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Ninjaed.
Optimum play. To me optimum play would be the thing that makes you seem most townie, and so it would be pretty close to what Z-Bo did, lol. Going to the accuser's filter, remembering some inconsistency between a previous post and the current stance, bringing it up. Then...probably either continuing to push that, to undermine the guy who is accusing me, or possibly get a scumbuddy to step in and help out (I'm not scum bee tee dubs).
What I'd EXPECT from scum wouldn't be the most super optimal play though. I'd expect the WIFOM, or this argument that I'm bringing up, or something else.
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On October 23 2012 09:54 austinmcc wrote:
Ninjaed.
Optimum play. To me optimum play would be the thing that makes you seem most townie, and so it would be pretty close to what Z-Bo did, lol. Going to the accuser's filter, remembering some inconsistency between a previous post and the current stance, bringing it up. Then...probably either continuing to push that, to undermine the guy who is accusing me, or possibly get a scumbuddy to step in and help out (I'm not scum bee tee dubs).
What I'd EXPECT from scum wouldn't be the most super optimal play though. I'd expect the WIFOM, or this argument that I'm bringing up, or something else.
So Z-Bo isn't scum because the way he hammered was suboptimal, but you wouldn't expect scum Z-Bo to play optimally in that situation? Why wouldn't you expect optimal play?
you can see what i'm getting at here, and i'm doing terribly at explaining it.
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I can see what you're getting at.
I wouldn't expect optimal play because...I don't think I SHOULD expect optimal play. If all scum played optimally always, town probably gets crushed again and again. I assume most scum don't play optimally.
Moreover, I'm not sure that I get the contradiction between "Z-Bo isn't scum because hammering there was suboptimal" and "Z-Bo doing the super optimal scum play afterwards" indicating town Z-Bo. If he's a mastermind scum player, I would expect the vote/hammer to go differently. I wouldn't expect suboptimal hammer to be immediately followed by optimal response?
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Aren't you saying you don't think Z-Bo is scum because the way he hammered was suboptimal?
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On October 23 2012 09:59 marvellosity wrote:
Aren't you saying you don't think Z-Bo is scum because the way he hammered was suboptimal?
I don't think he's scum because the hammer seems like suboptimal play.
Then his response feels very townie/the optimal play for scum.
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I'm confusing myself now.
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people need to stop ignoring my posts when im town it happens every fucking game basically. When i say wait it means wait.
Although i would of pushed v7 even if i had gotten back in time fucker had to go so im not really mad
Any who another post that got ignored that i should have probably pushed harder when i made it was this one
On October 22 2012 22:47 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 11:28 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 11:16 iamperfection wrote:On October 22 2012 11:11 vaderseven wrote:On October 22 2012 11:00 iamperfection wrote:
I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy
You now move from my scum category to super scum category.
come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all.
You are grasping at straws. I read the thread on my phone and its day 1 and you think what I have posted the past like hour males me super scum? yes i think refusal to give reads on players is bullshit and its scum behavior. Same goes for you Keirathi. It's super fucking easy to say "that's scum behavior!" But is it? What would you say if you lynched me and I flip town? "Oh, he was playing scummy. He deserved it!"? i would hold a candle light vigil in your honor if you flipped town. i think its a moot point to keep hammering this point. you even said yourself its a terrible mindset that has gotten you lynched in the past. also its concerning that you called out for it in gsl I. Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 00:48 Keirathi wrote:
Really marv? You know me better than that.
You question me every game for not taking hard stances day 1. My playstyle hasn't changed and isn't going to. I form opinions slowly and deliberately. you were scum remember. Me representing the town i am asking you to change nay begging you to change. If you are scum continue i have no problem pushing a lynch on you at this point. Shape up or die.
Kerihati used the same fucking argument when he was scum in gsl 1. He Basically he argues this how i always act and thats why he was doing this.
My scum read on Kerihati remains and his stupid argument after the flip even makes less sense since he observed gsl II. People used shit arguments to blame ottoxol for being scum in that game just because he droped a hammer. I think droping a hammer is a null tell and the fact that kerihati blatantly abandoned all logic makes me think he is scum.
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On October 23 2012 10:00 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:59 marvellosity wrote:
Aren't you saying you don't think Z-Bo is scum because the way he hammered was suboptimal? I don't think he's scum because the hammer seems like suboptimal play. Then his response feels very townie/the optimal play for scum.
Ok, so if he were scum, it would be the grossly suboptimal play followed by the optimal play, and those things don't mesh is what you're saying?
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On October 23 2012 10:00 marvellosity wrote:
I'm confusing myself now.
Ya. I get what you're grok-ing at, but I don't think it makes any sense.
If both the vote AND hammer were suboptimal or optimal, then I could think Z-BosoN was scum or scum mastermind. If there's a mix, then I find it more likely the townie response is real, and not the result of scum mastermind Z-BosoN, or else I would expect different play concerning the vote/hammer.
