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[QUOTE]On June 26 2013 06:00 FirmTofu wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 26 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 26 2013 05:40 Chromatically wrote:
Onegu's apathy about this lynch is very bothersome to me, as town your vote is your strongest weapon and Onegu is just wasting his.
Not sure what it means until I see the flip, but not having an opinion on either of these candidates is weird.[/QUOTE]
He has an opinion. He thinks both of the current lynch candidates are scum. It's weird, but I see where he's coming from. My guess is that he's trying to establish a voting track record on who he believes is the most scummy person out there. Which happens to be neither of the current candidates. Even though he does believe they're both scum.
Huh, yeah... I guess that is weird.[/QUOTE]
Apathy is a sign of defeatist scum trying to win back the town's favor. Initially, he was very pro-lynching Aqua, now he is apathetic with a fairly low amount of developments?
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Scummy see, scummy do.
Onegu might just be more scummy than Spicy at this point for me. That's quite a turnaround.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]On June 26 2013 05:40 Chromatically wrote:
Onegu's apathy about this lynch is very bothersome to me, as town your vote is your strongest weapon and Onegu is just wasting his.
Not sure what it means until I see the flip, but not having an opinion on either of these candidates is weird.[/QUOTE]
Right, but Spicy is burning his vote in much the same manner. If anything, Spicy's actions should be viewed as at least as scummy at this point in time.
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Does Day automatically end if we reach a majority on Xzavier?
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EBWOP: GOD DAMMIT my first broken BBCode. My bad.
TL:DR Spicy is wasting his vote just like Onegu is. Why would Onegu be MORE scummy at this point?
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On June 26 2013 06:07 FirmTofu wrote:
Does Day automatically end if we reach a majority on Xzavier?
Day ends when the timer runs out. Then everyone will hopefully not post until I get the night post up.
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On June 26 2013 06:07 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: GOD DAMMIT my first broken BBCode. My bad.
TL:DR Spicy is wasting his vote just like Onegu is. Why would Onegu be MORE scummy at this point?
Because his apathy is a scumtell. I already explained that. He's going from tunneling someone to apathy over the course of a handful of posts. Spicy is wasting his vote, sure... but Onegu is doing that and more.
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Fair enough. I'm just keeping an eye on Spicy because he really flew off the handle at me early when I linked him and Xzavier on really weak evidence, and then decided to come after me with a lynch case.
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I still think that Xzav is the best lynch for today, but Onegu is at least someone to look into heavily tomorrow.
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Xzav's recent posts are pretty null to me. They could be genuine, but the just as easily could be scum trying to redirect the lynch. Scum could have seen that Aqua wasn't going to happen, but they might be able to push the lynch off on Alaka. With 5 hours left in the day, there's no reason for scum Xzav to give up. Agree?
It helps that I have a town read on everyone on the Xzav wagon, so I really don't think that scum is pushing this wagon at all. I'd be surprised if there are no scum at all on a town wagon.
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Regarding my vote on Aqua:
You can criticise me for playing the noob card again, but from my POV as a first time player I feel the need to have at least some conviction in my scum reads and not to change my vote every 30 minutes. The noob card is important right now though, because none of my town reads have their vote on Aqua and while I am an arrogant person, it is pretty extreme to think that I am correct while a group of people who are each more experienced than me have their votes elsewhere. Especially since the number of town reads that I have likely outnumbers the whole scum team.
I did not present a case on Aqua that was likely to convince others of his guilt. That is partially because of my communication skills but also I wanted other people to come up with their own reasons, and hopefully show me things that I missed. I still think that there could be a case on Aqua, but that case depends on how much weight you hold on policy, and there are a significant number of people who do not want to put too much value into policy.
Still, I think that leaving my vote on Aqua all this time was the right thing to do, as having only one wagon form on day one would have been bad. However, the wagon has lost steam and is now useless. Since I would now need to see certain flips before putting Aqua firmly in the scum team, and even if Aqua were lynched if he flipped white I would not gain enough information:
##Unvote: Aquanim
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I will vote again shortly, if only to provide the town with more info based on my voting pattern. I just need to figure out who to vote for.
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I am torn between Alakaslam and StimAddict.
Alakaslam looks a bit scummy, as I have said previously. At this point it would not be hard for anyone to make a case against him. He obviously spent some time researching and trying to scum hunt, but his starting point was Ace. I don't know about other town members, but to be honest it had never even crossed my mind who the scum coach was. Alaka voted Aqua before Hurricane voted Xzavier, but then unvoted Aqua after Hurricane voted Xzavier.
