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On June 06 2012 11:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright, if we believe Pandain's claim, then why don't we follow up with my course of action: We lynch MrZ (or maybe Navi if he seems scummier). If MrZ flips town, sure, shoot me. But I think he's gonna flip scum.
This quote right here disproves that BH was voting for Pandain "because I'm a vig and I know that he's lying about the claim". This is part of his proof, the fact that he was so certain Pandain was lying. But he went to great lengths to explain OTHER reasons why he didn't believe Pandain's claim.
Obviously he's not going to be like "Nope, I'm a vig so you're lying" but he would at least seem to have some other unknown reason for not believing the claim, and certainly wouldn't "compromise" just to push his own agenda as he does in this post.
I wanna kill BH. Anyone with me?
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@VE: hell yeah.
##Vote Blazinghand
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Actually one last post before I go.
Main reason I trusted BH's claim was that I didnt think that he would do it as scum. Why? Assuming that he is scum, he basically played it out such that his team RB'd hyaach, knowing that hyaach could be blamed for the NK given how scummy he is, and use the mafia's factional KP as a "vig shot". However, in this case, since he could not have predicted a roleblock on him, unless you are of course suggesting mafia held their shot (which has never been done on tlmafia btw last I checked bar 3-1 mylo situations), means that if BH was mafia and made this plan he would basically force a 1-1 trade with hyaach since one of them had to be scum in that case.
He could have pulled the SK card after mislynching hyaach in this case, but it was very unlikely that it would have worked considering how he didnt exactly look stellar either. Scum probably isnt willing to pull off this sort of trade d2. (I THINK)
There are a lot of things regarding BH that seem off to me though, will explain more on that tomorrow.
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On June 08 2012 19:08 Hyaach wrote:If anyone read, I got RB last night. 2 reason. I've been read as scum and was thought I would be doing the kill last night. Are you for real? Mafia RBed me to frame me which means people who were FoS-ing me are highly suspicious. [b][big] Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 11:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright, if we believe Pandain's claim, then why don't we follow up with my course of action: We lynch MrZ (or maybe Navi if he seems scummier). If MrZ flips town, sure, shoot me. But I think he's gonna flip scum. Just this line in case people really thought of giving BH the credit of pushing the fake vig claim by Pandain.Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 11:55 Blazinghand wrote:On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote:I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful. I am also somewhat suspicious of Navillus, but it is more of a general feeling than specific evidence. "MrZ and Navi are suspicious. MrZ because of the way he posts" On June 06 2012 11:17 Pandain wrote:I honestly don't care about Zentor or navillus. They aren't posting enough to gauge an accurate read. I do care about you though. And even if you don't get lynched, I will shoot you. + Show Spoiler +Realize I accidently claimed blue, and my role isn't important enough to justify having medic protection I'm vigilante. "MrZ hasn't posted enough for me to care about" ???? contradiction?
Then this line directly contradicts himself again. Seems like his using everything Pandain said to make an easy case where Pandain looks scummy to lynch him off.
Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 07:55 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2012 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, I understand what you're saying, I do...but I'm trying to give BH the benefit of the doubt where all of that is concerned. I appreciate that you're trying to be helpful, but don't give me the benefit of the doubt. I mean, I personally like it when people agree with me, but giving people the benefit of the doubt is dangerous. Don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt-- don't ever impair your scumhunting. If you feel there's something wrong with someone's play, either make note of it and address your read accordingly or air it with the town- we'll be better off for it. This post is actually nothing but restating that fact. Never blindly trust everyone but wait, what's the message underneath it, it makes towns want to trust him because of the fact that his is "transparent" with his play. Look through his cases. it is on the easiest targets. the lurkers or people who most people agree are suspicious. that's not very telling of his alignment. I finds his day one post not deserving of a JK from town. Can anyone find any reason his a better RB target then others? Speaking of game mechanic and night action. Zelblade came back and ask another string of question about the night actions. Making himself seem useful but not contributing at the same time.
What do you Nav or Shraft or Snarf think happen inbetween the first post and 2nd post by BH?
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ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!.
