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On March 31 2009 12:04 mog87 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2009 06:34 Blue wrote:
this almost makes me wonder if the fantasy - bisu 3 - 0 OSL semi was rigged - _ - You mean cause Bisu didnt proxy in all 3 games? This show match sucked so hard it was funny, Im glad I didnt stay up for this. Id rather have seen Jangbi rape than this. Quesion: Why didnt Flash get the academy vs Bisu since he had so many marines?
You just think that if people cheese they can't play straight-up, a mentality you probably got because you've been cheesed on ICCup and don't know how to stop it, still.
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I guess someone's missed all the recent PvT games of Bisu or something.
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Stork thumbed down TOTM
Why do they even bother asking protoss "so do you want to play on tears of the moon?"
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Bisu, you killer of dreams. 
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On March 31 2009 14:01 scwizard wrote:
Stork thumbed down TOTM
Why do they even bother asking protoss "so do you want to play on tears of the moon?"
They really should just call it the tears of the protoss. Btw, I loved how the matches proved just how balanced the races are.
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I don't really see how it proved much, really.
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On March 31 2009 15:10 koreasilver wrote:
I don't really see how it proved much, really.
Well I know it's a stretch but what we saw in the All Stars was that + Show Spoiler + which is generally the accepted advantage if map is neutral. What was clear was that no race wasdominant over the other two, although again I know you could argue about map balance and all that stuff...
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Players. Map balance. The fact that this is a showmatch. The absence of Jaedong (put in here so that kids stop crying in responses). All-kill format.
All those factors mean that you really can't make any assertive judgments based on these results.
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It proved Bisu is Imba, except against the new savior.
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On March 31 2009 15:28 fanatacist wrote:
Players. Map balance. The fact that this is a showmatch. The absence of Jaedong (put in here so that kids stop crying in responses). All-kill format.
All those factors mean that you really can't make any assertive judgments based on these results.
Proving is a subjective term with many definitions. It's clear you're looking for 100% proof which is impossible given the number of factors. I'm just saying from my personal opinion how much this showcase showed the balance of the game and I loved how each race was 1-1. Of course, this doesn't prove anything but irregardless for me this match proved once more that Starcraft truly is one of the most balanced nonmirror games ever.
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where can i get all the vods from the all star race battle games?
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On March 31 2009 13:19 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2009 12:04 mog87 wrote:On March 31 2009 06:34 Blue wrote:
this almost makes me wonder if the fantasy - bisu 3 - 0 OSL semi was rigged - _ - You mean cause Bisu didnt proxy in all 3 games? This show match sucked so hard it was funny, Im glad I didnt stay up for this. Id rather have seen Jangbi rape than this. Quesion: Why didnt Flash get the academy vs Bisu since he had so many marines? You just think that if people cheese they can't play straight-up, a mentality you probably got because you've been cheesed on ICCup and don't know how to stop it, still.
No moron, Hes an extremely high level pro, no shit he knows how to play straight up, Theres countless games to atest to that fact, but this is a show/exhibition event watching 3 proxy's and a 12nex to dt drop, for 4 games in a PROFESSIONAL EXHIBITION series is a hella lame and boring.
So please your little ICCUP analogy is stupid and ridiculous and not to mention you pulled it out your ass with nothing to support it. Jesus first the MSL groups and now this, ugh.
So can anyone with brains comment on the Flash and no academy question I asked earlier?
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On March 31 2009 15:36 berkguyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2009 15:28 fanatacist wrote:
Players. Map balance. The fact that this is a showmatch. The absence of Jaedong (put in here so that kids stop crying in responses). All-kill format.
All those factors mean that you really can't make any assertive judgments based on these results. Proving is a subjective term with many definitions. It's clear you're looking for 100% proof which is impossible given the number of factors. I'm just saying from my personal opinion how much this showcase showed the balance of the game and I loved how each race was 1-1. Of course, this doesn't prove anything but irregardless for me this match proved once more that Starcraft truly is one of the most balanced nonmirror games ever.
The only thing these games "proved" to us are things that we all already knew.
July is good against protoss.
The Zerg twins fucking blow really bad some days for some reason.
Bisu's PvT has improved tremendously over time.
Leta is a real strong player nowadays.
Hwasin < Bisu
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On March 31 2009 16:02 mog87 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2009 13:19 fanatacist wrote:On March 31 2009 12:04 mog87 wrote:On March 31 2009 06:34 Blue wrote:
this almost makes me wonder if the fantasy - bisu 3 - 0 OSL semi was rigged - _ - You mean cause Bisu didnt proxy in all 3 games? This show match sucked so hard it was funny, Im glad I didnt stay up for this. Id rather have seen Jangbi rape than this. Quesion: Why didnt Flash get the academy vs Bisu since he had so many marines? You just think that if people cheese they can't play straight-up, a mentality you probably got because you've been cheesed on ICCup and don't know how to stop it, still. + Show Spoiler +
No moron, Hes an extremely high level pro, no shit he knows how to play straight up, Theres countless games to atest to that fact, but this is a show/exhibition event watching 3 proxy's and a 12nex to dt drop, for 4 games in a PROFESSIONAL EXHIBITION series is a hella lame and boring.
So please your little ICCUP analogy is stupid and ridiculous and not to mention you pulled it out your ass with nothing to support it. Jesus first the MSL groups and now this, ugh.
