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On June 26 2013 09:11 Chromatically wrote:
Spicy and hz, did you read my case? It didn't convince you at all?
And if you put your vote on someone random, and then don't push their lynch at all, you are wasting your vote.
I read it and it did not convince me. I will respect your time and go back to read it again though. Currently I have read some parts of the thread many times but other parts only once or twice.
I put my vote on someone who I thought more scummy than Xzavier. I still think that, but you can see above what my reasons for now voting Xzavier are.
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On June 26 2013 09:27 Chromatically wrote:Your case on Sponge? I have Sponge (and you) as strong town. I didn't much like Sponge's early game policy stuff either, but his recent posting is really townie. Look at page 2-3 of his filter particularly. He's freely offering opinions, posting a lot, interacting with others in a very townie way. Your case only looks at his early posting, but look at his recent posting, because that's where the towniness is. When I said "my case on Xzav", I meant this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417692¤tpage=25#495Has everyone read this?I'm getting the feeling that it was missed.
I dont like the vote for the lurker as it seemed an easy cop out. Then his switch to xzavier doesnt help as i think xzavier isnt scum. He has picked up commenting about cases a lot more, but that's to be expected when accused. There was a huge shift in his play style before and after my vote on him. Perhaps he became more active to push the mislynch? I honestly dont know but looking at his filter it just feels scummy.
And your new case didnt really add anything new, just commented on xzaviers posts. At this point xzavier is going to be lynched barring some big last minute vote switches.
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On June 26 2013 09:49 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 09:27 Chromatically wrote:Your case on Sponge? I have Sponge (and you) as strong town. I didn't much like Sponge's early game policy stuff either, but his recent posting is really townie. Look at page 2-3 of his filter particularly. He's freely offering opinions, posting a lot, interacting with others in a very townie way. Your case only looks at his early posting, but look at his recent posting, because that's where the towniness is. When I said "my case on Xzav", I meant this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417692¤tpage=25#495Has everyone read this?I'm getting the feeling that it was missed. I dont like the vote for the lurker as it seemed an easy cop out. Then his switch to xzavier doesnt help as i think xzavier isnt scum. He has picked up commenting about cases a lot more, but that's to be expected when accused. There was a huge shift in his play style before and after my vote on him. Perhaps he became more active to push the mislynch? I honestly dont know but looking at his filter it just feels scummy. And your new case didnt really add anything new, just commented on xzaviers posts. At this point xzavier is going to be lynched barring some big last minute vote switches.
For the record my 'huge shift in playstyle' had nothing to do with you. I was unable to post yesterday, and I am East Coast, so I posted my big case as soon as I woke up. It is unfortunate timing, but if you look at the time stamps, you'll see you had nothing to do with my posting. In addition, as I'm not going to be lynched today, barring a mafia NK on me, you'll see that I will maintain this level of activity for the rest of the game. Keep an open mind to new information, my friend. A tunnel is a terrible thing to waste.
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On June 26 2013 09:49 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 09:27 Chromatically wrote:Your case on Sponge? I have Sponge (and you) as strong town. I didn't much like Sponge's early game policy stuff either, but his recent posting is really townie. Look at page 2-3 of his filter particularly. He's freely offering opinions, posting a lot, interacting with others in a very townie way. Your case only looks at his early posting, but look at his recent posting, because that's where the towniness is. When I said "my case on Xzav", I meant this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417692¤tpage=25#495Has everyone read this?I'm getting the feeling that it was missed. I dont like the vote for the lurker as it seemed an easy cop out. Then his switch to xzavier doesnt help as i think xzavier isnt scum. He has picked up commenting about cases a lot more, but that's to be expected when accused. There was a huge shift in his play style before and after my vote on him. Perhaps he became more active to push the mislynch? I honestly dont know but looking at his filter it just feels scummy. And your new case didnt really add anything new, just commented on xzaviers posts. At this point xzavier is going to be lynched barring some big last minute vote switches.
When accused, scum want to push suspicion off of themselves at all costs. That's not what I see as the purpose of his posting. He's honestly scumhunting and interacting with the thread in a very townie way.
The Xzavier-style return is worse because Xzavier's focus is clearly not on finding scum, it's on defending himself.
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Well, Chromatically, I do find you have accused a lot of people. Which is good, but then you don't say why you have dropped someone. Just read your filter, but then I may have missed. Do you still think hzflank is scum?
