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marvellosity
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
On October 23 2012 22:37 marvellosity wrote: that IS wifom wifom wifom and is a terrible reason for anything. Then whats his fucking strategy play terrible on purpose a scum drazak would have a partner that is a fact.i dont see anyone on the player list that would allow this to happen. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 23 2012 22:45 iamperfection wrote: Then whats his fucking strategy play terrible on purpose a scum drazak would have a partner that is a fact.i dont see anyone on the player list that would allow this to happen. Newbie scums don't just sit around in scumQTs waiting to be told what to post and waiting for advice. In LV I bussed the shit out of 4 newbie scum partners because I couldn't prevent them being liabilities. In Liquid City, ShiaoPi (not an idiot at all) posted some NK speculation and in scumQT I went "arg, don't post shit like that, people jump all over that!" and hey presto, BlazingHand jumped all over it. I'm a fucking control freak as scum and if I can't stop people doing whatever then I don't see who can. If you're giving him townie points for that, you're doing it wrong, dear. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 23 2012 21:24 marvellosity wrote: Kei, why is it too convenient? Can you explain that please? I had a look at Z-Bo's filter from Liquid City. He sheeped on to Node with very little explanation, only after being prodded explaining that it was a policy lynch because he couldn't find anything better. Perhaps the starkest difference is that he went "fuck it, I'm voting coag", taking his own path. But he was lynching coag for being contentless and not scumhunting, similar to vader. I don't really see why in a 9 player mini like this his behaviour is marked as so drastically different. I get the feeling that people are wielding meta in a far too particular, minutiae manner. Most of my meta reads are pretty broad stroke - e.g. Rockband, Palmar - doesn't give a shit about town, Hiro - less invested but capable of long analysis posts. Rather than "I don't think he does this particular thing in this situation" As one of the hosts in his scum game, my main feeling was that he wasn't that invested in town until things started getting heated day 3, whereas my feeling this game is that he is much more invested than that. That, my friends, is MY meta read. What say you rabble? ^^ What is there to explain? The first time he EVER mentioned v7 was when v7 already had 3 votes. Rather than talking about v7 and trying to figure out v7's alignment, ZB just randomly threw his name into the his scum reads list without any reasoning whatsoever. Also: On October 22 2012 08:00 marvellosity wrote: I'm wary of meta in Kei's case is because I know how aware of it he is. The little fucker correctly metaing kush as town on how I hard-defended him in Liquid. So which is it? Do I understand how to use meta, or don't I? Anyways, I wasn't really making a specific meta read. Just that I don't remember anything that blatantly "bad" from Z-Bo in any of the games of his that I've obsed. I'll take a look back at the Liquid City stuff. I missed that part of day 1  | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Let me know what you think about Liquid anyway. On October 23 2012 23:26 Keirathi wrote: Anyways, I wasn't really making a specific meta read. Just that I don't remember anything that blatantly "bad" from Z-Bo in any of the games of his that I've obsed. Except that *is* a specific meta read, you're saying his one post/one action here is scummy because you don't remember other such instances. As opposed to trends/tone/investment that I was getting at, which that is not. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 22 2012 08:03 marvellosity wrote: eh, I meant that in general you have a strong grasp of meta and its uses. Fine. The first one said aware. This one clearly says you think I know how to use meta correctly. And, really, it IS using trends. A trend that, throughout all of his games that I've watched, he has good reasoning for changing his scum reads, not magically pulls names out of thin air just because they're being talked about/voted (although maybe the Node thing shoots this out of the water). Looking back through ZB's filter again, the only opinions he gave on v7 throughout the ENTIRE day, despite being one of his top scumreads for most of it, were: On October 21 2012 22:16 Z-BosoN wrote: My top suspicions, nevertheless, are iamperfection, Keirathi and v7. I will not be placing my vote on v7 yet, at least until he has a chance to defend himself and make any sort of contribution. I feel his absence is not necessarily alignment-indicative, for now. On October 22 2012 00:39 Z-BosoN wrote: From playing every single fucking him he's on, DP's meta seems to be pretty much like his townie one. Or he