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On April 03 2012 08:09 prplhz wrote:
Hey guys I'm around for a little while.
@VisceraEyes You would be alright with a syllogism lynch because syllogism is setup speculating from a scum perspective when he says that Bill Murray's role is too powerful? Think about it from an objective stand point then because that's what syllogism surely has whether he's scum or town, the role is actually quite powerful when you keep in mind that scum only has 1KP. My problem was that the claim seemed like, the role was kind of well thought out but how he communicated it to town was pretty shabby. I would expect a scum to pretty much have the role PM written down so they know exactly what their claim is about. Bill Murray didn't really do anything besides his claim and that's bad. Overall I wouldn't want to lynch him.
Do you still need help with the pony-plan by the way?
Also, Cephiro helping out with the plan isn't a town tell at all. Scum would probably love to throw their votes away at something that is protown and that will definitely be done anyway. They'd probably flock to be the first to do it.
Since, according to risk.nuke at least one of syllogism, Sbrubbles and Cephiro is scum, why don't we just lynch all of them? It's a 3:1 balanced game and lynching all of them would give us at worst 2 town and 1 scum which would skewer the game in our favor, although it would be 3:1 lost with the night kill. I definitely think we should lynch into the list. I'd like to lynch Cephiro.
Are you defending syllogism with this post? Do you think syllogism is town?
Why do you prefer lynching Cephiro over syllogism or Sbrubbles?
Why do you say we should lynch all of them and then say we should lynch Cephiro? Is it because you know Cephiro would flip town (thus necessitating multiple deaths?)
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Hey Cephiro I think you were being irrationally afraid of Palmar getting the item, I had a really hard time following that train of thought. Can you tell me again in a couple of sentences why you were so opposed to it?
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On April 03 2012 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 08:09 prplhz wrote:
Hey guys I'm around for a little while.
@VisceraEyes You would be alright with a syllogism lynch because syllogism is setup speculating from a scum perspective when he says that Bill Murray's role is too powerful? Think about it from an objective stand point then because that's what syllogism surely has whether he's scum or town, the role is actually quite powerful when you keep in mind that scum only has 1KP. My problem was that the claim seemed like, the role was kind of well thought out but how he communicated it to town was pretty shabby. I would expect a scum to pretty much have the role PM written down so they know exactly what their claim is about. Bill Murray didn't really do anything besides his claim and that's bad. Overall I wouldn't want to lynch him.
Do you still need help with the pony-plan by the way?
Also, Cephiro helping out with the plan isn't a town tell at all. Scum would probably love to throw their votes away at something that is protown and that will definitely be done anyway. They'd probably flock to be the first to do it.
Since, according to risk.nuke at least one of syllogism, Sbrubbles and Cephiro is scum, why don't we just lynch all of them? It's a 3:1 balanced game and lynching all of them would give us at worst 2 town and 1 scum which would skewer the game in our favor, although it would be 3:1 lost with the night kill. I definitely think we should lynch into the list. I'd like to lynch Cephiro. Are you defending syllogism with this post? Do you think syllogism is town? Why do you prefer lynching Cephiro over syllogism or Sbrubbles? Why do you say we should lynch all of them and then say we should lynch Cephiro? Is it because you know Cephiro would flip town (thus necessitating multiple deaths?)
Yes. I dont' think we should lynch syllogism today.
I prefer Cephiro because I think he was being too careful in his early posting and because he seemed to be irrationally afraid of Palmar getting the item.
The lynch-'em-all idea was just an observation, it's most likely infeasible to lynch them all today which is why I took a more pragmatic stance later in the post. Lyching into them gives us at least a 2:1 chance to lynch scum which is pretty good and I think we should definitely see if we can't agree on something like that today. I'm proposing Cephiro, but after just reading his filter a bit more carefully maybe I'll go for Sbrubbles instead. He said he'd post some more so we'll see how that goes.
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how many more pushes do we need, can we save palmar right now if prp helps?
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On April 03 2012 08:15 prplhz wrote:
Hey Cephiro I think you were being irrationally afraid of Palmar getting the item, I had a really hard time following that train of thought. Can you tell me again in a couple of sentences why you were so opposed to it?
Yes, it looks indeed that he might be town after all. Or at least he does look better than he did earlier, but I do certainly not trust him yet. If you read my earlier post, I base my reasoning mostly on the fact that Palmar's play was certainly nowhere near pro-town enough that he should be given the item. His interest in only getting the item, and certain persons vouching for him to get the item without hesitation awoke my suspicions.
If you check his filter, you can see that he hasn't really done anything for the town. And now we're here saving his ass from trouble regardless. With my gambit, I wanted people to pull their heads out of their ass and start thinking for a moment for worser scenarios instead of just going with the "Palmar gets the item and he shall save us allll". One more thing that made me even more opposed was the fact that Palmar did not respond to any of my questions, nor communicate with me in any way despite my tries, and yet he did at the same time with other persons.
Just because you're a vet doesn't mean you should ignore the newer players. (Okay, this is getting slightly offtopic.)
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On April 03 2012 08:09 prplhz wrote:
Do you still need help with the pony-plan by the way?
Also, Cephiro helping out with the plan isn't a town tell at all. Scum would probably love to throw their votes away at something that is protown and that will definitely be done anyway. They'd probably flock to be the first to do it.
rofl
On April 01 2012 18:45 prplhz wrote:
I'm against pushing Palmar up to the item slot and then back down again.
