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marvellosity
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iamperfection
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On October 23 2012 10:53 Keirathi wrote: I used the same argument as town in Aperture 2, and I Can't Believe It's Not Themed too, as town. So...how is that relevant? You're making an argument about my "meta" without any fucking clue what my meta actually is. Or hell, what meta even is in general. It's a pattern of things repeated across multiple games. That I even have to explain this to you is so mindboggling that I can't comprehend it, since I've used it to correctly read you and tell you about it in like 4 different games, granted I was wrong in another game. I actually don't know what you're talking about with Ottoxlol. I named my scumteam in the obs thread on night 1, then checked out because the game was boring and dead. You're right. Dropping a hammer, in and of itself, is completely a completely null tell. Did I ever say I was voting him for hammering v7? No. I'm going to vote him for the REASONS he hammered v7. my point was that ottoxol got heat just because he dropped a hammer vote and the other town members herp derped for a little bit saying lol obvious scum is obvious. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 23 2012 10:59 marvellosity wrote: when have you ever known me to apologise? When have you ever been so wrong before (assuming you are town. which i'm not totally convinced of, ofc)? Certainly not in any game that I've played with you. I've literally never seen you make such a weak case, so if you believe that strongly in it, I'll expect that apology after I flip town. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 23 2012 11:01 Keirathi wrote: When have you ever been so wrong before (assuming you are town. which i'm not totally convinced of, ofc)? Certainly not in any game that I've played with you. I've literally never seen you make such a weak case, so if you believe that strongly in it, I'll expect that apology after I flip town. I think austin actually takes great delight in his post that he's used across multiple games about my wrong reads. I do find it interesting though that you characterise any case against you, by anyone really, as weak, lazy, *insert word here*. If you can show me you're town, I'll reconsider my read. Hell, I even gave Palmar in Rock Band a chance. This hammer shit is NOT it. | ||
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marvellosity
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 23 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote: I think austin actually takes great delight in his post that he's used across multiple games about my wrong reads. I do find it interesting though that you characterise any case against you, by anyone really, as weak, lazy, *insert word here*. If you can show me you're town, I'll reconsider my read. Hell, I even gave Palmar in Rock Band a chance. This hammer shit is NOT it. Hey now. That post sort of ish caught scum  | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 23 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote: I think austin actually takes great delight in his post that he's used across multiple games about my wrong reads. I do find it interesting though that you characterise any case against you, by anyone really, as weak, lazy, *insert word here*. If you can show me you're town, I'll reconsider my read. Hell, I even gave Palmar in Rock Band a chance. This hammer shit is NOT it. Did you read his reasoning for hammering v7? Can you show me one piece of that "case" that reads like something a town Z-Bo would make? Because I sure as hell can't. | ||
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Keirathi
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On October 23 2012 10:51 marvellosity wrote: DP dear, don't be so predictable. The reasoning behind it. What do you mean predictable. Grrr. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On October 23 2012 10:56 marvellosity wrote: Also, if you speak to me like that again DP, I'll slap you in the face. <3 Was I offensive somewhere? | ||
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vaderseven
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vaderseven
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gl town | ||
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austinmcc
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
See you all in post game, was fun glgl DEAD POST | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 23 2012 10:01 austinmcc wrote: Ya. I get what you're grok-ing at, but I don't think it makes any sense. If both the vote AND hammer were suboptimal or optimal, then I could think Z-BosoN was scum or scum mastermind. If there's a mix, then I find it more likely the townie response is real, and not the result of scum mastermind Z-BosoN, or else I would expect different play concerning the vote/hammer. So, I've been thinking about this a lot. While I agree with your premise, I just don't agree that the hammer was suboptimal play IF Z-Bo is scum and was worried about dying. Its hard to say whether he was actually worried about dying or not, but I do think he was the second most likely possibility of being lynched, at least with the given information, behind v7. So, yea, I think he did the optimal scum thing in both cases: 1) giving himself another day and hopefully letting people talk themselves out of his lynch, and 2) attempting to discredit the person who attacked his hammer reasoning. Anyways, I still don't think a town ZB magically creates a top 2 scum read on v7 out of nowhere like that. The timing was just too convenient. I was pretty convinced even before his reasoning for hammering, and that was just the icing on the cake. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:08 Keirathi wrote: So, I've been thinking about this a lot. While I agree with your premise, I just don't agree that the hammer was suboptimal play IF Z-Bo is scum and was worried about dying. Its hard to say whether he was actually worried about dying or not, but I do think he was the second most likely possibility of being lynched, at least with the given information, behind v7. So, yea, I think he did the optimal scum thing in both cases: 1) giving himself another day and hopefully letting people talk themselves out of his lynch, and 2) attempting to discredit the person who attacked his hammer reasoning. Anyways, I still don't think a town ZB magically creates a top 2 scum read on v7 out of nowhere like that. The timing was just too convenient. I was pretty convinced even before his reasoning for hammering, and that was just the icing on the cake. I'm with you on this one keir. I want to lynch ZB or Drazak. Super strong reads on them and despite the protestations of many I am not convinced on the reasoning behind them being town. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
drazak 09-27-2012 03:36 PM ET (US) This game sucks, can we have an immediate gsl open 3 because this one isn't so good so far :S On October 20 2012 09:11 drazak wrote: Yeah, there is a reason this game was invite after the last disa-gsl, game. Of course it starts while my laptop is put of commission haha. Phpnes and multiple computers for the win. On October 20 2012 09:27 drazak wrote: Of course Hapa, plenty of free time as far as I know, should be posting a bunch. Also a little less afraid to post for various reasons. What gives??? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 23 2012 13:08 Keirathi wrote: So, I've been thinking about this a lot. While I agree with your premise, I just don't agree that the hammer was suboptimal play IF Z-Bo is scum and was worried about dying. Its hard to say whether he was actually worried about dying or not, but I do think he was the second most likely possibility of being lynched, at least with the given information, behind v7. So, yea, I think he did the optimal scum thing in both cases: 1) giving himself another day and hopefully letting people talk themselves out of his lynch, and 2) attempting to discredit the person who attacked his hammer reasoning. Anyways, I still don't think a town ZB magically creates a top 2 scum read on v7 out of nowhere like that. The timing was just too convenient. I was pretty convinced even before his reasoning for hammering, and that was just the icing on the cake. Kei, why is it too convenient? Can you explain that please? I had a look at Z-Bo's filter from Liquid City. He sheeped on to Node with very little explanation, only after being prodded explaining that it was a policy lynch because he couldn't find anything better. Perhaps the starkest difference is that he went "fuck it, I'm voting coag", taking his own path. But he was lynching coag for being contentless and not scumhunting, similar to vader. I don't really see why in a 9 player mini like this his behaviour is marked as so drastically different. I get the feeling that people are wielding meta in a far too particular, minutiae manner. Most of my meta reads are pretty broad stroke - e.g. Rockband, Palmar - doesn't give a shit about town, Hiro - less invested but capable of long analysis posts. Rather than "I don't think he does this particular thing in this situation" As one of the hosts in his scum game, my main feeling was that he wasn't that invested in town until things started getting heated day 3, whereas my feeling this game is that he is much more invested than that. That, my friends, is MY meta read. What say you rabble? ^^ | ||
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marvellosity
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iamperfection
United States9648 Posts
and this action takes the cake. On October 23 2012 05:43 drazak wrote: About which? he gets asked a direct question and abandons the thread. i know wifom wifom wifom but come on dont you think he would be able to ask his scum buddy for some advice if he were scum. That would make more sense from my view. Even me a newish player would be able to help him a little bit. Im just not buying drazak as scum. | ||
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