has learned the fine art of faking his town day1 meta. Let us wait and see. Right now I do not want to lynch either DP or Drazak. Hapa and marv will evidently have to wait (though I'm a bit weary of you both). Can't make scum reads out of iamp, austin. So, in my POV, that leaves Keir and v7 to be lynched. v7 is certainly looking like the more juicier target. I'm not sure I want to kill him just yet before he's had a chance to defend himself. What do you guys propose? On October 22 2012 04:25 Z-BosoN wrote: I'm seriously looking into Keir/v7. Since Keir is actually showing his face, I'm almost almost almost willing to plunge the hammer on v7. I can't think of a better lynch than him, and his absence is just dragging the game out. (Note that v7 hadn't come back to the thread at that time. But I guess its been long enough that we can kill him now?) On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote: First of all, there's not really much to say on v7. Those are the only times he gave any kind of opinion or reads about his top scum read, that I can find, until his big "case". On October 23 2012 08:39 Z-BosoN wrote: vaderseven v7's play is extremely lynch-worthy. For some reason, he is only posting via his phone, and that's why his posts feel disconnected from the thread. I don't understand this, however, makes little sense why he wouldn't post from his computer at all, both from a scum and from a town perspective. However, he banks himself on experience, says he's playing a bunch of games. The general tone of his posts during the game are much different from the pre game one. Compare: To: . Extremely big change. Why is he only posting from his phone? Why would he join the game if he's on 14-hours work days? Doesn't really make much sense. He could be faking his meta or something like that, for whatever reason. I just can't understand him... First off, I've already explained how his logic about the phone thing is contradictory. Why did he pick the phone posting, out of all the excuses v7 was giving, as the ONE that he believed and not any of the others? Then he said "Extremely big change [in tone]", without explaining it. I don't see an extremely big change in tone, aside from the situation being different because he's under pressure, and the fact that it looks like a phone post because of the typos. Nothing about that "case" was vote worthy. I certainly don't fault people for voting for a guy who wasn't posting at all, but those reasons ZB gave feel extremely forced and fake. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
I found it unnecessary to explain v7 the first time around and that's pretty much it. Don't know why you are seeing it as blatantly "bad". Dp, so I'm scum because I didn't do what you expected me to do, because you've never seen me sheep? First of all, that's incredibly weak. It's not like you know me or what the hell is going on through my mind. Also, when someone's getting lynched, I try to read their filter thinking the exact opposite - thinking that I'm trying to convince myself that the lynch is bad an I should say the opposite. This is why I didn't hammer v7 the first time around, and you can see in my filter I'm clearly puzzled. The second time around, after 72h without any sort of real contribution from him, you and kei are asking why I hammered him? marv brings up a good point from liquid city, I voted coag for the exact reasons I voted v7. Does it really matter if I'm sheeping or not? I vote who I feel needs the best lynch. You both are really way off in regards to me. Get your heads straight - I'm not the one solely responsible for v7's lynch and stop treating me as such. It's gonna be a pain if town gets mighty suspicious of the guy doing the hammer vote every single time. You both are saying this is not it, but funnily enough, this states all of iamp's reasoning for voting v7: As for scum i really like the points that austin brought up about vaderseven. He really talks about himself a lot in his first few posts and not really much at all concerning this game I wants this sob to talk. ## Vote Vaderseven If this had been the hammer vote you'd all be all over him, 100%. Get a grip. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