BTW if you read again. BH phrased Pandain words to look like they contradict. First Pandain said, he find how MrZ phrase his words as relatively safe, remaining as a nulltell. Second post Pandian said, MrZ does not have enough post to for him to gauge him. They actually meant the same thing.
Also BH only voted after VE started the wagon. If he was so sure, why wait till VE to cast the first vote?
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On June 09 2012 00:20 Hyaach wrote:
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!.
BTW if you read again. BH phrased Pandain words to look like they contradict. First Pandain said, he find how MrZ phrase his words as relatively safe, remaining as a nulltell. Second post Pandian said, MrZ does not have enough post to for him to gauge him. They actually meant the same thing.
Also BH only voted after VE started the wagon. If he was so sure, why wait till VE to cast the first vote?
It's true. It's all about which reactions you feel are real. I don't think a vig BH would have reacted to Pandain's claim the way he did. And he certainly didn't react in the way he said he did.
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On June 08 2012 23:55 ghost_403 wrote:@shraft: Why would he wait? You think that he purposefully waited to vote to lynch the guy that he knew was lying in order to hide the fact that he might have been is the real vigilante? That seems kind of far fetched to me. In addition, if you think that's what actually happened, you have to find some kind of justification for a post like this: Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 11:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright, if we believe Pandain's claim, then why don't we follow up with my course of action: We lynch MrZ (or maybe Navi if he seems scummier). If MrZ flips town, sure, shoot me. But I think he's gonna flip scum. Blazinghand knows Pandain is lying, so why would he be willing accept lynching someone else? Blazinghand is a good player, and I've never seen him back down, even when he doesn't know he's right. Why would he be willing to back down here, when he's so sure that Pandain is lying? (Corrected your question.) You're in that it's hard to explain that vote. My only explanation would be that BH was sure that MrZ would flip scum, but it's still quite strange why he would change like that. If he was a real vigilante, he would probably be a lot more set on lynching Pandain. I might have to reconsider this situation.
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EBWOP: You're right in that it's hard to explain that quote.
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On June 09 2012 00:03 Hyaach wrote:
What do you Nav or Shraft or Snarf think happen inbetween the first post and 2nd post by BH?
To be honest, I don't really get much of your case. It's badly structured and hard to follow. Can you please point me to the two posts you are mentioning? The only thing that's valid is the part where BH tries to make it seem as if Pandain contradicted himself. (But I don't understand how BH "direcly contradicts himself" in that post.)
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What I don't understand is why a scum BH would bet his life on me being mafia.
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On June 09 2012 00:20 Hyaach wrote:
Also BH only voted after VE started the wagon. If he was so sure, why wait till VE to cast the first vote?
This I actually missed as I was only reading BH's filter. I'm going to re-read the entire Pandain-event once tonight.
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On June 09 2012 00:47 MrZentor wrote:
What I don't understand is why a scum BH would bet his life on me being mafia.
What do you mean "bet his life"?
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On June 06 2012 11:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright, if we believe Pandain's claim, then why don't we follow up with my course of action: We lynch MrZ (or maybe Navi if he seems scummier). If MrZ flips town, sure, shoot me. But I think he's gonna flip scum.
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@MrZ: I still don't follow. How does BH thinking you're scum make it less likely that BH is scum?
Also, that isn't even close to "bet his life". Given 72 hours, almost anyone could argue their way out of that one.
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Shit, how did I get to this thread? Sorry, guys. Meant to post on ABL.
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My suspicions have not changed. I don't agree with lynching Hyaach at this moment. It makes no sense for Hyaach to claim he was RB'd if he is Mafia.
We need to lynch Blazinghand today. If he flips town then we kill Hyaach.
##Vote Blazinghand
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Day 2 Vote Count
furerkip (0)
Blazinghand
VisceraEyes
hyaach (4)
Snarfs
Blazinghand
Shraft
MrZentor
Blazinghand
Blazinghand (4)
hyaach
VisceraEyes
ghost_403
Katina
Artanis[Xp]
zelblade (1)
hyaach
ghost_403 (0)
Blazinghand
The day ends in 23 hours at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Don't lurk guys, we need active townies to actively push active townie objectives....
Active...
Guys get active.
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To be honest, I think that neither BH nor hyacch is scum.
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EPT
