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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2012 01:59 GMT
#641
when have you ever known me to apologise?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 23 2012 02:00 GMT
#642
On October 23 2012 10:53 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:
people need to stop ignoring my posts when im town it happens every fucking game basically. When i say wait it means wait.

Although i would of pushed v7 even if i had gotten back in time fucker had to go so im not really mad

Any who another post that got ignored that i should have probably pushed harder when i made it was this one

On October 22 2012 22:47 iamperfection wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:28 Keirathi wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:16 iamperfection wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:11 vaderseven wrote:
On October 22 2012 11:00 iamperfection wrote:


I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy

You now move from my scum category to super scum category.

come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all.



You are grasping at straws. I read the thread on my phone and its day 1 and you think what I have posted the past like hour males me super scum?

yes i think refusal to give reads on players is bullshit and its scum behavior.

Same goes for you Keirathi.

It's super fucking easy to say "that's scum behavior!" But is it? What would you say if you lynched me and I flip town? "Oh, he was playing scummy. He deserved it!"?

i would hold a candle light vigil in your honor if you flipped town.

i think its a moot point to keep hammering this point. you even said yourself its a terrible mindset that has gotten you lynched in the past. also its concerning that you called out for it in gsl I.

On September 07 2012 00:48 Keirathi wrote:
Really marv? You know me better than that.

You question me every game for not taking hard stances day 1. My playstyle hasn't changed and isn't going to. I form opinions slowly and deliberately.

you were scum remember.


Me representing the town i am asking you to change nay begging you to change. If you are scum continue i have no problem pushing a lynch on you at this point. Shape up or die.



Kerihati used the same fucking argument when he was scum in gsl 1. He Basically he argues this how i always act and thats why he was doing this.

My scum read on Kerihati remains and his stupid argument after the flip even makes less sense since he observed gsl II. People used shit arguments to blame ottoxol for being scum in that game just because he droped a hammer. I think droping a hammer is a null tell and the fact that kerihati blatantly abandoned all logic makes me think he is scum.

I used the same argument as town in Aperture 2, and I Can't Believe It's Not Themed too, as town. So...how is that relevant? You're making an argument about my "meta" without any fucking clue what my meta actually is. Or hell, what meta even is in general. It's a pattern of things repeated across multiple games. That I even have to explain this to you is so mindboggling that I can't comprehend it, since I've used it to correctly read you and tell you about it in like 4 different games, granted I was wrong in another game.

I actually don't know what you're talking about with Ottoxlol. I named my scumteam in the obs thread on night 1, then checked out because the game was boring and dead.

You're right. Dropping a hammer, in and of itself, is completely a completely null tell. Did I ever say I was voting him for hammering v7? No. I'm going to vote him for the REASONS he hammered v7.

my point was that ottoxol got heat just because he dropped a hammer vote and the other town members herp derped for a little bit saying lol obvious scum is obvious.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 23 2012 02:01 GMT
#643
On October 23 2012 10:59 marvellosity wrote:
when have you ever known me to apologise?

When have you ever been so wrong before (assuming you are town. which i'm not totally convinced of, ofc)? Certainly not in any game that I've played with you. I've literally never seen you make such a weak case, so if you believe that strongly in it, I'll expect that apology after I flip town.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2012 02:05 GMT
#644
On October 23 2012 11:01 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 10:59 marvellosity wrote:
when have you ever known me to apologise?

When have you ever been so wrong before (assuming you are town. which i'm not totally convinced of, ofc)? Certainly not in any game that I've played with you. I've literally never seen you make such a weak case, so if you believe that strongly in it, I'll expect that apology after I flip town.


I think austin actually takes great delight in his post that he's used across multiple games about my wrong reads.

I do find it interesting though that you characterise any case against you, by anyone really, as weak, lazy, *insert word here*.

If you can show me you're town, I'll reconsider my read. Hell, I even gave Palmar in Rock Band a chance. This hammer shit is NOT it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2012 02:06 GMT
#645
Anyways it's 3am and I have no idea why I'm up. See you dudettes tomorrow.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 23 2012 02:06 GMT
#646
On October 23 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 11:01 Keirathi wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:59 marvellosity wrote:
when have you ever known me to apologise?

