EPTWho's reign was best? - Page 3
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
On July 28 2007 04:28 RivetHead wrote: This type of question can be misleading in that it is asking for the most dominant reign of a player. The game has evolved quite a bit from its beginnings, so each time period closer to the present in which a player played is more and more difficult. Nowadays, there are so many good pros that it is a tossup to see who will be in the finals of a league. Everyone is much more evenly matched than boxer's or giyom's day. Now this brings in the arguement, is someone who is pretty dominant in the current age, such as savior (a few months ago really), more worthy of the title of strongest than Nada or Boxer, who's styles were parts of the major evolutions of the game. Would you have to go to a middle ground, such as iloveoov, who dominated not all that long ago when competition was getting very strong, yet still showed amazing results. I think the best answer can be done by statistics showing best winning percentage of any of these players over the course of their reign. People will try to dispute the statistics and prove somehow that their favorite is was the strongest, yet pretty much any other way of looking at it becomes more opinion and conjecture than fact and truth. That's a very good post, points which I'd like to add to myself. Also take into consideration of this so-called group of reigning champs - Boxer, Nada, OOv, July, Savior, and notice just how many are terran. I'd like to suggest that those who champion the rise of one particular race and/or reverse the terrible fortune of that race should be given special notice. For example, Boxer's play really put terran on the map, July's ascension reversed the abysmal zvt precedence, and Savior's reign solidified it post-JulyZerg. Those who simply follow in the footsteps of their figurehead and those who spearhead new ways to tackle the problem are on totally different levels. As for Bisu though, his PvZ and PvT phenomenal, and he has shown in the past for having a pulse for exceptional PvP (although he lost all of his recent proleague matches, among them vP Anytime and vZ intercalm). It really is still wait and see for Bisu. At his current situation he's on fire, but across-the-board dominating he is not. | ||
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JensOfSweden
Cameroon1767 Posts
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
On July 28 2007 05:32 Musli wrote: I know that some players had awesome stats and were dominating on pro scene, but for me while dominating you have to be spectacular. I've never found oov, sAviOr or Bisu spectacular. Ofc they have awesome skill but it wasnt something that driven audience crazy like July's muta micro and agressiveness, Boxer m&m micro and tactical comebacks or even NaDa tornado style in his prime, complete terran destroyer annihilating everyone on his way, with awesome micro, 350 APM macro and multitasking. It was really like tornado (game starts, NaDa moves, opponent GGs) ;> You gotta be kidding, what about Savior's watershed defense? OOv's army appearing out of thin air? Bisu's vZ in dominating fashion, a never-before-seen sight? | ||
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fbs
United Kingdom2476 Posts
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sundance
Slovakia3201 Posts
It seemed like no one can beat him. IMO he looked more invincible then Savior in his prime. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Saviors dominance was breathtaking but way too short. Giyom back then was the single force to reckon with. Bisu might be the next one.. | ||
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Stegosaur
Netherlands1231 Posts
1: Blatant fanboyism 2: The incredibly funny, original and stylish ways he could crush even the mightiest opponents. And, something that hasn't been mentioned yet, the way he totally clowned foreigners like Blackman and Elky in the WCG's. Sure the WCG doesn't mean much, compared to the Korean leagues, but I'm sure nobody here can show me a game as funny as boxer vs blackman, with [pG]Korn giving the most biased commentary ever and in the end just going '....wow'. No progamer has spawned things like that =) Pure entertainment. Boxer's games could make your jaw drop because they'd show you things you'd never even considered possible. I remember watching his game vs terranteacher, and literally shouting WHAT THE FUCK when he suddenly, out of thin air, pulled the lockdown on all of his BC's. | ||
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KH1031
United States862 Posts
the emperor was most charismatic giyom was legendary i personally like boxer best though...we all have a hero inside of us | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
23-7 TvT(more than half of those losses came from having to play against Nada every time) 14-2 TvZ 12-1 TvP A somewhat large portion of this forum thought he was a TvT specialist since he pretty much made Nada disappear, but a screenshot showed that it was his only matchup below 80% in MSL. His OGN TvZ record was also somewhere around 21-1 at that time, leading many people to act like his match vs JulyZerg was a foregone conclusion until it happened. iloveoov also dominated the MBC Team League by himself, beating the entire other team 4-0 every other match. Often you would see someone like Nada taking out two of the boxer team's top players by himself and putting it into a losing position, only to have oov come out and win the next 4 games in a row. Does anyone know his MTL record back in the day? | ||
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Daveed
United States236 Posts
but I also love Oov | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
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Shauni
4077 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On July 28 2007 08:51 iamke55 wrote: As of now everything you may want to know can be answered: http://teamliquid.net/tlpd[..] Does anyone know his MTL record back in the day? | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
Savior for displaying unparalleled dominance with zerg. Oov for crushing the scene with the most disgusting progaming stats ever. Nada for his grand slam & more. | ||
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dementus
Singapore1153 Posts
note that i assumed that these players were 'dominant' during the period where they had consecutive finals appearances. 1st iloveoov (09/04/03 to 08/29/04), 3 msl finals appearances in a row. 84 wins - 30 losses (73.68%) overall career: 213 wins - 128 losses (62.46%) 2nd boxer (03/01/01 to 04/14/02), 3 osl finals appearances in a row, 1 msl finals appearance. 42 wins - 19 losses (68.85%) overall career: 233 wins - 179 losses (56.55%) 3rd savior (04/21/05 to 03/03/07), 5 msl finals appearances in a row. 90 wins - 44 losses (67.16%) overall career: 134 wins - 78 losses (63.21%) 4th nada (04/18/02 to 07/19/03), 4 msl finals appearances in a row. 97 wins - 52 losses (65.10%) overall career: 324 wins - 202 losses (61.60%) edit: of course, itw has a point when he mentions that whether or not the wins during these periods were spectacular tourism bus rides should be a factor in considering how 'great' these players were at their peak, but if we consider intangibles such as this, we'll never agree on an answer. going by statistics alone, it would seem iloveoov was the beastliest of them all. also, since i used different time norms for each player's dominance, this could very well be terribly inaccurate. it'd be nice if someone more knowledgeable than me in progaming history drew up these stats, but for a set time norm, like say 6 months or 12 months. | ||
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phr4n7ik
Canada10 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
On July 28 2007 02:17 GTR-2-Go wrote: OK, to be honest, you can't really say anyone, ANYONE has dominated or "reigned" BW. To "reign" Korean e-Sports, you have to a) Productively do extremely good all the time in both OSL's and MSL's and b) Good in proleagues I believe no one ever at all has done that before, except maybe NaDa, but that was ages ago, and for an extremely short period. Savior fits this bill perfectly He won 3 MSLs before reaching the finals for the fourth, won the OSL, owned Superfights, and was a complete monster in the Proleague. Imo, although Oov's dominance was pretty scary, no one was more ferocious than the Maestro himself | ||
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