scum took a hugely active role on Xzavier's wagon or on mine. | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
That and calling everybody fucking retarded gets you killed. I got alot to ask in the obs qt. Gg all stll. was fun. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
@Spicy Do you feel like elaborating on your thoughts about Aqua now, or are they no longer relevant / valid? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
unless I'm so scummy people feel I'm a dead man posting X_X Your filter is only a page long. I'll admit mine is mostly fluff, but it's still 3 pages. What have you done to aid town? A bandwagon and a retraction on that bandwagon, and this attack on Aquanim. Defense youselfs you, you! You are scumread of the nooob until you do. And while you're at it, make a REAL case that isn't based on the first 12 pages of the thread. That discussion about nn was so useless and nobody was stupid enough to claim so I'm going to find whoever started it, and see if they strike me as scummy in their filter. OH YEAH- you brought it up again. That is a little scummy too, hmm... Of course I'm more scummy than you so whatever, take it or leave it folks. Though the POWA of the FILTA has EMPOWAHD ME!!!! Still, watch for orange folks! + Show Spoiler + oh, uh, and maybe RED. Duh. . .  ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mOHGjne.jpg) Reason to watch for orange as well as red: By the way. As this diagram, though great, has been seen enough here, I'm done reposting it. Also because I'm recommending almost exactly the opposite of what it says.  to blazinghandOn June 26 2013 09:40 Alakaslam wrote: Let us see this diagram again. People will see this and have different takeaways. I had a noobish and asinine take on it, but what take will a savvy scum player have? Scum wants to survive. If you are ignored (as I am being temporarily, or was anyway) you don't get lynched now do you...  | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
Except just a few posts earlier, he says that he has a null read on Xzav and a scum read on Aqua: On June 26 2013 02:19 Onegu wrote: To be honest I dont care who is killed if Xzavier flips town my vote will go on aquanim and if he flips scum I will vote Spicydinosaur. My current read on Xzavier is null with scum reads on alakaslam and aqua. With every post Alakaslam makes he looks more and more like noob scum to me. So he doesn't care about the lynch, even though he thinks that Aqua is scummier. Why wouldn't he vote Aqua, and why doesn't a townie care about the lynch in the first place? If Onegu was scum, however, he wouldn't care whether Aqua or Xzav are lynched as he knows that they're both town. He also wouldn't want to have his vote on one of them when they flipped because it would draw suspicion to himself. Side note: this works just as well if Aqua is scum. Onegu wouldn't want to vote Aqua because they're scumbuddies and doesn't want to be on the mislynch wagon. Thoughts? | ||
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