EPTs because scum took iniative. Hen town hopped on boaredm since it looks like im pretty dead. Can somebody explain to me why im scum! Lol.
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
s because scum took iniative. Hen town hopped on boaredm since it looks like im pretty dead. Can somebody explain to me why im scum! Lol. | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On the other hand you flipping red would be fantastic, as it eliminates one scum and makes 3 people almost certainly town. There's such a big gap between you flipping red and green. | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
I will say this: i firmly believe firmtofu is town. :D no really iv gotten that vibe. not all that strong. HZ flank also stfikes me as town. or hes playing the riskiest scum gambet. but all he would be gaining is a little towncred. so in pretty confident hes town. Heres list of people to look ibto: lonemeow. aqua. alakazam. Chromatically. Because they hav tunneled me and ignored logic and focused on tgeir silly probably purposely bad logic. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
My opinion on the StiMaDDict wagon: His play hasn't helped town at all so far, but the sheer volume (or lack of it) of his filter makes it difficult to establish a solid read on him. He could be scum, but he could also just be lazy/busy/trolly town, it's too early to tell. In any case, it is possible to establish a much better read on Xzavier. I'm far more confident on my scumread of him than on StiMaDDict. In addition, knowing Xzavier's alignment for certain tells us a LOT about what's happened today. Knowing StiMaDDict's alignment would tell us next to nothing. + Show Spoiler [An aside] + On June 25 2013 15:29 Xzavier wrote: Honestly not today. he did a really good jpb as town last game and gave some good insights. After going threw his filter it seems like he was forced into a defensive posting pattern due to pressure. he hasnt said much recently. Honestly i wouldnt mind lynching alakazam day 1. But ill giv him a chance to respond. Im really not liking chrom or auqa for their tunnelling me while ignoring logic and basing everything off of the fact that i havnt caught scum yet or made a case. On June 26 2013 03:50 Xzavier wrote: I dont get why aqua and chrome are voting somebody they know can be a good town. I havnt made huge cases yet, i havnt had time to. ill be active during night one if im still aliv. I would prefer to delay my lynch until day2. today id like a lynch on alakazam or aqua. idc which. ill probably choose between the two on my break fepending on the situation. IF I DO GET LYNCHED: everybody take a long hard look at aqua and chrom. and look at alakazam now he lurks and one of his few posts was saying im sheeping and doing no scumhunting this game until the guy im sheeping looks scummy. the godfather last game i was in said something almost identical to that. its a pretty big noob scum tell imo. alone it judt warrents serious investifagation. There's a pattern here of wanting not to lynch people based on their strong play in previous games... which has absolutely no relevance to this game. Could be a side-effect of him not having time to read this thread properly, but not wanting to commit to anything relevant to this game is characteristic of scum. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
And if you put your vote on someone random, and then don't push their lynch at all, you are wasting your vote. | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
I was saying that because your entire scumread is based on my previous game. Everybody read his filter and then that post please. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417692¤tpage=25#495 I don't see how that's at all "silly probably purposefully bad logic". | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:07 Xzavier wrote: Unfortunately. im going to dissapoint you by flipping green. I will say this: i firmly believe firmtofu is town. :D no really iv gotten that vibe. not all that strong. HZ flank also stfikes me as town. or hes playing the riskiest scum gambet. but all he would be gaining is a little towncred. so in pretty confident hes town. Heres list of people to look ibto: lonemeow. aqua. alakazam. Chromatically. Because they hav tunneled me and ignored logic and focused on tgeir silly probably purposely bad logic. Do you seriously not understand why we are voting for you? I think you're scum because you have contributed nothing original in terms of scumhunting to the thread, just poking weak fingers of suspicion at whoever else happens to be suspected by other people at the time. Explain to me what about this is "silly probably purposely bad logic". Martyring defences do not impress me. I don't expect you to make a good contribution, I expected you to make a contribution, and I just haven't seen one. | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
It might also be lonemeow. but thats less likely. | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:15 Aquanim wrote: Do you seriously not understand why we are voting for you? I think you're scum because you have contributed nothing original in terms of scumhunting to the thread, just poking weak fingers of suspicion at whoever else happens to be suspected by other people at the time. Explain to me what about this is "silly probably purposely bad logic". Martyring defences do not impress me. I don't expect you to make a good contribution, I expected you to make a contribution, and I just haven't seen one. Im not the only one who hasnt contributed amything. jesus fuck. My lunch is over. i hopefully will hav a break just before ten. might not tho. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:12 Xzavier wrote: Aqua. holy motherfucking shit your lucky i cant quote right now. I was saying that because your entire scumread is based on my previous game. Everybody read his filter and then that post please. On June 25 2013 14:19 Aquanim wrote: Like I said, I don't really know your meta and it's not relevant to my read. Are you serious? | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
If we were to do some voteswitch shennanies, I assume that you'd want to switch to Onegu? | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:11 Chromatically wrote: Spicy and hz, did you read my case? It didn't convince you at all? And if you put your vote on someone random, and then don't push their lynch at all, you are wasting your vote. I read it and wasnt convinced. I had spent most of my time after the case posted defending my defense of Xzavier and then had work. I did update the case based off of his then vote on stim. No one else has commented on my case and 1/2 the thread thinks im scum for defending xzavier so theres nothing i can do at this point. I'd like your comment on my case. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:19 Chromatically wrote: I also like the part where he said that I was letting you do all of the posting. If we were to do some voteswitch shennanies, I assume that you'd want to switch to Onegu? Not any more. I'd prefer to let him post for another day and improve my read on him, I can still believe his play from town or from scum at this point. If we absolutely had to switch, I'd say Alakaslam or StiMaDDict, but they would basically be policy lynches for me. I don't think this thread is going to progress much until Xzavier flips though, so I'm very much opposed to shenanigans at this point. Let's face it, if we don't lynch him today, we'll spend tomorrow deciding whether to lynch him too. I'd prefer to move on. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
