EPTAlso I wouldn't mind lynching mrz but I want to get this hyaach bh shit settled today.
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Also I wouldn't mind lynching mrz but I want to get this hyaach bh shit settled today. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 09 2012 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote: No sir...I posted like the exact same thing when I saw his claim...saying that isn't "soft-claiming" vig it's knowing his claim was bullshit when it was. Well yeah, from your perspective, sure, it's not soft-claiming. But you're not worried about a soft-claim cause you're not a vigi. If you're a vigi, you worry about these things more. Something that might seem innocuous if said by a townie seems weird after you've posted it. It's a matter of perspective. On June 09 2012 10:29 zelblade wrote: Hey so bh why has your posting style changed so much? Also I wouldn't mind lynching mrz but I want to get this hyaach bh shit settled today. Man I don't get where people are saying there's some massive shift in my posting style. I'm trying to hunt scum, some guy claimed my role, and it's a situation I hadn't been in before. Naturally, I was more cautious, as I explained before. I didn't want to roleclaim to deal with it. Look I think today we should focus on lynching Hyaach. I don't like MrZ and I don't like Furerkip but Hyaach is supremely unlikely to be town given what happened overnight. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
Imagine that you think that this guy is scum and he just took a gamble that there were no town vig's and now you have him red handed. Your first reaction is to say, "Ah ha! I've got you!" But immediately after you say that you think to yourself: I don't want to just up and counterclaim because of the reasons already stated: What if there's a roleblocker and you're just going to die? You'd basically have to rely on a medic who you don't even know exists to save you if you claim and you've probably just traded a blue role for a goon. Why would you do that when you can just convince everyone else to lynch the hell out of this guy and you still get to save your shot? | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On June 09 2012 07:10 Blazinghand wrote: "Oh Blazinghand what's with this point" At this point, I still thought MrZ was scum. I figured we could just lynch him, and I'd shoot Pandain, with my bullet, overnight. I knew Pandain was scum because he couldn't also be a vigi. When a vigi fake-claims, as a real vigi it's pretty standard to just shoot him to prove you're the real vigi, this was my initial plan until I got some support for the Pandain lynch. Like, you're all wondering why I stepped a bit lightly around Pandain. The reason is: you'd do the same if you're a vigi confronting a fake-vigi-claiming scum. So, VE, you're saying that you don't think that this logic makes sense? And you don't think that the fact that he was "AVOIDING DOING SCUMMY THINGS" could be attributed to a vigilante trying to survive until the night? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 09 2012 11:24 Snarfs wrote: So, VE, you're saying that you don't think that this logic makes sense? And you don't think that the fact that he was "AVOIDING DOING SCUMMY THINGS" could be attributed to a vigilante trying to survive until the night? Biggest BH scumtell: not being scummy | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
On June 09 2012 10:29 zelblade wrote: Hey so bh why has your posting style changed so much? Also I wouldn't mind lynching mrz but I want to get this hyaach bh shit settled today. Lynch anyone as long as it isnt me. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
On June 09 2012 00:03 zelblade wrote: Actually one last post before I go. Main reason I trusted BH's claim was that I didnt think that he would do it as scum. Why? Assuming that he is scum, he basically played it out such that his team RB'd hyaach, knowing that hyaach could be blamed for the NK given how scummy he is, and use the mafia's factional KP as a "vig shot". However, in this case, since he could not have predicted a roleblock on him, unless you are of course suggesting mafia held their shot (which has never been done on tlmafia btw last I checked bar 3-1 mylo situations), means that if BH was mafia and made this plan he would basically force a 1-1 trade with hyaach since one of them had to be scum in that case. He could have pulled the SK card after mislynching hyaach in this case, but it was very unlikely that it would have worked considering how he didnt exactly look stellar either. Scum probably isnt willing to pull off this sort of trade d2. (I THINK) There are a lot of things regarding BH that seem off to me though, will explain more on that tomorrow. What do you mean by off? Where's the explanation? Can you stick to a stance? You are floating along with the wind. Why so wish washy. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 09 2012 13:39 Hyaach wrote: What do you mean by off? Where's the explanation? Can you stick to a stance? You are floating along with the wind. Why so wish washy. It's also worth noting that Zelblade still has his vote on Furerkip. Zelblade, if you're really town you're wasting your vote by putting it on Furerkip. It's super super clear that hyaach or me is gonna get lynched today. Furerkip will either get modkilled for not voting, or if he ninja votes and is alive tomorrow, lynched tomorrow. By not helping out your townread out of the two of us, what do you really hope to accomplish? Navillus, you haven't voted yet either. Read my filter. Read hyaach's filter. It seems pretty clear my play has been different this game, but Pandain really threw me for a loop. I did what I could in the circumstances, to get scum lynched, and I'd do it again (though maybe not to Pandain, given that he will do shit like this as a VT). I think you know I'm town, and if so, you should vote to lynch hyaach. As it stands, Hyaach and I each have 4 votes. Hyaach has stated he'll do whatever it takes to stay alive, and no doubt this includes placing his vote on me. I'm dead at nightfall unless at least 1 or 2 of VE, Ghost, Artanis, Katina, or one of the neutral voters (Navi or Zel) swing my way. If you're the RBer or JKer, don't claim. It's not worth saving me to throw your life away. Hyaach will be lynched (maybe even ahead of Furerkip) after I flip. The case against me is almost entirely meta. In fact, the only other time I was mislynched (link) it was also due to a case based in large part on my not playing to my "meta". This sort of case is profoundly difficult to argue against, because most people play a little different every game. My play