EPTI think your point about iamp calling me scum but keeping his vote on v7 would be the strongest point you made, BUT, he also said he had a very strong scum read on v7. It would make sense, if iamp is town, to leave his vote on one strong read when the other strong read isn't gaining any traction.
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Keirathi
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I think your point about iamp calling me scum but keeping his vote on v7 would be the strongest point you made, BUT, he also said he had a very strong scum read on v7. It would make sense, if iamp is town, to leave his vote on one strong read when the other strong read isn't gaining any traction. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
On October 24 2012 03:42 Hapahauli wrote: @ iamperfection You not pushing your case isn't the main issue here (well it IS an issue, but not the main point). The concern I have is that you basically called Kei scum, and simply left your vote on v7 the entire time. What you post after the fact - what you said you should have done in retrospect - has no bearing on what you did. i believe i chimed in from my phone. i couldn't be involved sorry? i guess. had work. And you know what even if was here i still would have left my vote on vaderseven the guy did nothing to make me think he was town. so basically your case boils down to i didnt act like you. Vaderseven came across to me like he was full of crap so i make no apologies for leaving my vote on him. | ||
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Keirathi
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austinmcc
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On October 24 2012 04:29 Keirathi wrote: @austin: you realize cop, if we have one, is parity cop. Right? It's a pretty significant distinction. Nope, I don't, because I'm a tard. No wonder cop seemed so strong in this setup, lol. | ||
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austinmcc
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 24 2012 04:25 iamperfection wrote: i believe i chimed in from my phone. i couldn't be involved sorry? i guess. had work. And you know what even if was here i still would have left my vote on vaderseven the guy did nothing to make me think he was town. so basically your case boils down to i didnt act like you. Vaderseven came across to me like he was full of crap so i make no apologies for leaving my vote on him. These are the kind of posts that are making me suspicious of iamp again. It's just so...not iamp. Town iamp doesn't give a fuck what you think about him. He explains himself when he feels like it, and doesn't care how bad the explanation is. He certainly doesnt apologize, even sarcastically. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 24 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding my Scumreads Iamperfection Marvellosity The gist of it is that Marv's posting is really detached from this game, and is something I never see in his town games, but very frequently in his "lazier" scumgames. Iamperfection also has this golden post here: ...where he basically calls Kei scum outright on Day 1 yet keeps his vote on v7 the entire day. I'm also sure I'm not mis-interpreting his "candle-light vigil" comment since he clarified his scumread on Kei here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=31#607 Also, I noticed that he had an "FOS" on me right after the lynch deadline, but has done nothing so far to push his read, despite me not posting in the thread at all in the last ~16 hours or so. He's also just really really sure about Draz being town, which is odd to me. I know I had a town read on Draz before, but so clearly declaring him town is completely unjustified in light of his complete absence from the thread after early D1. Hapa, you've gravely misrepresented what happened in the thread. Like Kei the strongest point looked to be the vader/kei thing. So I dug through his filter to look for how hard he was going at either. + Show Spoiler + On October 21 2012 12:36 iamperfection wrote: As for scum i really like the points that austin brought up about vaderseven. He really talks about himself a lot in his first few posts and not really much at all concerning this game I wants this sob to talk. ## Vote Vaderseven On October 21 2012 23:23 iamperfection wrote: guys guys guys me keen detective mind has picked up on something. Vaderseven said he would post after work and you look through the thread VERY closely you will notice that he in fact did not do that. I don't know what kind of job vader has but ill i know is i went to bed and he hadn't posted and he has still not posted after i have gotten up. Seriously though i think that saying your gonna do something and not doing it is one of the worst things you can do. Its a stalling tactic and i DEMAND vaderseven get in here and fast preferably . On October 22 2012 02:12 iamperfection wrote: bullshit he is scum for what he has done in this game. his posts are basically all talking about himself and he barely commented on anything else Also dont you think he would learn from his failure from last game and wouldn't do what he did. V7 is scum for his actions in this game. and....... this is a phone post if i ever saw one Meaning he has the ability to check the thread. The least he could do is check in.He hasn't. i have a big scum read on him. On October 22 2012 09:21 iamperfection wrote: still would rather have v7 go over anybody though On October 22 2012 11:00 iamperfection wrote: I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy You now move from my scum category to super scum category. come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all. On October 22 2012 11:16 iamperfection wrote: yes i think refusal to give reads on players is bullshit and its scum behavior. Same goes for you Keirathi. On October 22 2012 22:47 iamperfection wrote: i would hold a candle light vigil in your honor if you flipped town. i think its a moot point to keep hammering this point. you even said yourself its a terrible mindset that has gotten you lynched in the past. also its concerning that you called out for it in gsl I. you were scum remember. Me representing the town i am asking you to change nay begging you to change. If you are scum continue i have no problem pushing a lynch on you at this point. Shape up or die. The spoiler above contains the most pertinent posts regarding vader and Keirathi up to the post that you quote as 'golden'. iamp is pushing vader pretty hard for not contributing anything, and only towards the end, does he start pushing Keirathi for the same reason: "Same for you Keirathi" Keirathi then asks iamp, "what would you do if I flipped town?" and iamp responded with his candelight vigil comment. The comment was not, as I read it, a statement of certainty, on its own, of how scummy he found Keirathi. It was a direct response to a question which... how are you supposed to answer? If you asked me what would I do if I lynched you and you flipped town, what exactly would you be expecting me to say in this situation? vader was clearly iamp's main scumread through day 1, and this is clear to anyone looking at his filter with any sort of critical, or even just browsing, eye. The fact that you're representing otherwise is downright scummy and I want an explanation. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