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On June 26 2013 09:41 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 09:11 Chromatically wrote:
Spicy and hz, did you read my case? It didn't convince you at all?
And if you put your vote on someone random, and then don't push their lynch at all, you are wasting your vote. I read it and it did not convince me. I will respect your time and go back to read it again though. Currently I have read some parts of the thread many times but other parts only once or twice. I put my vote on someone who I thought more scummy than Xzavier. I still think that, but you can see above what my reasons for now voting Xzavier are.
What about Xzavier's actions makes you think that he is town? I read how you think that scum would be pushing for someone else right now, but I'd like to see what things he's done that make you read town.
I realize that you've already voted Xzav (although I disagree with your reasons for switching), but I'm interested in hearing more of your thoughts and more arguments for Xzav being town.
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On June 26 2013 10:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Well, Chromatically, I do find you have accused a lot of people. Which is good, but then you don't say why you have dropped someone. Just read your filter, but then I may have missed. Do you still think hzflank is scum?
On June 25 2013 06:31 Chromatically wrote:I am far more comfortable with hz now. His theory is really quite ridiculous, and I had a hard time thinking that he actually believed in his case. This post is so, so town, though: Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:06 hzflank wrote:On June 25 2013 03:41 Chromatically wrote:
lol 10/10 conspiracy theory of the century
Now explain to me why this master scum plot is more likely than us both being town. It is a conspiracy theory, which we both know means that I have a lot riding on it as I stand to look like a fool if it all goes wrong. I started out by coming to the conclusion that you were either both town or both scum. Aqua's first post looked like a weak poke on a Chrom that he perceived to be town. It was like he had already decided that you were of the same alignment as he was, so I thought he either had a town read that he was trying to confirm, or he knew that you were scum. I already thought that the first part of Aqua's post was a bit scummy, so I hoped to see some interaction between you and him. Your first post in response contained this: On June 24 2013 20:43 Chromatically wrote:
If you wanted to know about someone, you could just asked me. I'm not just going to randomly post reads if I'm not going to push for their lynch, but I'll definitely tell you what I think of someone or who my scumreads are. Why wouldn't you ask me for my scumreads if you wanted them?
Probably because that's not actually what you want at all. Someone else asked me for scumreads, and I posted mine right below your post, but you haven't reacted to that at all. Does this point still stand even after I've posted my scumreads? Or did your opinion not change at all for some reason?
In the above quote you referred to your previous post here: On June 24 2013 13:29 Chromatically wrote:On June 24 2013 13:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Chromatically, do you have any scumreads? Right now, I'm looking at Xzavier and hzflank. Both have posted a bit, but neither have been scumhunting. hz's recent post makes me feel a little better, but it did only come when I specifically asked him and I don't really agree with it. That doesn't necessarily make him scum though. There are also some other small things that bother me, but I'll elaborate on those later. Now, at this point what do you think Aqua's reply should be? Your scum read post did not really contain anything substantial and in fact I would say that I was in fact scum hunting (I had poked several people). I thought to myself: If Aqua takes his vote off of Chrom before asking Chrom for more info on his reads, then it is because Aqua does not need to know Chrom's reads.Aqua even says this himself in his next post: On June 24 2013 21:08 Aquanim wrote:
Those reads were pretty weak, I'd like to see more from you.