So this: Nothing about that "case" was vote worthy. I certainly don't fault people for voting for a guy who wasn't posting at all, but those reasons ZB gave feel extremely forced and fake. Makes me 99.99% scum. Yea... | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 24 2012 00:23 Z-BosoN wrote: lol kei. So this: Makes me 99.99% scum. Yea... No. That was the icing on the cake. Your other opinions about v7, whom you claimed to have a top scum read on but never spent ANY time discussing, is what convinced me first. Forced/fake read to justify your hammer just pushed it up to 99%. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Marv, what do you make of my pre-night post on him? While I was making that case I had trouble drawing any strong conclusions. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Gonna keep quoting this every time now, until you get through your thick head that this makes perfect sense for me being town rather than me being scum: I found it unnecessary to explain v7 the first time around and that's pretty much it. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 24 2012 00:18 Keirathi wrote: And, really, it IS using trends. A trend that, throughout all of his games that I've watched, he has good reasoning for changing his scum reads, not magically pulls names out of thin air just because they're being talked about/voted (although maybe the Node thing shoots this out of the water). ------ First off, I've already explained how his logic about the phone thing is contradictory. Why did he pick the phone posting, out of all the excuses v7 was giving, as the ONE that he believed and not any of the others? Then he said "Extremely big change [in tone]", without explaining it. I don't see an extremely big change in tone, aside from the situation being different because he's under pressure, and the fact that it looks like a phone post because of the typos. Nothing about that "case" was vote worthy. I certainly don't fault people for voting for a guy who wasn't posting at all, but those reasons ZB gave feel extremely forced and fake. Ok, so with the Node knowledge, where does that leave you exactly? And what do you see as the scum motivation for coming up with reasons you deem ridiculous, when he could easily have said anything much more sensible sounding if he just wanted to hammer? Actually that question is kinda icky, but I'd like you to answer anyways | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 24 2012 00:26 Z-BosoN wrote: Anyways, I'm really interested at why drazak is inactive. He really has some clearing up to do. Marv, what do you make of my pre-night post on him? While I was making that case I had trouble drawing any strong conclusions. You had trouble drawing strong conclusions because it's hard to distinguish between simply a newbie newbin' and scummy newbin' He's out in the big bad world of non-newbie games now, and that's a bit of a shock to the system. On like my 3rd game? I think of TL Mafia, I got mislynched for the only time as town because I casted around like a directionless balloon, even though in my newbie game I'd made a good case on scum and argued for my life at LYLO to get the win. The biggest thing I take from your segment is the part where he's "less afraid to post" but then at the same time is thinking about how he/people appear to others. Plus it doesn't line up with his more recent play, where he's been cajoled to post rather than doing so freely. I've been leaning town because of sincerity and investment, but the more time goes by the less invested he seems. And it's a simple fact that in general scum find it much harder to post than town (you'll find practically no-one who gets longer filters with scum than town). Basically I really want the dude to fucking post, because lynching a lurking newbie Day 2 feels terribly risky without more stuff to get a read on. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Apart from the whole "what scumbuddy would allow this" train of thought, what are your thoughts on drazak? Do you still stick with "said some things too odd/dumb to be scum"? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
On October 24 2012 00:56 austinmcc wrote: iamperfection, Apart from the whole "what scumbuddy would allow this" train of thought, what are your thoughts on drazak? Do you still stick with "said some things too odd/dumb to be scum"? obviously i looked through his filter and its awful but his latest actions just straighten my too stupid theory. Maybe that's not textbook scum hunting but i don't particularly care I'm pretty sure I'm right. drazak looks to me like he is a lost useless townie. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 24 2012 01:08 iamperfection wrote: obviously i looked through his filter and its awful but his latest actions just straighten my too stupid theory. Maybe that's not textbook scum hunting but i don't particularly care I'm pretty sure I'm right. drazak looks to me like he is a lost useless townie. Okay, just checking on that. | ||
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iamperfection
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iamperfection
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iamperfection
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 24 2012 00:27 Z-BosoN wrote: @Kei Gonna keep quoting this every time now, until you get through your thick head that this makes perfect sense for me being town rather than me being scum: How does that make you town? v7 was important enough for you to have a scum read on him, but not important enough to talk about? | ||
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