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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Day 2 Vote Count furerkip (0) hyaach (6) Snarfs Shraft MrZentor Blazinghand Navillus Artanis[Xp] Blazinghand (5) VisceraEyes ghost_403 Katina hyaach zelblade zelblade (0) ghost_403 (0) The day ends in 4 hours at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
I'm not switching my vote off Blazinghand, Hyaach's claim makes sense. It does not make sense for him to claim being RB'd as Mafia. Futhermore as he said, the most likely thing that happened during the night was that Blazinghand sent in the Mafia hit and he was RB'd | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
At the start of the day I believed that bh wasnt lying. Well until ghost brought up the meta changes that is. I can understand him wanting to change his playstyle.... But i think that he would have said something like "I'm going to try to be less agressive" pretend if that was the case no? A minor point of course. I am unsure about his reaction regarding pandain's claim. I definitely think him playing it off was possible, but I found this post wierd. On June 06 2012 11:18 Blazinghand wrote: dude you are aware there are like RBs and shit in this game Note the this is an instant reaction. Let's say someone claims a role that you have and it is exteremly unlikely there are two of the same role. Wouldt you stop for a little while and give it some thought about how you are going to react to what is very possibly a fakeclaim? I don't see why he would post this. By the way, this is before where bh claims he realized he slipped so.... It's not a cover up. What is really bugging me is this - why in the world would a scum bh claim vig? It makes no sense. He didn't know he was getting roleblocked, and doing so would force a 1-1 trade with hyaach at best. Onto hyaach, he has given me scum vibes at the start of the game. Not going to elaborate but his general posting and luckiness made me feel off about him. Claiming rb as scum makes sense, I already explained why somewhere in my filter, so this is a null tell. His jailkeeper claim is sketchy too. Exteremly convenient. The lack of a town rb claiming (not exsisting or simply not willing to claim?) weakens it quite a bit. I can see ehat he means when he says that he shot down every jk scinerio though. It's definitely possible that was faked. However, I'm actually inclined to believe this claim since my gut says so. His recent posting seem to have a fearless aura which makes me feel that he's town. I'm going to just go with bh I guess. ##unvote ##vote: blazinghand | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Another point against bh is how he voted ghost. It does feel like he is overreacting. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
Remember, if you vote for me, you're saying "yeah, the scum didn't RB their shooting target N1 like every TL town does. Instead, they RBed Hyaach, who was totally a threat to them at the time. Also, we have both an RB and a JK in this game" Is anyone whose vote is on me around? Can we discuss this? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 10 2012 04:29 Blazinghand wrote: God, has it ever occurred to anyone that this "town RB" that is required for Hyaach's explanation to exist hasn't claimed because he doesn't exist? Clearly the real town JK isn't claiming because claiming right now would be terrible. But why'd he lie about getting RBed? All it did was strengthen the Hyaach vs BH situation (i.e. made it seem more likely that one of you are scum) which is something he would want to avoid if he is scum. I still haven't really decided who to vote for, actually. I am considering switching my vote onto you, but I have not made up my mind yet. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
On June 10 2012 05:16 Shraft wrote: But why'd he lie about getting RBed? All it did was strengthen the Hyaach vs BH situation (i.e. made it seem more likely that one of you are scum) which is something he would want to avoid if he is scum. I still haven't really decided who to vote for, actually. I am considering switching my vote onto you, but I have not made up my mind yet. But why would a town JK Hyaach even claim? It didn't help his case at all. Either way you look at it, Hyaach is a scummy and not-great player who made sub-optimal decisions, so you can't just say "well it's illogical if he's scum" because it's also illogical if he's town. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 09 2012 21:39 Shraft wrote: It is not that easy. If you assume that there is only a vig and a Mafia RB, you would still have to explain why Hyaach would lie about getting getting about 5-6 hours after BH had already claimed his roleblock. It makes no sense to lie about that as scum. It was looking like either one of them was going to get lynched. Claiming a power role if you know mafia has one isn't a bad idea, especially if it means you either get the other guy mislynched first or expose a town power role that was forced to counterclaim. It seems like a decent strategy from the position he was in. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 10 2012 05:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It was looking like either one of them was going to get lynched. Claiming a power role if you know mafia has one isn't a bad idea, especially if it means you either get the other guy mislynched first or expose a town power role that was forced to counterclaim. It seems like a decent strategy from the position he was in. If you read more carefully, you'll notice that I am talking about his RB claim, not his JK claim. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 10 2012 06:01 Shraft wrote: If you read more carefully, you'll notice that I am talking about his RB claim, not his JK claim. Ah, my bad. Guess I have an hour to think about that and read back a bit. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
On June 10 2012 06:01 Shraft wrote: If you read more carefully, you'll notice that I am talking about his RB claim, not his JK claim. Well, if Shraft was RBed, he has to claim it, doesn't he? If he doesn't claim it, the real JK knows he's hiding it and is scum. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 10 2012 06:07 Blazinghand wrote: Well, if Shraft was RBed, he has to claim it, doesn't he? If he doesn't claim it, the real JK knows he's hiding it and is scum. You are missing the point. Read his original reason for voting. We are arguing from the premise that there is only one roleblocker, meaning that either you or Hyaach is scum. Voting for Hyaach means that he has to explain why Hyaach fake-claimed RB 6 hours after you claimed your roleblock. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
On June 10 2012 06:15 Shraft wrote: You are missing the point. Read his original reason for voting. We are arguing from the premise that there is only one roleblocker, meaning that either you or Hyaach is scum. Voting for Hyaach means that he has to explain why Hyaach fake-claimed RB 6 hours after you claimed your roleblock. I'm arguing from the premise that there is a scum RB and a town JK. In this possibility, I was RBed by scum AND shot by scum. Hyaach was delivering the shot, but he was roleblocked by the town JK. Granted, there could be a single town JK and no scum RB, and the town JK saved me and Hyaach fakeclaimed being RBed. But is that really more likely than "our JK JKed Hyaach, so he had to claim it, and scum stacked their RB on their night kill as they normally do"? I think my scenario is more reasonable, and explains why Hyaach claimed an RB. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
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