And then in that same post he says: On June 24 2013 21:08 Aquanim wrote:
tl;dr I had uneasy feelings about you but I feel a lot better after reading this post
So Aqua does not get what he wants from you, but for some reason feels better about you, which is why I do not think that you are both town. If you were both town then that exchange should not of ended so easily. On June 25 2013 04:27 Chromatically wrote:Your explanation's fair. It still doesn't excuse the large amount of fluff and general bad feel I get from your early posting (not that's really explainable). I assume that you're busy right now answering my other questions about your case, so in addition: On June 25 2013 04:17 hzflank wrote:On June 25 2013 04:06 FirmTofu wrote:On June 25 2013 03:41 Chromatically wrote:
What's really bizarre is how quickly Tofu agreed with this case. You'd better explain yourself too. I agreed with it in the sense that it was a plausible theory, not that it was particularly likely. For the record I have you both pegged as town and I think you are both wasting precious time accusing one another. His conspiracy idea arose mainly because you accused him of being scum. I see his post as a long-winded retaliation against your credibility to ensure that no one bandwagons him to oblivion. While I may obviously be incorrect, it was not retaliation. Before Chrom voted for me I had already decided that if Aqua moves his vote off of Chrom and then Chrom makes a case against me then they are working together. When did you decide this? Right when you saw Aqua's case on me? Right when Aqua said he felt better about you (above). I read that at the same time as I read your previous post. The exchange just did not go as I would expect it to between two town members. The logic is convoluted and wrong, but I have a hard time believing that scum hz made it all up. A scum hz would have to: 1) come up with this theory (even though they're not scumhunting) 2) explain his reasoning in a clear way that "makes sense" from a town perspective I can't see a way that scum hz develops this reasoning, so clearly from a town perspective, while actually being scum. His next post: Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:37 hzflank wrote:
Aqua asked Tofu twice for his opinions on you. This means that if I assume that you and Aqua are scum, then Tofu must be town. There is no way that one scum would insist on an opinion of another scum from the third scum. Also, I would think that Aqua and Toku are not scumbuddies, since Tofu's opinion on you seemed important to Aqua.
My take on the reason for that was to establish that Tofu thinks you (Chrom) town. Since Tofu is one of the more active posters so far, if he thinks you town he would be easier to get on my wagon and may even make some good posts to convince others.
So as you suggested, my strong town read on Tofu is dependent on my scum read on you and Aqua. This is some of the most convoluted association logic I've ever heard (coming from me). Once again, I can't see scum coming up with this reasoning just in order to justify their read change. A scum hz could have just said that "it was the only way my theory worked" or something and been fine, but this logic is done from a town perspective, I think. ##UnvoteHowever, I encourage you to look through XXXIII if you have the time (my profile). I tunneled two townies all game long and lead a voteswitch off of the GF because I was convinced that they were scum together. Not so much based on their individual actions, but more on the preflip associations I thought that I saw. The lesson I learned was that preflip association cases are really, really, bad. Your case is 100% preflip associations, but they never work out. I would be very interested in hearing a case on Aqua based on his actions alone, if you really think that he's scum. If Aqua flips red, then that's a good time to go look for his associations to others.
In short, no.
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I'm actually in quite a good position. If Xzavier flips town then I don't look scummy. If Xsavier flips red then a day 2 case against me is beneficial anyway, since there are only 3 other likely scum targets and I can just aim at one of them for my defense. Even if I get lynched day 2, as long as the power roles are being used on the 4 main scum targets then you are likely to get a scum lynch on day 3.
In short: a super late day 1 wagon on me would be a terrible idea for the town. (Not that it was suggested).
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On June 26 2013 10:04 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 10:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Well, Chromatically, I do find you have accused a lot of people. Which is good, but then you don't say why you have dropped someone. Just read your filter, but then I may have missed. Do you still think hzflank is scum? Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 06:31 Chromatically wrote:I am far more comfortable with hz now. His theory is really quite ridiculous, and I had a hard time thinking that he actually believed in his case. This post is so, so town, though: On June 25 2013 05:06 hzflank wrote:On June 25 2013 03:41 Chromatically wrote:
lol 10/10 conspiracy theory of the century
Now explain to me why this master scum plot is more likely than us both being town. It is a conspiracy theory, which we both know means that I have a lot riding on it as I stand to look like a fool if it all goes wrong. I started out by coming to the conclusion that you were either both town or both scum. Aqua's first post looked like a weak poke on a Chrom that he perceived to be town. It was like he had already decided that you were of the same alignment as he was, so I thought he either had a town read that he was trying to confirm, or he knew that you were scum. I already thought that the first part of Aqua's post was a bit scummy, so I hoped to see some interaction between you and him. Your first post in response contained this: On June 24 2013 20:43 Chromatically wrote:
If you wanted to know about someone, you could just asked me. I'm not just going to randomly post reads if I'm not going to push for their lynch, but I'll definitely tell you what I think of someone or who my scumreads are. Why wouldn't you ask me for my scumreads if you wanted them?
Probably because that's not actually what you want at all. Someone else asked me for scumreads, and I posted mine right below your post, but you haven't reacted to that at all. Does this point still stand even after I've posted my scumreads? Or did your opinion not change at all for some reason?