So can anyone with brains comment on the Flash and no academy question I asked earlier?
I'm not a very good at Starcraft, but I'm guessing he wanted to go all-in when he noticed Bisu had two dragoons and some zealots, but since his Marine + SCV attack failed (which was surprising seeing that after he killed those zealots, it was ~12 marines and a couple of SCV vs. 2 dragoons and a few probes to distract fire) and with that many dragoons out on the field, he had to play a defensively for a while and probably had to get mechs out.
I think he would had a longer chance if he started building the academy after destroying that proxy gateway and played it safe instead of going all in. However, I think it would give Bisu the chance of getting more dragoons with range vs. Flash's m&m if he went for medics and he could just simply micro the marines out of the medic's healing range, so that plan would fail. Then again, the academy would also lead into a com station, but that would only be useful if his SCV scouted a CoA. Either way, I think he should have played it safe and build up on mechs after destroying the proxy.
Again, I'm not very good at Starcraft; just guessing.
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On March 31 2009 13:19 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2009 12:04 mog87 wrote:On March 31 2009 06:34 Blue wrote:
this almost makes me wonder if the fantasy - bisu 3 - 0 OSL semi was rigged - _ - You mean cause Bisu didnt proxy in all 3 games? This show match sucked so hard it was funny, Im glad I didnt stay up for this. Id rather have seen Jangbi rape than this. Quesion: Why didnt Flash get the academy vs Bisu since he had so many marines? You just think that if people cheese they can't play straight-up, a mentality you probably got because you've been cheesed on ICCup and don't know how to stop it, still.
Very well put. Bisu has proved many times he can play strong as hell standard + "harassy" type games very very well. Because he opted to do proxy's in this just shows that he was having fun. These all-star things are very light hearted.
I'm going to have to say this was a nice breathe of fresh air compared to the standard bisu we see. I love the proxy-robo + elevator he does on Colo (ala Bisu vs Skyhigh in GomS2) and his proxy gateway on Destination was scouted very early. In my opinion it was just a smart strategic move. It was early enough to force Flash to either build a bunker, a lot of marines (and risk losing them and scvs) or a second barracks. Once Flash broke out he was able to defend the attack by flash without losing goons which allowed for a game-ending counter attack. Brilliant play in my eyes. As unique as it was, it wasn't all-in.
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since when is proxy gate on desti brilliant or unique?
its practically the standard and theres nothing brilliant about it, you're just fucking retarded if you dont use it since its pretty much a guaranteed advantage.
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On March 31 2009 16:02 mog87 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2009 13:19 fanatacist wrote:On March 31 2009 12:04 mog87 wrote:On March 31 2009 06:34 Blue wrote:
this almost makes me wonder if the fantasy - bisu 3 - 0 OSL semi was rigged - _ - You mean cause Bisu didnt proxy in all 3 games? This show match sucked so hard it was funny, Im glad I didnt stay up for this. Id rather have seen Jangbi rape than this. Quesion: Why didnt Flash get the academy vs Bisu since he had so many marines? You just think that if people cheese they can't play straight-up, a mentality you probably got because you've been cheesed on ICCup and don't know how to stop it, still. No moron, Hes an extremely high level pro, no shit he knows how to play straight up, Theres countless games to atest to that fact, but this is a show/exhibition event watching 3 proxy's and a 12nex to dt drop, for 4 games in a PROFESSIONAL EXHIBITION series is a hella lame and boring. So please your little ICCUP analogy is stupid and ridiculous and not to mention you pulled it out your ass with nothing to support it. Jesus first the MSL groups and now this, ugh. So can anyone with brains comment on the Flash and no academy question I asked earlier?
Sorry, the fervor with which you were hating on seemingly any play besides a macro war led me to assume that you had a personal bias against cheese, probably through experience. I'm sure you react/feel the same way when someone does it to you. It's not too much of a stretch to believe that you're just a bitter asshole.
Or, you have Bisu/Protoss, but then again everyone does nowadays and whatever reasons you may have for it, good for you.
IMO Academy would be an investment of gas on stim, medics, and possibly range, which Flash did a cost-benefit analysis for and realized that the advantage he would potentially gain would not be as significant as the disadvantage of losing that early gas. EDIT: Or he was trying to pump as many units as possible for an offensive, acad/med/upgrades would slow that down both by taking away minerals and necessitating a pause for med/up.
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On March 31 2009 10:23 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2009 03:22 5tarscream wrote:On March 31 2009 00:23 Qwertify wrote:
Zerg > Protoss
and since Protoss > Terran,
then Zerg > Terran.
So, Zerg > All.
Also, since Bisu All-Killed the Terran team,
and sAviOr beat Bisu,
sAviOr can all-kill the Terran team as well.
That is logic. Do not argue. Fantasy > Luxury in Quarter [Edit]Final[Edit]. Luxury > Jangbi Based on your Logic, Fantasy > Jangbi Do you agree? Your logic has no mention of sAviOr, therefore it fails.
I'm glad someone here is aware of this. TY.
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On March 31 2009 20:49 IdrA wrote:
since when is proxy gate on desti brilliant or unique?
its practically the standard and theres nothing brilliant about it, you're just fucking retarded if you dont use it since its pretty much a guaranteed advantage.
Wow, well there you have it.
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omg flash was awesome game one;)
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