When have you ever been so wrong before (assuming you are town. which i'm not totally convinced of, ofc)? Certainly not in any game that I've played with you. I've literally never seen you make such a weak case, so if you believe that strongly in it, I'll expect that apology after I flip town.


I think austin actually takes great delight in his post that he's used across multiple games about my wrong reads.

I do find it interesting though that you characterise any case against you, by anyone really, as weak, lazy, *insert word here*.

If you can show me you're town, I'll reconsider my read. Hell, I even gave Palmar in Rock Band a chance. This hammer shit is NOT it.

Hey now. That post sort of ish caught scum
Fe fi fo fum.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 23 2012 02:11 GMT
#647
On October 23 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 11:01 Keirathi wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:59 marvellosity wrote:
when have you ever known me to apologise?

When have you ever been so wrong before (assuming you are town. which i'm not totally convinced of, ofc)? Certainly not in any game that I've played with you. I've literally never seen you make such a weak case, so if you believe that strongly in it, I'll expect that apology after I flip town.


I think austin actually takes great delight in his post that he's used across multiple games about my wrong reads.

I do find it interesting though that you characterise any case against you, by anyone really, as weak, lazy, *insert word here*.

If you can show me you're town, I'll reconsider my read. Hell, I even gave Palmar in Rock Band a chance. This hammer shit is NOT it.

Did you read his reasoning for hammering v7?

Can you show me one piece of that "case" that reads like something a town Z-Bo would make? Because I sure as hell can't.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 23 2012 02:13 GMT
#648
Oh, also: I am considering austin's point about the optimal/suboptimal thing. I'll flesh out some thoughts about that in a bit.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 23 2012 02:19 GMT
#649
On October 23 2012 10:51 marvellosity wrote:
DP dear, don't be so predictable. The reasoning behind it.


What do you mean predictable. Grrr.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 23 2012 02:28 GMT
#650
On October 23 2012 10:56 marvellosity wrote:
Also, if you speak to me like that again DP, I'll slap you in the face.

<3


Was I offensive somewhere?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
October 23 2012 02:47 GMT
#651
ok sorry got fucking busy as hell at work, posting my notes here in a second... I have about 3 pages of shit hand written and I need to read last few pages of thread
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
October 23 2012 02:48 GMT
#652
o i c.

gl town
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 23 2012 02:50 GMT
#653
gg vader
Fe fi fo fum.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
October 23 2012 02:59 GMT
#654
DEAD POST

See you all in post game, was fun

glgl

DEAD POST
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 23 2012 04:08 GMT
#655
On October 23 2012 10:01 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 10:00 marvellosity wrote:
I'm confusing myself now.

Ya. I get what you're grok-ing at, but I don't think it makes any sense.

If both the vote AND hammer were suboptimal or optimal, then I could think Z-BosoN was scum or scum mastermind. If there's a mix, then I find it more likely the townie response is real, and not the result of scum mastermind Z-BosoN, or else I would expect different play concerning the vote/hammer.

So, I've been thinking about this a lot. While I agree with your premise, I just don't agree that the hammer was suboptimal play IF Z-Bo is scum and was worried about dying. Its hard to say whether he was actually worried about dying or not, but I do think he was the second most likely possibility of being lynched, at least with the given information, behind v7.

So, yea, I think he did the optimal scum thing in both cases: 1) giving himself another day and hopefully letting people talk themselves out of his lynch, and 2) attempting to discredit the person who attacked his hammer reasoning.


Anyways, I still don't think a town ZB magically creates a top 2 scum read on v7 out of nowhere like that. The timing was just too convenient. I was pretty convinced even before his reasoning for hammering, and that was just the icing on the cake.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 23 2012 05:04 GMT
#656
On October 23 2012 13:08 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 10:01 austinmcc wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:00 marvellosity wrote:
I'm confusing myself now.

Ya. I get what you're grok-ing at, but I don't think it makes any sense.

If both the vote AND hammer were suboptimal or optimal, then I could think Z-BosoN was scum or scum mastermind. If there's a mix, then I find it more likely the townie response is real, and not the result of scum mastermind Z-BosoN, or else I would expect different play concerning the vote/hammer.