In the above quote you referred to your previous post here: On June 24 2013 13:29 Chromatically wrote:On June 24 2013 13:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Chromatically, do you have any scumreads? Right now, I'm looking at Xzavier and hzflank. Both have posted a bit, but neither have been scumhunting. hz's recent post makes me feel a little better, but it did only come when I specifically asked him and I don't really agree with it. That doesn't necessarily make him scum though. There are also some other small things that bother me, but I'll elaborate on those later. Now, at this point what do you think Aqua's reply should be? Your scum read post did not really contain anything substantial and in fact I would say that I was in fact scum hunting (I had poked several people). I thought to myself: If Aqua takes his vote off of Chrom before asking Chrom for more info on his reads, then it is because Aqua does not need to know Chrom's reads.Aqua even says this himself in his next post: On June 24 2013 21:08 Aquanim wrote:
Those reads were pretty weak, I'd like to see more from you.
And then in that same post he says: On June 24 2013 21:08 Aquanim wrote:
tl;dr I had uneasy feelings about you but I feel a lot better after reading this post
So Aqua does not get what he wants from you, but for some reason feels better about you, which is why I do not think that you are both town. If you were both town then that exchange should not of ended so easily. On June 25 2013 04:27 Chromatically wrote:Your explanation's fair. It still doesn't excuse the large amount of fluff and general bad feel I get from your early posting (not that's really explainable). I assume that you're busy right now answering my other questions about your case, so in addition: On June 25 2013 04:17 hzflank wrote:On June 25 2013 04:06 FirmTofu wrote:On June 25 2013 03:41 Chromatically wrote:
What's really bizarre is how quickly Tofu agreed with this case. You'd better explain yourself too. I agreed with it in the sense that it was a plausible theory, not that it was particularly likely. For the record I have you both pegged as town and I think you are both wasting precious time accusing one another. His conspiracy idea arose mainly because you accused him of being scum. I see his post as a long-winded retaliation against your credibility to ensure that no one bandwagons him to oblivion. While I may obviously be incorrect, it was not retaliation. Before Chrom voted for me I had already decided that if Aqua moves his vote off of Chrom and then Chrom makes a case against me then they are working together. When did you decide this? Right when you saw Aqua's case on me? Right when Aqua said he felt better about you (above). I read that at the same time as I read your previous post. The exchange just did not go as I would expect it to between two town members. The logic is convoluted and wrong, but I have a hard time believing that scum hz made it all up. A scum hz would have to: 1) come up with this theory (even though they're not scumhunting) 2) explain his reasoning in a clear way that "makes sense" from a town perspective I can't see a way that scum hz develops this reasoning, so clearly from a town perspective, while actually being scum. His next post: On June 25 2013 05:37 hzflank wrote:
Aqua asked Tofu twice for his opinions on you. This means that if I assume that you and Aqua are scum, then Tofu must be town. There is no way that one scum would insist on an opinion of another scum from the third scum. Also, I would think that Aqua and Toku are not scumbuddies, since Tofu's opinion on you seemed important to Aqua.
My take on the reason for that was to establish that Tofu thinks you (Chrom) town. Since Tofu is one of the more active posters so far, if he thinks you town he would be easier to get on my wagon and may even make some good posts to convince others.
So as you suggested, my strong town read on Tofu is dependent on my scum read on you and Aqua. This is some of the most convoluted association logic I've ever heard (coming from me). Once again, I can't see scum coming up with this reasoning just in order to justify their read change. A scum hz could have just said that "it was the only way my theory worked" or something and been fine, but this logic is done from a town perspective, I think. ##UnvoteHowever, I encourage you to look through XXXIII if you have the time (my profile). I tunneled two townies all game long and lead a voteswitch off of the GF because I was convinced that they were scum together. Not so much based on their individual actions, but more on the preflip associations I thought that I saw. The lesson I learned was that preflip association cases are really, really, bad. Your case is 100% preflip associations, but they never work out. I would be very interested in hearing a case on Aqua based on his actions alone, if you really think that he's scum. If Aqua flips red, then that's a good time to go look for his associations to others. In short, no.
ok. Thanks. Then I like your Filter.
Reading filters is so liberating! I now see both sides, as I have read Xzavier's filter, and thought he was town, because all I saw was pro-Xzavier posts (duh). Now, having read Aquanim's case AGAINST him, I go back to what I thought before, except with this: Xzavier, sorry. Nothing you can do to get this off your back.