is admittedly less abrasive than it has been historically, but it's following a trendline of abrasiveness. check it out: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vYNMi.png) This exact case could have been made against me literally every game following my ban, in both LIV and LV, as I toned down and refined my play. Believe it or not, getting known as an aggressively but ultimately unhelpful player is NOT my goal on TL. And I don't view the evolution of my meta as bad in any way. Am I punching people with my posts this game? No. Is that bad? I don't think so. Did Pandain flip town? Yes. But he fake-claimed vig as a VT. I did what I thought was right. I don't want to be mislynched. I'd rather we just lynch Hyaach, scum, and thereby have an extra mislynch on the table. I get the feeling we're going to be okay this game even if we lynch me, but I'd rather that not happen. And I guess the real question to ask yourself is: until this RB question came up, you probably thought Hyaach was scum and I was town, right? Yeah, there were some weird night actions last night, but if I'm not scum, the only possibility is that scum shot Hyaach last night. Is that what you're saying? What sounds more plausible, that scum shot me, or that scum shot Hyaach, given what they knew N1? Look at what hyaach's filter looked like N1. Think about it. I can't fight the meta case very well, but I *can* show you guys how unreasonable night actions had to be for Hyaach to be town. THINK ABOUT IT. You know it's unreasonable. Vote Hyaach. Don't mislynch today. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Think about what that means. look at where Hyaach's filter was like N1. Would Mafia even perceive that kind of player as RBable or Shootable, especially with all the crap he was getting? Come on guys. See past the meta case and realize how unreasonable it is to vote me. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
Why bother to argue about game mechanics and balance like Mason claiming On June 06 2012 11:54 Blazinghand wrote: We don't have a vigi AND masons AND an additional blue role and you know it. Given that the lynch seems to have consolidated onto me (or navi), I'd be very, very surprised if a mason somehow revealing themselves would change things today, unless Navi or me are masons, in which case my idea of "don't claim D1 unless you're gonna get lynched" applies quite well. Right... but one of these two things is gonna happen ANYWAYS. all that claiming NOW does is let scum choose which one. Claiming now is terrible. 1) Whether or not VE is scummy is a function of his play, not his claim. 2) We don't know you're a vigi at the moment, as you yourself have said. 3) all of this works just as well with masons claiming N1 unless a mason is gonna get lynched, in which case they shoudl claim. MASONS: don't listen to pandain. Don't claim D1 unless you're gonna get lynched. and what does the bold post shows again? His saving crumbs for a possible fake mason claim as well? Lynch him today. Lynch Zelblade and WIFOM him and I tomorrow. Lynch me and he'll try to crawl his way out tomorrow after I flip town. His claim cannot be proven anymore after last night. Its gonna be WIFOM with him the whole way. I have not done everything I can to keep myself from getting lynched. Just read through my analysis of his post, his RB scenarios. He issketchy at best. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
Or mafia(you) shot AND rbed me last night because I was lurky as hell and am not in your scum team. blue snipe maybe? | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
Alright I'm gonna head to bed. I'll be back several hours before the lynch, but remember that a vote for me is a vote that says "Mafia either shot or RBed Hyaach last night" Or mafia(you) shot AND rbed me last night because I was lurky as hell and am not in your scum team. blue snipe maybe? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:28 Hyaach wrote: EBWOP Or mafia(you) shot AND rbed me last night because I was lurky as hell and am not in your scum team. blue snipe maybe? Right, that falls under "mafia either shot or RBed Hyaach" the idea that mafia would RB you is utterly preposterous and you know it | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:24 Hyaach wrote: Read the quote again its not just about his meta. Its about him failing to pressure Pandain after the fake claim and going up with MrZ Why bother to argue about game mechanics and balance like Mason claiming and what does the bold post shows again? His saving crumbs for a possible fake mason claim as well? Oh, of course, IT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE FOR SCUM TO FAKE A MASON CLAIM. Yeah. Clearly. That doesn't even look like a crumb for a mason claim. What the dicks are you talking about? Like, I don't even know how to argue with this. It's like I'm arguing that a certain belief is epistemologically sound and my opponent is just shouting "grail" at the top of his lungs with no context or explanation as though that's an argument. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:32 Hyaach wrote: no its not. If mafia know i wasn't in his team, why would he not try to RB me as a form of blue snipe? Because you were next on the lynch list with Zelblade after Furerkip before the night actions. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
Caps lock won't help you. Given the fake claim by Pandain and the shady claim by you. I wouldn't be surprise if you also considered doing this. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
Not letting me use my night action completely shut down my chances of proving town-ness next day. sounds like a good plan to prepare someone for lynching. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 09 2012 16:35 Hyaach wrote: its far fetched but not entirely impossible. Framer + GF mason. Caps lock won't help you. Given the fake claim by Pandain and the shady claim by you. I wouldn't be surprise if you also considered doing this. Putting stuff in bold and [bigbigbig] wont' help you either. I don't see how Pandain fake claiming makes it more likely that 2 scum would claim mason. Also, like, if you think that was a legitimate mason crumb, 2 things: 1) on a scumteam with a GF and a Framer do you think there's also an RB? 2) on a scumteam with a GF and a Framer would either of them be deliving NKs? oh and another thing: if you really believe your own idea about me setting up to fakeclaim mason, then the other scum player I was gonna fakeclaim it with should have fake-crumbed as well! instead of making weird arguments, go find it and prove yourself right. | ||
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