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I'm not as comfortable with my scumread on Cephiro as the other two, because most of my feel is based off of meta.
On November 05 2013 11:52 Cephiro wrote:
Yes, I have several reads that I don't think are worth sharing. Do you think it's useful if I told my opinions on every player in the game, even if half of them would be nullreads? A read could be a townread, scumread, or a nullread, or anything between. Why should I concentrate on telling the thread that "Guiz, I'm not sure if X is town or scum"? There is no point for a town to do that. It doesn't provide anything to go by. I don't give a shit if you're unsure about someone. Come and tell me when you think that he's either town or scum. Preferably when he's scum, unless you have a good reason for defending someone to be town without 100% knowing their alignment.
Cephiro's view in this game compared to Hogwarts just seems so different, where he shared a bunch of views freely. Look here.
It's just so starkly different that I can't get it out of my mind.
I also don't like his case on WoS because it's an oldschool example of point-by-point-analysis (PBPA); he doesn't effectively show WoS is scum, he just takes every post and bashes on them.
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I will be around 3 hours before deadline, but am not willing to vote anybody but Sn0 or Thrawn unless the thread has serious developments while I am away.
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I will be heading off to bed soon (2 hours or so) and I unfortunately have work tmrw so I will not be able to change my vote roughly 6 hours before the deadline. However once I wake up I should have 2 hours-ish to review anything that happens and to possibly re-evaluate my stance. This is a fairly long post (for me) and I started it at 14:59 KST so everything in here will be up until that time point. PS. Reading all filters is sooo time consuming.
So first off I will try to focus on mainly my most towny/scummy reads and everybody else i'll give a short description on (don't wanna make super long post since I hate reading them, and I assume so do others).
Rayn:
He is my current vote at this moment and at the time of posting my vote I didn't find anything in his play that was really helpful to town and that his posts seemed like typical scum posts. Since that time I think he has stepped up his game and asked decent questions and provided insight that seem original. However his vote on gumshoe is very strange since he hasn't really given a strong read on why he is reading him as scum. Possibly jumping the bandwagon? I give him a null to slightly scummy read. And since I don't think he is currently the most scummy:
##Unvote
WoS:
My read on him this game is town. As mentioned before I think he was slightly town but I am thinking even more so because of question about Syl which seemed to have brought many responses (5 in response to the original question, 6 if you include WoS's response). If anything he is getting more people to talk and give reads and that is rarely a bad thing in my opinion.
OO:
I will say that OO has a very unique way to how he posts and I get a good vibe from it. It doesn't feel forced in any way and I feel that reading thru his filter I am able to go along with his thought process and reasoning towards it. Towny read at the moment.
Cephiro:
Has gone very hard on WoS and I stand by my read from my previous post on him, however since he has gone SOOOO against the grain it would be a strange play by scum. Still slightly scummy but less so than before.
Syl:
As mentioned before, don't like strategy talk, which since his filter is so short, he seems to bring up alot which rubs me personally the wrong way but his reads have seemed ok to me so far (eg. reads on cephiro's play). Overall null.
sno_man:
Coming into this I am very cautious because he seems to be one of the people everybody is jumping on. He seems to want to lynch Onegu near the start because he cannot read him (terrible accusation). He has a very carefree attitude and he hasn't really given any real reads in my opinion. I am worried however that scum might tag along the sno train to lynch town. I have a null read on him atm but that is because he hasn't really said anything. No matter what his affiliation is, I think he is playing without care of the game.
gumshoe:
At first he thinks WoS might be scummy but later on changes his opinion. He actually seems open to being wrong in his reads (happens again with OO) and overall I feel like I am able to follow along with his train of thoughts. Slightly town read.
thrawn:
He seems to ask many questions in his filter at the start of the game and it seems like he was fishing for people's thoughts on others without really having to give any of his reads. He then votes for ryan without any reason other than not liking how ryan has played so far (understandable i guess, but still weak). What bothers me is how he tells WoS that he is usually the center of attention and his first point seems very scummy. " 1) there aren't enough people who are familiar with my town play who could bail me out if things go wrong". This just seems really off since he is already making sure that he is not a target since he cannot be given a free out. He also seems to just unvote rayn without really pushing him after giving his vote on him. It just seems like he was hoping many others would latch on, and after a while of nobody really biting, he unvotes without any reason. Currently he is a scummy read to me. I would like to know your reasons why you unvoted rayn.
Umasi:
Most of the game he has focused on me (I would describe the tunnel vision similar to that of cephiro). He also hasn't really brought up any insightful reads. He also doesn't give his reads because it would "lack of overall effect on the thread" which seems like a silly point and I think town should always be trying to share their reads, don't have to share all, but atleast of the people you put under scrutiny. Overall between scummy and slightly scummy. I would be cautious tho because it seems another easy vote for mafia to jump on to.