On October 24 2012 05:23 Keirathi wrote: These are the kind of posts that are making me suspicious of iamp again. It's just so...not iamp. Town iamp doesn't give a fuck what you think about him. He explains himself when he feels like it, and doesn't care how bad the explanation is. He certainly doesnt apologize, even sarcastically. you dont understand iamperfection as much as iamperfection does. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On October 24 2012 04:39 austinmcc wrote: Hapa, does iamperfection's very early vote on DP affect your read at all? No, he's capable of doing that as both alignments. He voted early as scum in Aperture 2 Mafia, and votes early as town a lot in his other games. In fact, I find him pointing to his GSL II meta in his defense really odd, since Aperture 2 was his most recent scumgame. On October 24 2012 04:24 Keirathi wrote: I think your point about iamp calling me scum but keeping his vote on v7 would be the strongest point you made, BUT, he also said he had a very strong scum read on v7. It would make sense, if iamp is town, to leave his vote on one strong read when the other strong read isn't gaining any traction. This is a valid point, however, I still think he's scum for additional reasons mentioned in my case (strangely confident Draz town read, un-pushed FOS on me). I also liked the point about how apologetic he is that you brought up. It's very different from townie iamp. His entire defense to me also has been really really passive, which IMO confirms my read on him. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Regarding iamp's "candle-light" thing, I initially thought that was the case as well (responding to Kei). However, iamperfection's more recent post (his clarification of that post) suggests my interpretation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=31#607 In it, he very clearly refers to that post as having a scumread on him. Regarding misrepresenting iamp's suspicions (in particular the vote on v7 vs. Kei's suspicions) Yah that's totally my bad. However, my other points still stand, namely his random FOS on me, his town read on Draz, and more recently, his uncharacteristically passive defense. And btw, I find it funny you still haven't commented on iamperfection's alignment at all. But I'm working on a case on you anyway - it'll take a little while to type. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 24 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote: @ Marv Regarding iamp's "candle-light" thing, I initially thought that was the case as well (responding to Kei). However, iamperfection's more recent post (his clarification of that post) suggests my interpretation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=31#607 In it, he very clearly refers to that post as having a scumread on him. Regarding misrepresenting iamp's suspicions (in particular the vote on v7 vs. Kei's suspicions) Yah that's totally my bad. However, my other points still stand, namely his random FOS on me, his town read on Draz, and more recently, his uncharacteristically passive defense. And btw, I find it funny you still haven't commented on iamperfection's alignment at all. But I'm working on a case on you anyway - it'll take a little while to type. Marv clearly said earlier that he was getting townie vibes from iamp. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
On October 24 2012 06:31 Hapahauli wrote: No, he's capable of doing that as both alignments. He voted early as scum in Aperture 2 Mafia, and votes early as town a lot in his other games. In fact, I find him pointing to his GSL II meta in his defense really odd, since Aperture 2 was his most recent scumgame. This is a valid point, however, I still think he's scum for additional reasons mentioned in my case (strangely confident Draz town read, un-pushed FOS on me). I also liked the point about how apologetic he is that you brought up. It's very different from townie iamp. His entire defense to me also has been really really passive, which IMO confirms my read on him. who thought kush was town even after a red check from a dt. iamperfection thats who My town reads are usally right and i am confident in this one so that makes me scum fuck you and fuck you to Keirathi if i want to defend myself i will so screw you. i am very confident that one of you two is scum and now im leaning more towards hapa because hes say im being passive fuck you im right here say what you have to say. Come 1 on 1 with the perfect one. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
On October 24 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote: @ Marv Regarding iamp's "candle-light" thing, I initially thought that was the case as well (responding to Kei). However, iamperfection's more recent post (his clarification of that post) suggests my interpretation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=31#607 In it, he very clearly refers to that post as having a scumread on him. Regarding misrepresenting iamp's suspicions (in particular the vote on v7 vs. Kei's suspicions) Yah that's totally my bad. However, my other points still stand, namely his random FOS on me, his town read on Draz, and more recently, his uncharacteristically passive defense. And btw, I find it funny you still haven't commented on iamperfection's alignment at all. But I'm working on a case on you anyway - it'll take a little while to type. fucking random it aint random at all you twist my words and make shit out of nothing and im supposed to think your town fuck you. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On October 24 2012 06:39 Keirathi wrote: Marv clearly said earlier that he was getting townie vibes from iamp. Well I mean sufficient comments - just saying "townie vibes" isn't exactly useful. And geezus iamp - all of a sudden you bring the bravado the second Kei and I call you out for it? | ||
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Hapahauli
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
On October 24 2012 06:43 Hapahauli wrote: But one thing about Kei's observations about your "defense" is that you generally don't give a shit about explaining yourself or suspicions against you. You just went from passive to screaming "fuck fuck fuck" in the span of five minutes - that's not exactly normal for townie you. because i started to actually read what was written about me and i didn't like it. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 24 2012 06:31 Hapahauli wrote: No, he's capable of doing that as both alignments. He voted early as scum in Aperture 2 Mafia, and votes early as town a lot in his other games. In fact, I find him pointing to his GSL II meta in his defense really odd, since Aperture 2 was his most recent scumgame. This is a valid point, however, I still think he's scum for additional reasons mentioned in my case (strangely confident Draz town read, un-pushed FOS on me). I also liked the point about how apologetic he is that you brought up. It's very different from townie iamp. His entire defense to me also has been really really passive, which IMO confirms my read on him. On phone. I know he had the early vote in aperture, but that's a game I don't want to draw parallels from really because he got injured and couldn't really play. I'll take another look at gsl2, died too early to get a feel for his play after d1 but I remember his posting d1 being almost entirely one-liners that didn't say much | ||
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