On April 03 2012 08:15 prplhz wrote:
Hey Cephiro I think you were being irrationally afraid of Palmar getting the item, I had a really hard time following that train of thought. Can you tell me again in a couple of sentences why you were so opposed to it?
On April 02 2012 09:34 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes
It means that if you do a cost/benefit analysis of getting that item for Palmar, you'll eventually reach the conclusion that it's not worth it. It's way too risky and the item is not very powerful. Since you're apparently going ahead with it anyway we should just stop talking about it. I'm just very displeased with it. Why are you so focused on being reckless?
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Leaving Palmar in the red zone is the epitome of "guilty until proven innocent". I'm holding on to my push until he's back out of the red. It's a shame that the further people pull him into the red, the more people will have an excuse for holding their pushes until he's out again. If you people want to go through with this plan then you start pulling Palmar to that item, the last puller should coordinate with the first pusher so that he doesn't stay very long in 24.
rofl x2
prpl, now that you can't push/pull Palmar, what are you going to do with your actions?
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Yeah man, if prp pushes, Ceph can push and after I grab you can pull.
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On April 03 2012 08:20 Nemesis wrote:
how many more pushes do we need, can we save palmar right now if prp helps?
If prp pushes, then I push, then VE picks up Palmar, and you pull VE, we should have them both safe. I am however waiting for prp still...
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prp, mind helping us save palmar for now?
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On April 03 2012 08:20 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 03 2012 08:09 prplhz wrote:
Hey guys I'm around for a little while.
@VisceraEyes You would be alright with a syllogism lynch because syllogism is setup speculating from a scum perspective when he says that Bill Murray's role is too powerful? Think about it from an objective stand point then because that's what syllogism surely has whether he's scum or town, the role is actually quite powerful when you keep in mind that scum only has 1KP. My problem was that the claim seemed like, the role was kind of well thought out but how he communicated it to town was pretty shabby. I would expect a scum to pretty much have the role PM written down so they know exactly what their claim is about. Bill Murray didn't really do anything besides his claim and that's bad. Overall I wouldn't want to lynch him.
Do you still need help with the pony-plan by the way?
Also, Cephiro helping out with the plan isn't a town tell at all. Scum would probably love to throw their votes away at something that is protown and that will definitely be done anyway. They'd probably flock to be the first to do it.
Since, according to risk.nuke at least one of syllogism, Sbrubbles and Cephiro is scum, why don't we just lynch all of them? It's a 3:1 balanced game and lynching all of them would give us at worst 2 town and 1 scum which would skewer the game in our favor, although it would be 3:1 lost with the night kill. I definitely think we should lynch into the list. I'd like to lynch Cephiro.Are you defending syllogism with this post? Do you think syllogism is town? Why do you prefer lynching Cephiro over syllogism or Sbrubbles? Why do you say we should lynch all of them and then say we should lynch Cephiro? Is it because you know Cephiro would flip town (thus necessitating multiple deaths?) Yes. I dont' think we should lynch syllogism today. I prefer Cephiro because I think he was being too careful in his early posting and because he seemed to be irrationally afraid of Palmar getting the item. The lynch-'em-all idea was just an observation, it's most likely infeasible to lynch them all today which is why I took a more pragmatic stance later in the post. Lyching into them gives us at least a 2:1 chance to lynch scum which is pretty good and I think we should definitely see if we can't agree on something like that today. I'm proposing Cephiro, but after just reading his filter a bit more carefully maybe I'll go for Sbrubbles instead. He said he'd post some more so we'll see how that goes.
Is the "yes" to "you think syllo is town", "are you defending syllo," or both? Why not syllo? You keep choosing to avoid talking about syllo, constantly making the conversation about Cephiro and Sbrubbles. Why is syllo town?
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On April 03 2012 08:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Tobon what do you think about syllogism? Full thoughts please.
My overall impression is of a careful/paranoid style. He asks lots of questions, and he hasn't done any scum reads. I know that acting neutral and concentrating on talking game mechanics is a classic scum way of blending in to town, but I have to admit that I'm drawn towards that style myself, so I have a hard time finding it suspicious by itself. I was liking him early in the day.
But then: That he questioned the existence of BM's role initially made me think he was either scum or bad town for not reading through DFM1. That he commented twice about wanting to lynch BM, got absolutely no support from anyone, and then ended up wasting his push on BM anyway, hours later, reinforced that opinion. He's tunneling BM for no reason whatsoever besides supposed meta game balance, which makes no sense.
He's scummy and I wouldn't mind him lynched.
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I've just got to say, no buddying intended but I love how wbg pointed out prplhz's slightly contradictory posting. Way to go painting me scummy for something you've pretty much done yourself?
@prplhz: Take the time you need to respond to others, but could you please just push VE already so we can get this rescue over with, or would you rather see Palmar die?
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I mean, I can understand hesitation. If he doesn't want to help I don't want his help - I'm not in the business of strongarming people this game. Palmero DOES have a pitiful filter.
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I assumed he asked because he wanted to help - otherwise why ask?
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I'm pushing VisceraEyes now.
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So, you want to do it officially or do you have a hidden PoP-abillity?
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you're pushing him now...but no push command? No response to anything that was brought up regarding your stance on syllo/cephiro/sbrubbles?
This stalling looks like a scum prplhz.
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Ceph, wait til we get an update. Something smells fishy.
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Definitely, I normally like prefer being safe than sorry. I wonder what's about to happen...
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