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zYwi3c
Poland1811 Posts
On July 30 2011 03:10 Nausea wrote: I'm in europe, i will watch and i've bought a pass. Same, im in europe, bought Gold Membership like month ago. If i cant watch, im just happy that i can support Esports in some way. | ||
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scatmango2
United States408 Posts
On July 30 2011 17:31 denzelz wrote: Go and actually try to win some games please instead of trolling TL forums. Rofl pwnt. But turns out he has to spend his time trolling in between losses to occupy all of that time. | ||
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Tergeron
United States66 Posts
On July 30 2011 17:31 denzelz wrote: Go and actually try to win some games please instead of trolling TL forums. welp | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On July 30 2011 17:32 zYwi3c wrote: Same, im in europe, bought Gold Membership like month ago. If i cant watch, im just happy that i can support Esports in some way. Sundance did mention an expansion to Europe, So you guys will be rewarded! | ||
Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:08 iNcontroL wrote: Also threatening to lower the prizepool in response to a tweet was no good  why take that route? Some random dude says 100k is too high so you say you might need ti lower the prizepool? You think he's serious about lowering the prize pool if they don't get enough subscribers? Sundance says dumb stuff all the time on his twitter, you of all people should know not to take it too literally. | ||
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nukeazerg
United States168 Posts
I have more respect for the person saying hey we are giving 400,000 for esports buy a ticket. Than the guy saying that the 50,000 dollars is too much to spend unless you get a ton more people to buy a ticket. | ||
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Caltu
60 Posts
I have been following some lower ranked SC2 tournys that have a grand prize of $75 and hardly anyone does because the pool is so low. However we all follow NASL, GSL ect all with the massive prize pools and we are all like OMG! ! ! Theres how much up for grabs! Im watching this. Sundance was right to add that incentive for viewers to up the subs, everyone is going to be telling eveyone they know OMG MLG COULD HAVE 100K PRIZE POOL! Its all about making it bigger. Its not about the money its about getting 100k subs cos that is astronomical! The viewer base keeps getting bigger eSports gets bigger everything gets bigger. Sundance simply dangled the carrot to help eSports and we need to follow and not QQ | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 30 2011 17:28 iNcontroL wrote: Wat lol ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Snake-oil.png) I don't see how you possibly think it's appropriate for you to criticize another business's advertising method, especially when that business has a proven track record. GosuCoaching v.1 GosuCamp GosuGuide GosuBodyMassage And you pleaded for NASL memberships before even having broadcasted a game, and throughout the entire season while you still continued to deliver a sub par product. And throughout all that time Sundance was supportive of you! You are the #1 snake oil salesman in the SC2 community, even more than Shokz. MLG runs 3 (soon to be 4, possibly 5) different games, at 4+ events per year. For the current three games, their payout was close to $800,000. Sundance is trying to hype it to be more. Not only do more memberships (which aren't necessarily $30 - you become a member for free, you become a silver member for $10.) help them draw in sponsors, but it carries over to every other event in the next year. Sundance only mentioned the Grand Finals because that's the only one on this year's budget that's within a reasonable timeframe, and it's the most important one to hype in his 144 character limit. Do you really think he's only talking about $25,000/$50,000 more for a single SC2 event? When they've got 4/5 games and multiple events throughout the year? In the grand scheme of MLG, where it came from and what it is, look how far SC2 has come from a year ago. They plan out these events and all the production that goes into them upwards to a year in advance, and we've only seen the beginning of what's in store for SC2. You say it's underhanded to offer an incentive for giving money, but that's exactly what you did for NASL. The only difference is that Sundance was very specific about the numbers needed, and at least gave partial information about what the outcome would be. All you did was give a vague explanation about how it would help ESPORTS and how it could make NASL better in the future. And somehow that's better than what MLG did? Now Sundance has replied and clarified that he didn't just mean a single event, but that he means the entire SC2/MLG circuit can be revamped with such kind of support. Now this is where you say, "Oh, that sounds great, Sundance! Thanks for clarifying, I was wrong in my earlier remarks." | ||
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Jago
Finland390 Posts
If I order, pay and then cancel my subscription, will it continue to work normally for the entire duration of the "prepad" time? | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
For example: I'm a nurse and always work when the NASL is on however when the VOD's come up the next day is when I watch all the games. I work every time MLG is live unfortunately but would really like to purchase the gold package. Unfortunately there is no reason for me to purchase it if I'm never able to watch it live though. | ||
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Scotty2tuff
United States15 Posts
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