##Vote: Xzavier
I was a little suspicious of Onegu. So he's my next "Scum" read, but really my read is neutral toward him. He DID clean up my [expletive], after all.
Nice to be at home/work pc again.
Will keep reading filters, "so this is how you people make cases".... 
diz my play diz game yall duh hurdurr ^^
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Cheerleader Morphin Ranger's Do It Standing Vote count
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Chromatically (0): Aquanim, hzflank
fyfy (0): FirmTofu
hzflank (0): Chromatically
FirmTofu (0): Alakaslam
Spicydinosaur (0): FirmTofu
Xzavier (7): LoneMeow, Chromatically, Aquanim, FirmTofu, Hurricane Sponge, hzflank, Alakaslam
Aquanim (2): hzflank, Xzavier, Onegu, Alakaslam, StiMaDDict
Alakaslam (1): Onegu
Hurricane Sponge (1): Spicydinosaur
StiMaDDict (0): Hurricane Sponge, hzflank
Not Voting:
Xzavier is set to be stomped by MEGAZORD!!
If there is a mistake in the vote count, please let me know.
Day ends in [unparsable timestamp format]
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On June 26 2013 10:10 hzflank wrote:
I'm actually in quite a good position. If Xzavier flips town then I don't look scummy. If Xsavier flips red then a day 2 case against me is beneficial anyway, since there are only 3 other likely scum targets and I can just aim at one of them for my defense. Even if I get lynched day 2, as long as the power roles are being used on the 4 main scum targets then you are likely to get a scum lynch on day 3.
In short: a super late day 1 wagon on me would be a terrible idea for the town. (Not that it was suggested).
..what?
Why are you thinking about what makes you look scummy? Why aren't you lynching based on who you actually think is scum?
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On June 25 2013 15:27 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 15:11 Aquanim wrote:On June 25 2013 14:51 hzflank wrote:In my opinion, Alakaslam has posted the single most scummy sentence in this thread. On the whole I do not think Alakaslam is scummy, but I do think the following post aimed at Onegu should be taken notice of. On June 25 2013 00:46 Alakaslam wrote:
If it helps, you guide my vote until you look scummy.
Alakaslam, at the time that you posted that, what gave you such a strong town read on Onegu? If Alakaslam isn't your scumread, who is? Do you still think I am scum after my replies to the cases against me? In either case, who are your other scumreads? You are, but I admit that this as much to do with process than anything else. Sorry for the hold up, I am trying to make a case against you starting as neutral as I can. I am also trying to ignore anything about NN in my case. I am finding it hard to do because being neutral is harder than it sounds, but I will get there. I am not going to name any other names until I am done with you one way or the other, as I have a habit of splitting attention. In my first read I did not find your replies to the cases against you to be good enough, but if that remains the case after my next reads I will explain why. Currently I think you are more scummy than anyone else, but with 10 people to choose from (Stim does not count), the most scummy is not as much as I would like. Okay, my next post will be a case, but it may take up to 30 minutes.
Hey hz. If you still are wondering what I was thinking about Onegu, he really cleaned up after some questionable (but well intentioned!!) posting (linking old games to "give town meta" {read: distract town, Onegu alerted me}, trying to make a bit of a scumread on Tofu and defend myself at the same time, while not checking what I was doing, general hypocrisy etc.)
As you can see, I've been reading your filter. I am wondering, Whence does the scumread on Aqua come from? Does it still stand?
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On June 26 2013 10:12 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 10:10 hzflank wrote:
I'm actually in quite a good position. If Xzavier flips town then I don't look scummy. If Xsavier flips red then a day 2 case against me is beneficial anyway, since there are only 3 other likely scum targets and I can just aim at one of them for my defense. Even if I get lynched day 2, as long as the power roles are being used on the 4 main scum targets then you are likely to get a scum lynch on day 3.
In short: a super late day 1 wagon on me would be a terrible idea for the town. (Not that it was suggested). ..what? Why are you thinking about what makes you look scummy? Why aren't you lynching based on who you actually think is scum?
UM, Maybe he is a blue role.  If so though, careful with that hz.
But yeah good point Chromatically, why would you post this at all hz? If I was scummy before for sheeping Onegu, what is this?
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EBWOP but I still think you're town.
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Final EBWOP so still explain though please.