Onegu:
He seems like another one that will be easy to jump on. I am reading him as null. He has had a few words with WoS but other than that he hasn't really said much of his reads. I don't really see him contribute much to town overall tho, but nothing reads as immediately scummy.
Echelon:
He was one of my top 2 town reads before and he still is. He is asking good appropriate questions and is making good sense to me. Everything in my last post about him still stands.
hzflank:
As mentioned by me many times, don't like strategy talk but I think that him and I just beleive in a different philosophy of how things should be done and we should agree to disagree. Apart from that I think he is asking appropriate questions and they seem more like sincere wanting to get reads from others for himself to use than just pretending to seem townish. Overall slightly town.
Having said all that my #1 scum read is thrawn.
##Vote: thrawn2112
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It takes 7 votes to lynch, and a no-lynch is very, very bad for town (it is one of town's few KP methods), so everybody in the thread had better comment on my case on Thrawn or have a good reason not to.
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On November 05 2013 14:46 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 08:02 Cephiro wrote:
Aight. That was an interesting read.
As for witchpowershiznit, I suggest we claim our votes only, 72 hours after. I've come up with an interesting idea as well. We will claim the votes in order, one at a time. I have an algorhithm based on certain actions in the game that make me very confident in the idea this will work.
Also, vote me for blue.
I'd like to hear more from players: raynpelikoneet, hzflank, thrawn, Sn0_Man + Myself.
##Vote: WaveOfShadow I find it very strange that your first post of the game does not address many issues. It's quite narrow actually. This contrasts sharply with your play in Liar Game and Hogwarts, where your first posts attacked a lot of people (incorrectly, mind you), but it showed how you were interested in all people as possible suspects.
My memory was wrong on Liar Game (Cephiro did not open with a big multiperson post), but my point still stands on the difference between Hogwarts and this game.
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ET i don't think those posts you quoted from thrawn make him scummy. There is noone in this game who has contributed to the game in every post of theirs and his vote on me was perfectly reasonable given our interactions in Desert. If you accuse thrawn of being scum because of that i must say you come off as at least as scummy as him ebcause (1) he actually explained his vote and (2) you could have seen that the vote was totally legit at that time for what i said if you looked at his reasoning.
The last quote is actually the only thing that i agree is scummy and in addition to that there are more of those in thrawn's filter.
But, why are you picking some random quotes from thrawn's filter and make it look like he has not contributed much?
Can you do a compilation of thrawn's & gumshoe's contributions to the game and show me thrawn has contributed more than gumshoe has, because afaik that's what you are accusing thrawn of?
Vanesco why are you accusing thrawn of his vote on me because you did the exact same thing with yours? And what bandwagon am i jumping on? Basically again, you are doing the same thing you are accusing me of, "jumping on a bandwagon on thrawn" perhaps?
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On November 05 2013 16:13 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 14:46 EchelonTee wrote:On November 05 2013 08:02 Cephiro wrote:
Aight. That was an interesting read.
As for witchpowershiznit, I suggest we claim our votes only, 72 hours after. I've come up with an interesting idea as well. We will claim the votes in order, one at a time. I have an algorhithm based on certain actions in the game that make me very confident in the idea this will work.
Also, vote me for blue.
I'd like to hear more from players: raynpelikoneet, hzflank, thrawn, Sn0_Man + Myself.
##Vote: WaveOfShadow I find it very strange that your first post of the game does not address many issues. It's quite narrow actually. This contrasts sharply with your play in Liar Game and Hogwarts, where your first posts attacked a lot of people (incorrectly, mind you), but it showed how you were interested in all people as possible suspects. My memory was wrong on Liar Game (Cephiro did not open with a big multiperson post), but my point still stands on the difference between Hogwarts and this game.
This is not alignment indicative for Cephiro. If you did even read the thread in hogwarts D1 you would know it.
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On November 05 2013 16:02 EchelonTee wrote:
It takes 7 votes to lynch, and a no-lynch is very, very bad for town (it is one of town's few KP methods), so everybody in the thread had better comment on my case on Thrawn or have a good reason not to.
Oh shits. It's majority lynch.
I absolutely do NOT want a no-lynch today.
Thrawn is not high enough on my scummy list to lynch him above those who I have named earlier.
FUck there's definitely going to be a no-lynch because I can't be around for deadline....fuck I'll try to phonepost it in around that time.
ET you don't find Onegu scummy in the slightest? Why are you absolutely set on thrawn?
