EPTOn June 09 2012 16:54 Hyaach wrote:
And you would know how WGB gave out his roles?
And you would know how WGB gave out his roles?
Well you seem to quite well, mr "There must be an RB in addition to a JK"
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Well you seem to quite well, mr "There must be an RB in addition to a JK" | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
I'm gonna head to bed. I'll be back before the lynch. Do the right thing. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
How was i suppose to comment on your 'supposed' vig shot. I wasn't gonna claim. I tried to get people to realize the JK scenario does not exist and figure out why I'm so sure of it. With 14 hours or so till deadline, and me sleeping for 8 hours. I only have 6 hours to convince people. People are missing the crumbs i laid. The JK scenario does not exist. So for you to be VIG. There has to be a town RB mafia RB and town JK. or Mafia RB, town JK, SK. That is what is making your claim sketchy. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:55 Blazinghand wrote: Well you seem to quite well, mr "There must be an RB in addition to a JK" lol and we would know VIG is present in this set up? Like I said there is no way to prove you are VIG after last night But I can proved I am JK come night. I can JK anyone town ask and that person would get a RB notification regardless if they have a night action or not. (I asked WBG). | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:55 Blazinghand wrote: Well you seem to quite well, mr "There must be an RB in addition to a JK" Stop twisting my words. I said its possible. What make us so sure a VIG is even present? | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
If you lynch me and I flipped. Just remember, he has no way to proved himself after last night. Lynch him or WIFOM with him all you like ##UNVOTE ##VOTE : BlazingHand | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
My reads so far have definitely favored BH as a townie, honestly I don't really know his meta so those arguments haven't made a big impact on me (I'm not ignoring it but if this is some massive break then I wouldn't notice) and absent meta he has been playing what looks like a very townie game to me. His claim helps here especially over hyaach's claim as he took a shot that was good for town, he explained himself clearly and came right out with it with reasons to come out (it clearly couldn't hurt as he was 1 shot). Hyaach on the other hand has been suspicious, cryptic and lurky and his claim comes at a weird time and doesn't really clear anything up, so - ##Vote Hyaach | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
I tried to explain it thru analysis. But you guys are cannot figure it out so i had to come out. Futhermore i can prove myself. Can BH prove himself tonight? no he cannot | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Also hyaach who did you try to jail last night and why (yes I know you got rb'd but who did you try to jail) My vote is still on furekip because I haven't decided who is lookin worse. Dont worry going to switch for sure. I am currently not at home and posting on my phone is a pain so I'll post more when I get onto a computer | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
Hyaach said that he tried to jail VE. I agree that if we have a town RB, he should claim. I don't think the chance of blocking another Mafia NK is high, and I think the advantage of having two almost confirmed townies (RB + BH/Hyaach) is bigger than that of having a "non-claimed" RB. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote: Hyaach | ||
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Hyaach
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 09 2012 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay, it seems that for Hyaach to be town there needs to be both a Town roleblocker and a Jailkeeper. For Blazinghand's claim, there just needs to be a vig and a mafia roleblocker. Going to go occam's razor on this. ##Unvote ##Vote: Hyaach It is not that easy. If you assume that there is only a vig and a Mafia RB, you would still have to explain why Hyaach would lie about getting getting about 5-6 hours after BH had already claimed his roleblock. It makes no sense to lie about that as scum. | ||
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Shraft
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Hyaach
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VisceraEyes
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Shraft
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Red name means Scum and green name means Town. + Show Spoiler [Assuming that no one lied about being…] + Scenario 1: BH | Hyaach Comments: Is it likely that we have a vigilante, Town RB, and Scum RB? Why would Hyaach claim JK? Scenario 2: BH | Hyaach Comments: For this to work we need to have Scum RB, Town RB and a JK (if Hyaach isn't fake-claiming JK while still being town). Is claiming vigilante worth it for BH? Scenario 3: BH | Hyaach Comments: Highly unlikely. If no one of them are fake-claiming there needs to be a lot of power roles in this game, and why would they be fake-claiming if they are town? Scenario 4: BH | Hyaach Comments : Very unlikely. If this is true they are pulling some huge stunt in order to trick the Town. + Show Spoiler [Assuming that the one being Scum is ly…] + Scenario 5: BH | Hyaach Comments: Why would Hyaach lie about getting roleblocked 5-6 hours after BH claimed his roleblock? It does not make sense. This scenario is not likely. Scenario 6: BH | Hyaach Comments: Why would BH fake claim vig? I don't think the gains outweighs the risks. People were not super suspicious of him at his time of claiming, and claiming only leads to drawing more attention, something that you want to avoid as Scum. However, it could lead to getting a bit more Town credibility (not enough to justify fake-claiming, in my opinion). I have omitted scenarios where the Townie lies about getting roleblocked, as I don't think that fake-claiming a roleblock makes any sense whatsoever as Town. Out of these scenarios I think that scenario one, two and six are much more likely than the others, so in the end it boils down to whose claim I think is more trustworthy. I think that the best way to handle this situation is to have our Town RB (if we have one) claim. Also, if the Town RB does not claim, he's either stupid or he does not exist. If we assume that he is not stupid (meaning that he does not exist) we can rule out scenario one and two, leaving only scenario six remaining. Am I oversimplifying things or does anyone else think that this makes sense? TL;DR: Best way of solving this is to have our Town RB claim. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
I don't now what to make of hyaachs claim. This is exactly when he should claim, provided he really is the JK. I don't see why he would lie about the role block regardless of his alignment. This means we're still stuck trying to explain why there was no NK last night. | ||
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