On July 30 2011 17:36 nukeazerg wrote: Incontrol sold subscriptions based on a big prize. He is not a hypocrite. Sundance is selling subscriptions on the slight possibility of a big prize. I have more respect for the person saying hey we are giving 400,000 for esports buy a ticket. Than the guy saying that the 50,000 dollars is too much to spend unless you get a ton more people to buy a ticket. 50,000 dollars for ONE MLG. You are buying a year-long pass, for every MLG. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On July 30 2011 17:14 Jibba wrote: It's certainly better than begging people to buy passes for an unaired, unrefined product for the sake of ESPORTS. MLG at least has a stated goal/incentive, and some history behind their work. Surely even you can't miss the irony of your statement. You don't like losing arguments on the internet, we get it. But you really can't expect to carry this one through with any semblance of a viable argument. Ask IdrA or Tyler or any other logical forum addict you can think of. They'll tell you you're being hypocritical on this. Once upon a time you could criticize MLG for this or asking people to buy shirts. That time has long since passed. Anyways, I ended up getting the Gold Membership. I'm mostly watching EVO all weekend so I want the VODs, plus I decided to buy something from MLG after how well Columbus went. good post. incontrol is turning into a community joke. I mean jesus christ does incontrol have a switch in his brain to govern his posting? Has he always been like this? It seems as though he has this sense of entitlement now because he played BW and hung around this scene a long time. I think his relative fame for being a comedian on a podcast and over charging derps for coaching has gone to his head. Comeback to reality incontrol or just burn out and go away, you aren't as important as you think you are. | ||
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Sd9
United States26 Posts
Keep hating haters. Keep hating. | ||
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nxiety
United States36 Posts
On July 30 2011 17:36 nukeazerg wrote: Incontrol sold subscriptions based on a big prize. He is not a hypocrite. Sundance is selling subscriptions on the slight possibility of a big prize. I have more respect for the person saying hey we are giving 400,000 for esports buy a ticket. Than the guy saying that the 50,000 dollars is too much to spend unless you get a ton more people to buy a ticket. Difference of opinion I suppose, but I personally respect the people portraying eSports in a positive light more than those that do not. Sundance is attempting to sell more content as well as bigger prize pools. More content, specifically more quality content helps eSports more than a bigger prize pool. They're slowly improving, more and more. Slow and steady wins the race. A huge prize pool may attract players but more quality content will attract sponsors which in turn directly helps players receive better contracts. Better contracts directly influences the possibility of eSports players having viable careers. Look at all the previous tournaments with huge cash prizes up to $100,000 and let me know how well they survived. Whatever MLG is doing right, which is a lot, sponsors love it. And love it or hate it making the sponsors happy makes eSports possible. Not to mention the fact that MLG has done more than the other organization you're implying for eSports and they have done so over the course of a longer period. They were founded in 2002 and disregarding that and only accounting their time involved in StarCraft 2 they've still done more. The fact they've been involved in eSports for 9 years coupled with the fact they started during a time many people considered eSports a joke or an impossibility I would wager they do it out of passion and not just attempting to get rich like many, many other organizations that came about and died shortly after they started over the last decade. How about you give respect to people that have earned it rather than the people that were a mouthpiece for a hype machine that fell flat on many of its promises(not discrediting them but they didn't live up to their expectations and I hope they do in the future, sooner than later.) | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
On July 30 2011 02:41 SundanceMLG wrote: Months ago you gave me shit about the prize pool and now I'm putting a simple and obtainable goal out there for the entire community and you give me shit again - and that's fine. I still respect you and appreciate what you've done and will continue to do for the scene. My question is this - if the number was 50,000 would you take an issue with my approach? How about 15,000? What if I didn't say a thing and just watched my spreadsheets populate with numbers and kept the community in the dark? Shouldn't the people who love this have some insight into what is needed for success? You're either in or you're out. $30 a year from 100,000 people makes this company a real business and not just a passion project from a guy with a hippy name who refuses to quit. $30 a year from 10,000 people means that we're all wrong and there isn't enough fan support to sustain a business of scale. Less than a dime a day from less than 10% of the people who visit our site over the course of an event weekend allows me to flip a switch and change next year to a structure that supports 24 live events & 28 meaningful ladders. 52 competitions with nearly 2 million dollars of prize money and stipends. Again - I don't care if you think I'm an asshole or a money grubbing prick. I just want to find out if what we do is actually meaningful to enough of you to step up. Id buy a second membership if i could to also get the replays of the events  | ||
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
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marvin.
United States469 Posts
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
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cape
United States142 Posts
On July 30 2011 18:12 marvin. wrote: incontrol fooled us all. this thread has gotten more people to buy passes. wp wp. Incontrol isn't that smart, he just likes to argue. | ||
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