StimAddict has been wholly useless. This is a team game and not posting anything does nothing to aid the team. StimAddict voted for Aqua before Hurricane added the 5th vote on Xzavier.
Either could be scum. Stim has not contributed at all.
##Vote:StimAddict
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I still think that Xzavier is town. Also, if he were scum then his buddies gave up on him too easy. The push for an Aqua lynch was not strong enough. The attempt to move the vote to another party was fragmented.
If Xzavier is scum then Onegu and I are his most likely buddies. And obviously that does not sit well with me because obviously I know my alignment.
If Xzavier is scum, did his allies really give up on him that easily? Why am I the only person fighting his case?
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@hurricane
I am not wasting my vote, i am voting for someone who i believe is scummy. Would it be a waste if people switched onto you? I believe people should vote for who they think is scummy, its simple. I'm not voting xzavier for reasons stated and im sure as hell not going to vote for the late day bandwagon building switch to stim which looks to be forming as the aqua wagon is falling apart. My vote is parked comfortably were it is.
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EBWOP: also hurricane my vote for you has nothing to do with your early scum view of me. As i have repeatedly stated that was your actions afterwards that warranted the vote.
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There is not a wagon on Stim, only me. The other person who I would be willing to switch to is Alakaslam, who Onegu ic currently on and I still do not think Onegu is scum.
Onegu moved his vote off of Aqua very early and has shown no indication of moving it back. If Xzavier and Onegu are both scum then Onegu should of kept his vote on Aqua until the wagon gathered more steam. There were still many people who had not voted when Onegu moved his vote.
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On June 26 2013 08:07 hzflank wrote:
There is not a wagon on Stim, only me. The other person who I would be willing to switch to is Alakaslam, who Onegu ic currently on and I still do not think Onegu is scum.
Onegu moved his vote off of Aqua very early and has shown no indication of moving it back. If Xzavier and Onegu are both scum then Onegu should of kept his vote on Aqua until the wagon gathered more steam. There were still many people who had not voted when Onegu moved his vote.
The way the thread was reading makes it seem stim will be getting a few more votes. at least to me.
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I will try another angle:
LoneMeow was the first to vote on Xzavier. I think that LoneMeow is town. He has never looked scummy to me and he thought that Xzavier was scum for the start. It makes sense that LoneMeow would be the first to vote on Xzavier.
Next to add their vote was Chromatically. Despite my earlier attack, Chrom has been looking more and more town to me. The only reason that I can see a scum Chrom voting Xzavier when he did is if Aqua is also scum, and everyone thought that idea was ridiculous. Therefore, I expect most of you see Chrom as town and the first two people on the wagon as town.
Aqua was the third to vote. Most of you think Aqua is town. That means most of you must think that the first 3 people on the wagon are town.
Is that not odd to anyone? If three townies jump on a scum wagon then there should of been a counter play by the scum team by now. And yet I started the Aqua wagon and I am posting this. It does not make sense.
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On June 26 2013 08:17 hzflank wrote:
I will try another angle:
LoneMeow was the first to vote on Xzavier. I think that LoneMeow is town. He has never looked scummy to me and he thought that Xzavier was scum for the start. It makes sense that LoneMeow would be the first to vote on Xzavier.
Next to add their vote was Chromatically. Despite my earlier attack, Chrom has been looking more and more town to me. The only reason that I can see a scum Chrom voting Xzavier when he did is if Aqua is also scum, and everyone thought that idea was ridiculous. Therefore, I expect most of you see Chrom as town and the first two people on the wagon as town.
Aqua was the third to vote. Most of you think Aqua is town. That means most of you must think that the first 3 people on the wagon are town.
Is that not odd to anyone? If three townies jump on a scum wagon then there should of been a counter play by the scum team by now. And yet I started the Aqua wagon and I am posting this. It does not make sense.
There was a counter play! The scum saw that you had already started a vote on Aqua and used that as an opportunity to draw attention away from Xzavier. While I strongly believe you are town because you were the one to start the lynch with some pretty good analysis, I do not believe that the other people pursuing the Aqua wagon are free from blame. The fact that they jumped on Aqua right after Xzavier's bandwagon was gaining momentum is indicative of this fact.
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Okay, well I am going to stop defending Xzavier now. One he flips I will be able to draw some better conclusions.
We will also get Fyfy's flip, which is a bonus.
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@Alakaslam, what do you think of Xzavier? I should warn you that if he flips red then your filter looks just as bad as mine, possibly worse!
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