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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
1) I was RBed by scum, or maybe a town RB/JK 2) Hyaach was RBed or JKed by a town RB/JK 3) Scum shot an SK who took the "extra night life" option This is a way Hyaach and I could both be town, but it means there's an SK in the game and Scum shot him last night. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Imagine you are a JK who just jked say scummy player X and there was no NK. You probably suspect that X is scum and u blocked his kill, and this will be amplified especially if X doesnt claim the rb as it would show that he has something to hide. Well claiming the RB makes X look a *little* better. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On June 08 2012 20:11 zelblade wrote: There is also a reason why scum would claim them getting roleblocked even though it might make them look bad. Imagine you are a JK who just jked say scummy player X and there was no NK. You probably suspect that X is scum and u blocked his kill, and this will be amplified especially if X doesnt claim the rb as it would show that he has something to hide. Well claiming the RB makes X look a *little* better. Oh, I hadn't thought about that. So in this case, a JK JKed Hyaach, who was delivering the NK, and Hyaach HAS to claim it, since as scum, he knows it was a town JK that JKed him. If he doesn't claim it, he's obviously scum hiding it. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
On June 08 2012 19:59 zelblade wrote: Since snarfs asked here are my thoughts on ghost. I dont think that ghost is scum for now. He has been making (what I feel are valid) accusations against both furekip and zentor. I am somewhat certain furekip is scum from the no. of mafia thing, and whilst it is possible, dont think that ghost would push furekip that early and dump some suspision on him when most of the thread felt he was probably town. Of course this read is a little weak due to furekip's alignment being in question in itself but I am quite certain that furekip will flip scum. Regarding hyaach I found his first post coming off as a little off, which is primilarly why I questioned it. Might have been due to the fact the post was somewhat unclear, but I did find him saying that claiming miller (optimal move imo) took "balls" a littler wierd. Its wierd that he tries to push attention onto me + furekip when snarfs calls him out of lurking. I also highly doubt scum would RB him and its actually more likely that hyaach got JK'd. You post about me ask relatively safe questions without committing to a stance. You post with BH talks about night kill actions without contributing a read. I have address snarf's suspicion of me and at the same thing ask him why tunnel me over the likes of you. In all your replies to me JK RB argument with BH. you have not once thought of me as town. Not even the slightest scenario that I could turn out town not pro-town at all. Why? because you know I am not scum and want to use this mess to lynch me off? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
Weigh in! Let me know what you think! | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
##UNVOTE ##VOTE : Zelblade Not very pro-town in your analysis. Why so negative? | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
On June 08 2012 13:37 Hyaach wrote: Ive only skimp the first post and these last post. Its mainly about rb and claim. If it meant anything i would like to point iut i was rbed too. Btw i said i will give read i ard 5 hour. Why so eagar to drive attention away from the thread? U could always do it when i didnt fullfill my claim But no one gave a read on as to why so I had to point it out again. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
Also in general we don't know if there is a jk an if there is who they jailed and we don't know about any possible sk, we do know about 2 RBs and frankly I think it's much more likely that one of the RBed people were the scum shot as if they were they're forced to claim or look like they're hiding it, than some possible way they were both RBed then a shotmissed for some separate reason. I'm on my phone so can't do much analysis but I'll probably vote hyaach when I get home for a combination of this and my past reasons for seeing him as scum. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Compare and contrast the Blazinghand from this game with the blazinghand from TL Mafia LIV. In LIV, he actually was a vigilante, and he was the aggressive protown blazinghand I've seen in most of his games. His first post in that game is voting someone for a scumslip. This is completely different from his play here. At no point did anyone write: But Ghost! He changed his play after he got modkilled in iGrok's game! That modkill happened in TLM LIII. Last I checked, LIII < LIV. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
##Vote Blazinghand | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 08 2012 21:07 Navillus wrote: I'm on my phone so I can't do anything big but bh I think the sk is very unlikely as that would require for the sk to have ALSO missed their shot somehow or for them to have held it for some reason. Also in general we don't know if there is a jk an if there is who they jailed and we don't know about any possible sk, we do know about 2 RBs and frankly I think it's much more likely that one of the RBed people were the scum shot as if they were they're forced to claim or look like they're hiding it, than some possible way they were both RBed then a shotmissed for some separate reason. I'm on my phone so can't do much analysis but I'll probably vote hyaach when I get home for a combination of this and my past reasons for seeing him as scum. I kind of agree with this. The most likely explanation is that one of them is scum. I think the vote should be between BH/Hyaach today, and I am on the BH side. ##Vote Hyaach | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 08 2012 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote Furerkip ##Vote Blazinghand ? | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
BH's claim now is sketchy at best. Zelblade is red. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 08 2012 23:17 Hyaach wrote: Why is no one seeing my side of the story? Just because BH claim first doesnt mean he cant be the mafia who got RBed. BH's claim now is sketchy at best. Zelblade is red. 1. BH's reaction to Pandain's claim can be explained with BH being a vigilante. 2. You are a shady lurker. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On June 06 2012 11:18 Blazinghand wrote: lol wut On June 06 2012 12:15 Blazinghand wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2012 12:10 Pandain wrote: I actually agree that this is getting off topic, and its just me and BH arguing semantics based on different perspectives of the principle I mentioned earlier. To address VE shortly, however, you can refer to my earlier posts to see where I slipped my role, its even been quoted and pointed out. You can try to lynch me, though. To commence, from this little barrage of posts I've analyzed more people. I think VE is more likely town. Navillus has attempted to(rightfully) steer discussion back onto owhere we should be discussing, which was definitely the town thing to do. Mafia would either want to take a stand on the mason issue, or simply not post. Navillus acting as such strikes me as town. I'm also very suspicious of Zellblade, as he's hardly posted at all. In fact, hilariously enough, he's just asked interogative questions. Which I find hilarious and will do one day. How Saying that we have different perspectives about the mason claim is like saying that bullets and massages have different perspectives about touching people. Your accidental claim is crap, your asking masons to claim is crap, and your discussions and non-discussions are crap. ##unvote MrZentor ##vote Pandain | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
The primary problem with this is that I dont think hyaach is town at this point and unless this is LI all over again (very unlikely) they cant be both scum. I am going to sleep, will sleep on it. VE care to grace us with your thoughts? | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On June 06 2012 11:23 Blazinghand wrote: Alright, if we believe Pandain's claim, then why don't we follow up with my course of action: We lynch MrZ (or maybe Navi if he seems scummier). If MrZ flips town, sure, shoot me. But I think he's gonna flip scum. Blazinghand knows Pandain is lying, so why would he be willing accept lynching someone else? Blazinghand is a good player, and I've never seen him back down, even when he doesn't know he's right. Why would he be willing to back down here, when he's so sure that Pandain is lying? | ||
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