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On June 26 2013 10:12 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 10:10 hzflank wrote:
I'm actually in quite a good position. If Xzavier flips town then I don't look scummy. If Xsavier flips red then a day 2 case against me is beneficial anyway, since there are only 3 other likely scum targets and I can just aim at one of them for my defense. Even if I get lynched day 2, as long as the power roles are being used on the 4 main scum targets then you are likely to get a scum lynch on day 3.
In short: a super late day 1 wagon on me would be a terrible idea for the town. (Not that it was suggested). ..what? Why are you thinking about what makes you look scummy? Why aren't you lynching based on who you actually think is scum?
Because it is not a one day game. I am lynching based on which lynch I think is most beneficial to the town, as I said when I voted.
In fact, at this point I think it would be bad for the town for me to try to get people to vote for the people who I think have the most chance of flipping red.
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On June 26 2013 10:16 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 15:27 hzflank wrote:On June 25 2013 15:11 Aquanim wrote:On June 25 2013 14:51 hzflank wrote:In my opinion, Alakaslam has posted the single most scummy sentence in this thread. On the whole I do not think Alakaslam is scummy, but I do think the following post aimed at Onegu should be taken notice of. On June 25 2013 00:46 Alakaslam wrote:
If it helps, you guide my vote until you look scummy.
Alakaslam, at the time that you posted that, what gave you such a strong town read on Onegu? If Alakaslam isn't your scumread, who is? Do you still think I am scum after my replies to the cases against me? In either case, who are your other scumreads? You are, but I admit that this as much to do with process than anything else. Sorry for the hold up, I am trying to make a case against you starting as neutral as I can. I am also trying to ignore anything about NN in my case. I am finding it hard to do because being neutral is harder than it sounds, but I will get there. I am not going to name any other names until I am done with you one way or the other, as I have a habit of splitting attention. In my first read I did not find your replies to the cases against you to be good enough, but if that remains the case after my next reads I will explain why. Currently I think you are more scummy than anyone else, but with 10 people to choose from (Stim does not count), the most scummy is not as much as I would like. Okay, my next post will be a case, but it may take up to 30 minutes. Hey hz. If you still are wondering what I was thinking about Onegu, he really cleaned up after some questionable (but well intentioned!!) posting (linking old games to "give town meta" {read: distract town, Onegu alerted me}, trying to make a bit of a scumread on Tofu and defend myself at the same time, while not checking what I was doing, general hypocrisy etc.) As you can see, I've been reading your filter. I am wondering, Whence does the scumread on Aqua come from? Does it still stand?
I am not convinced that Aqua is scum. It's still conditional on Chromatically also being scum. Going from a statistical point of view that is a bad way for me to look at it for the time being.
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On June 26 2013 10:20 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 10:12 Chromatically wrote:On June 26 2013 10:10 hzflank wrote:
I'm actually in quite a good position. If Xzavier flips town then I don't look scummy. If Xsavier flips red then a day 2 case against me is beneficial anyway, since there are only 3 other likely scum targets and I can just aim at one of them for my defense. Even if I get lynched day 2, as long as the power roles are being used on the 4 main scum targets then you are likely to get a scum lynch on day 3.
In short: a super late day 1 wagon on me would be a terrible idea for the town. (Not that it was suggested). ..what? Why are you thinking about what makes you look scummy? Why aren't you lynching based on who you actually think is scum? Because it is not a one day game. I am lynching based on which lynch I think is most beneficial to the town, as I said when I voted. In fact, at this point I think it would be bad for the town for me to try to get people to vote for the people who I think have the most chance of flipping red.
The town wincondition is based on lynching scum. (Note that it's not at all based on whether you die or not.)
Voting and pushing a scum lynch is the only way to achieve that.
You are arguing that it's more beneficial to vote for people who you think are town. This doesn't make sense.
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Imagine that I think that player A has a 25% chance of being Scum, and player B has a 30% chance of being scum. At first glance it appears that I should vote for player B.
However, if voting for player B is guaranteed to produce no other information, then voting for player B only has a 30% chance of moving the town closer to the win.
If voting for player A has a 25% chance to produce information that will all but confirm multiple players as town, then voting for player A has a >30% chance of moving the town closer to the win.
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To put it another way:
I think that Stim and Alakaslam are both more likely to be scum than to be scum than Xzavier is. However, if Stim or Alakaslam were to flip red right now I would still not be confident as to who the other scum are. If Xzavier were to flip red right now then I think that the town would have a very good chance of finding the other scum quickly.
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