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Right yes, that was the question. I was reading your suboptimal/optimal considerations as inconsistent, but actually they make sense and I'm pretty happy with that. Obviously I should have left this optimal/suboptimal stuff back in Clothes :x
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On October 23 2012 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 05:27 iamperfection wrote:
Posting from phone dont lynch z-bos wait untll I get home please. So you don't find him scummy then? Do tell.
and wtf was this shit.
I simply was saying wait because i wanted v7 gone i was saying nothing about the alignment of zbos and this seems eerily familiar to when in liquid city you said i was "chain saw" defending someone i was saying nothing about zbos and it looks like from my view you are trying to twist my words again.
Fos Hapa
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[QUOTE]On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP, that's a real bad tell.
From liquid city:
[QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:16 iamperfection wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/[/QUOTE]
shaopi is voting for dp.[/QUOTE]
Yea that's making me uneasy on who to vote.
The biggest tagline of my voting on ShiaoPi is being useless with a fair possibility of being scum.
The biggest tagline of me wanting to vote DP is that I actually find him scum.[/QUOTE]
Open the spoilers and you find this [QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/[/QUOTE]
This right here vindicates what I have been saying all along, This is exactly what I would expect ZB to be doing rather than ninja sheeping onto V7.
[QUOTE]On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, I don't get why people are thinking I'm sheeping. First of all, there's not really much to say on v7.
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Maybe because V7 became his number one scum read out of friggin nowhere. Maybe because he was willing to lynch him despite expending so little effort on V7 and much more effort elsewhere. Maybe because ZB whines when he has to vote for a lurker and much prefers others lynching to his cases rather than sheeping others cases. Maybe Because he hammers like a retard when he is the counter wagon.
OMERGAHD I am so mad right now.
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omg formatting ARGH!!!!
BRB with fixed version
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[QUOTE]On October 23 2012 10:12 DarthPunk wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP, that's a real bad tell.
From liquid city:
[QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:16 iamperfection wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/[/QUOTE]
shaopi is voting for dp.[/QUOTE]
Yea that's making me uneasy on who to vote.
The biggest tagline of my voting on ShiaoPi is being useless with a fair possibility of being scum.
The biggest tagline of me wanting to vote DP is that I actually find him scum.[/QUOTE]
Open the spoilers and you find this [QUOTE]On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/[/QUOTE]
This right here vindicates what I have been saying all along, This is exactly what I would expect ZB to be doing rather than ninja sheeping onto V7.
[QUOTE]On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, I don't get why people are thinking I'm sheeping. First of all, there's not really much to say on v7.
[/QUOTE]
Maybe because V7 became his number one scum read out of friggin nowhere. Maybe because he was willing to lynch him despite expending so little effort on V7 and much more effort elsewhere. Maybe because ZB whines when he has to vote for a lurker and much prefers others lynching to his cases rather than sheeping others cases. Maybe Because he hammers like a retard when he is the counter wagon.
OMERGAHD I am so mad right now.[/QUOTE]
so much fail fix the quotes
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i did not do that on purpose that actually just happened.
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On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP, that's a real bad tell.
From liquid city:
On October 14 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 08:16 iamperfection wrote:On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/ shaopi is voting for dp. Yea that's making me uneasy on who to vote. The biggest tagline of my voting on ShiaoPi is being useless with a fair possibility of being scum. The biggest tagline of me wanting to vote DP is that I actually find him scum.
Open the spoilers and you find this On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/
This right here vindicates what I have been saying all along, This is exactly what I would expect ZB to be doing rather than ninja sheeping onto V7.
On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, I don't get why people are thinking I'm sheeping. First of all, there's not really much to say on v7.
Maybe because V7 became his number one scum read out of friggin nowhere. Maybe because he was willing to lynch him despite expending so little effort on V7 and much more effort elsewhere. Maybe because ZB whines when he has to vote for a lurker and much prefers others lynching to his cases rather than sheeping others cases. Maybe Because he hammers like a retard when he is the counter wagon.
OMERGAHD I am so mad right now.
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On October 23 2012 10:13 iamperfection wrote:
i did not do that on purpose that actually just happened.
Ah. Perfection.
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iamp, living up to his name like a baws.
DP, do you think this post is faked then?
It's only a little thing but his "go away, shoo" makes me think he's town. If he was playing the angry scum act, that would be so out of place. I'm inclined to think that Z-Bo is town and just derped with what he splurged on the thread in his hammer vote.
The meta you're bringing up - you're neglecting to take into account that the stuff you're quoting was like Day 4 in a full-sized normal vs Day 1 in a mini. This leads to significant differences in the sureness of reads and what someone pushes. I for one know I play significantly more strongly in a Day 4 than a Day 1 (well. later in the game let's say. normally i'm dead)
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On October 23 2012 10:24 marvellosity wrote:
iamp, living up to his name like a baws.
har har so funny how long did you stay up thinking that one up.
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