Your case only looks at his early posting, but look at his recent posting, because that's where the towniness is. When I said "my case on Xzav", I meant this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417692¤tpage=25#495 Has everyone read this? I'm getting the feeling that it was missed. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On June 26 2013 08:57 Xzavier wrote: Relax ill flip green. i think the reason there wasnt a scum counterplay id s because scum took iniative. Hen town hopped on boaredm since it looks like im pretty dead. Can somebody explain to me why im scum! Lol. Well I think your town by your filter, so that is how you get my vote off your back. Unfortunately, the strong scum read on me will make this only reinforce the case against you to some. Still have to read other people's, glancing at phone when not busy. Really sorry about being so useless. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:24 Aquanim wrote: Not any more. I'd prefer to let him post for another day and improve my read on him, I can still believe his play from town or from scum at this point. If we absolutely had to switch, I'd say Alakaslam or StiMaDDict, but they would basically be policy lynches for me. I don't think this thread is going to progress much until Xzavier flips though, so I'm very much opposed to shenanigans at this point. Let's face it, if we don't lynch him today, we'll spend tomorrow deciding whether to lynch him too. I'd prefer to move on. That's a good point about "moving on" thread-wise that I hadn't thought of. I wasn't really seriously considering switching, just thinking about what would be possible if I had a sudden mind change. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:08 Aquanim wrote: Hiya all. My opinion on the StiMaDDict wagon: His play hasn't helped town at all so far, but the sheer volume (or lack of it) of his filter makes it difficult to establish a solid read on him. He could be scum, but he could also just be lazy/busy/trolly town, it's too early to tell. In any case, it is possible to establish a much better read on Xzavier. I'm far more confident on my scumread of him than on StiMaDDict. In addition, knowing Xzavier's alignment for certain tells us a LOT about what's happened today. Knowing StiMaDDict's alignment would tell us next to nothing. + Show Spoiler [An aside] + On June 25 2013 15:29 Xzavier wrote: Honestly not today. he did a really good jpb as town last game and gave some good insights. After going threw his filter it seems like he was forced into a defensive posting pattern due to pressure. he hasnt said much recently. Honestly i wouldnt mind lynching alakazam day 1. But ill giv him a chance to respond. Im really not liking chrom or auqa for their tunnelling me while ignoring logic and basing everything off of the fact that i havnt caught scum yet or made a case. On June 26 2013 03:50 Xzavier wrote: I dont get why aqua and chrome are voting somebody they know can be a good town. I havnt made huge cases yet, i havnt had time to. ill be active during night one if im still aliv. I would prefer to delay my lynch until day2. today id like a lynch on alakazam or aqua. idc which. ill probably choose between the two on my break fepending on the situation. IF I DO GET LYNCHED: everybody take a long hard look at aqua and chrom. and look at alakazam now he lurks and one of his few posts was saying im sheeping and doing no scumhunting this game until the guy im sheeping looks scummy. the godfather last game i was in said something almost identical to that. its a pretty big noob scum tell imo. alone it judt warrents serious investifagation. There's a pattern here of wanting not to lynch people based on their strong play in previous games... which has absolutely no relevance to this game. Could be a side-effect of him not having time to read this thread properly, but not wanting to commit to anything relevant to this game is characteristic of scum. Actually I agree. I have been doing some more thinking. If Stim flips green: Nothing If Stim flips red: Aqua is town If Xzavier flips green: Lots of little bits, but nothing concrete If Xzavier Flips red: Chrom, LoneMeow and Hurricane are town. Tofu is very likely town. Additionally, if Xzavier flips red it might be possible to use town roles to just straight up win the game by day 3 or 4. You only need to look at 4 people: if role x exists use on person A, lynch person C, etc. Therefore, there is more to gain by lynching Xzavier than Stim. On June 26 2013 08:57 Xzavier wrote: Relax ill flip green. i think the reason there wasnt a scum counterplay id s because scum took iniative. Hen town hopped on boaredm since it looks like im pretty dead. Can somebody explain to me why im scum! Lol. This is not a defense. If you think that LoneMeow's vote on you makes him scum then you have not been following the game closely enough. I did my best to give you a chance to defend yourself, but you just haven't produced anything, and your attackers are making good points. Sorry for moving me vote 4 times :/ ##Unvote: StimAddict ##Vote: Xzavier | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On June 26 2013 09:24 Aquanim wrote: Not any more. I'd prefer to let him post for another day and improve my read on him, I can still believe his play from town or from scum at this point. If we absolutely had to switch, I'd say Alakaslam or StiMaDDict, but they would basically be policy lynches for me. I don't think this thread is going to progress much until Xzavier flips though, so I'm very much opposed to shenanigans at this point. Let's face it, if we don't lynch him today, we'll spend tomorrow deciding whether to lynch him too. I'd prefer to move on. Bolded. Thank you for this Aquanim, I think it has opened my eyes to something possible. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mOHGjne.jpg) Let us see this diagram again. People will see this and have different takeaways. I had a noobish and asinine take on it, but what take will a savvy scum player have? Scum wants to survive. If you are ignored (as I am being temporarily, or was anyway) you don't get lynched now do you...  Disclaimer: Back to filters, I have no read on Onegu and this is not an accusation- yet. I am prone to mood swings though it seems! | ||
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