So, I've been thinking about this a lot. While I agree with your premise, I just don't agree that the hammer was suboptimal play IF Z-Bo is scum and was worried about dying. Its hard to say whether he was actually worried about dying or not, but I do think he was the second most likely possibility of being lynched, at least with the given information, behind v7.

So, yea, I think he did the optimal scum thing in both cases: 1) giving himself another day and hopefully letting people talk themselves out of his lynch, and 2) attempting to discredit the person who attacked his hammer reasoning.


Anyways, I still don't think a town ZB magically creates a top 2 scum read on v7 out of nowhere like that. The timing was just too convenient. I was pretty convinced even before his reasoning for hammering, and that was just the icing on the cake.


I'm with you on this one keir. I want to lynch ZB or Drazak. Super strong reads on them and despite the protestations of many I am not convinced on the reasoning behind them being town.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2012 11:57 GMT
#657
So few posts since i went to bed t.t And drazak is making a bit of a mug of me.

drazak
09-27-2012
03:36 PM ET (US)
This game sucks, can we have an immediate gsl open 3 because this one isn't so good so far :S

On October 20 2012 09:11 drazak wrote:
Yeah, there is a reason this game was invite after the last disa-gsl, game. Of course it starts while my laptop is put of commission haha. Phpnes and multiple computers for the win.


On October 20 2012 09:27 drazak wrote:
Of course Hapa, plenty of free time as far as I know, should be posting a bunch. Also a little less afraid to post for various reasons.


What gives???
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2012 12:24 GMT
#658
On October 23 2012 13:08 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 10:01 austinmcc wrote:
On October 23 2012 10:00 marvellosity wrote:
I'm confusing myself now.

Ya. I get what you're grok-ing at, but I don't think it makes any sense.

If both the vote AND hammer were suboptimal or optimal, then I could think Z-BosoN was scum or scum mastermind. If there's a mix, then I find it more likely the townie response is real, and not the result of scum mastermind Z-BosoN, or else I would expect different play concerning the vote/hammer.

So, I've been thinking about this a lot. While I agree with your premise, I just don't agree that the hammer was suboptimal play IF Z-Bo is scum and was worried about dying. Its hard to say whether he was actually worried about dying or not, but I do think he was the second most likely possibility of being lynched, at least with the given information, behind v7.

So, yea, I think he did the optimal scum thing in both cases: 1) giving himself another day and hopefully letting people talk themselves out of his lynch, and 2) attempting to discredit the person who attacked his hammer reasoning.


Anyways, I still don't think a town ZB magically creates a top 2 scum read on v7 out of nowhere like that. The timing was just too convenient. I was pretty convinced even before his reasoning for hammering, and that was just the icing on the cake.


Kei, why is it too convenient? Can you explain that please?

I had a look at Z-Bo's filter from Liquid City. He sheeped on to Node with very little explanation, only after being prodded explaining that it was a policy lynch because he couldn't find anything better. Perhaps the starkest difference is that he went "fuck it, I'm voting coag", taking his own path. But he was lynching coag for being contentless and not scumhunting, similar to vader.

I don't really see why in a 9 player mini like this his behaviour is marked as so drastically different. I get the feeling that people are wielding meta in a far too particular, minutiae manner. Most of my meta reads are pretty broad stroke - e.g. Rockband, Palmar - doesn't give a shit about town, Hiro - less invested but capable of long analysis posts. Rather than "I don't think he does this particular thing in this situation"

As one of the hosts in his scum game, my main feeling was that he wasn't that invested in town until things started getting heated day 3, whereas my feeling this game is that he is much more invested than that. That, my friends, is MY meta read.

What say you rabble? ^^


[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 23 2012 12:27 GMT
#659
Small aside - we now have more posts than GSL II already.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 23 2012 13:27 GMT
#660
i want everyone to look at the player list and tell me with v7 flipping at town what fucking possible partner for drazek would allow some of the supid shit that drazek has said.

and this action takes the cake.

On October 23 2012 05:43 drazak wrote:
About which?


he gets asked a direct question and abandons the thread. i know wifom wifom wifom but come on dont you think he would be able to ask his scum buddy for some advice if he were scum. That would make more sense from my view.

Even me a newish player would be able to help him a little bit.

Im just not buying drazak as scum.
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