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In my post I explain where I even understand it. That is not the main reason why I think he is scummy, it is to my other points (of him not wanting to be center of attention because he is scared of possibly screwing up and have town jump on him, and for no reasoning on his unvote). He just seems to put your vote on you with little reason and take it off again, with little reason. I'm not accusing you of jumping on a bandwagon, I'm just saying it could be a possibility. And I didn't really see much pressure put on thrawn apart from a few people saying they don't like something he has said. As mentioned, my writing of the post was before Echelon and is pure coincidence.
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Hey WoS, why is Onegu a better lynch than gumshoe?
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On November 05 2013 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey WoS, why is Onegu a better lynch than gumshoe?
Because I don't think gumshoe is scum.
You have done exactly nothing to demonstrate that he is. Why would I vote him?
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On November 05 2013 16:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
ET you don't find Onegu scummy in the slightest? Why are you absolutely set on thrawn?
I don't find Onegu scummier than Sn0 or Thrawn.
I am set on Thrawn because he is my biggest scum read for the reasons I mentioned. Respond to my post if you think I am reaching.
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I don't understand what you are getting at. It's pretty simple. Look at my filter, find the post where it has your vote (its even bolded so should be easy to find) and read it. At that point you had contributed nothing towards town and your posts seemed typical scum posts which is why I wasn't happy with them. However afterwards you started posting better and my opinion has changed. However asking stupid questions that you can answer by just checking my filter seems like just trying to post for the sake of posting and looking active.
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On November 05 2013 16:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey WoS, why is Onegu a better lynch than gumshoe? Because I don't think gumshoe is scum. You have done exactly nothing to demonstrate that he is. Why would I vote him?
Aside from couple of weak townread for no reasoning this is what his filter says:
Right now I feel like lynching into Unegu/ obvius one. They seem to be the most likely culprits based off their shoddy posting and reactions to my wall of text.
This is based on his fake case on you.
And that's it. There are so many words and his whole filter says less than this post of mine.
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On November 05 2013 15:40 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 14:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and thrawn sitting back and baiting reactions looks like shit honestly.
I don't know what responses he was looking for doing that, but to me it appears as though he left the meaning of 'doozy' (positive/negative connotation?) purposefully ambiguous.
I think that Thrawn is scum. Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm out for a bit...fairly bland start so far
PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs
I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there:
rayn
WoS
Sylencia
OO
Vanesco
Umasi
if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread. He never pursued the people not on his list. I find claiming that you will do something, then not doing it scummy; it looks like you are pursuing leads when you are not actually. Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 14:59 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 04 2013 14:38 EchelonTee wrote:On November 04 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm out for a bit...fairly bland start so far
PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs
I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there:
rayn
WoS
Sylencia
OO
Vanesco
Umasi
if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread. So you are advocating a lurker lynch. how's it goin? no, not even thinking about lynching yet. but i'm glad you brought it (lurker lynching) up what do you think about the drama? is it real drama or is it " real" drama? or just distracting and annoying? I thought these questions were strange because they don't serve any purpose. If his purpose was to get me to talk (as when I questioned Syl), he didn't respond to me at all, which makes me wonder why he asked me these. It feels to me like fake activity. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
-rayn - I want to fucking lynch this guy because I know he's capable of doing so much more. I'm not talking about quantity of posts. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn goddammit you cannot play like kushm4sta
only kush can do that and still be readable Thrawn votes rayn but never really explains why. Does not quote rayn or outline his reasoning. Yet he wants to "fucking lynch him". This does not feel like a real scum read to me. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 13:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 05 2013 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright let's play a game.
It's called, 'What are people's reads on Syl?'
When I get 3-4 answers I will explain my own and why.
Bonus points to hzflank if he is one of them. Umasi too. Also Rayn. haha that syl vote for ET is a doozy aint it I don't like posts like this that don't say anything. It doesn't feel like thrawn has an actual read on Syl and is just commenting on the current topic for some activity. A brief filter of analysis of Thrawn's previous two games, Desert Mini and British Empire Mini corroborate my views. Posts like these outline clear reasons why Thrawn views there's players as scum and show an intent to scumhunt. In this game, he has done a lot of lists and lightly push rayn for a lack of activity. I think there is a stark contrast. ##Vote: Thrawn2112
I don't think you're reaching, but it seems your vote is largely based on meta in that he is not performing as you expect him to as compared to previous games in which you've played with him.
On November 05 2013 10:10 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Your D1 feels pretty similar to mine in this regard; I don't usually have strong scumreads D1 though this game is proving an exception since there are a lot more people jumping out at me (double entendre!) than usual.
You should read gumshoe's posts. I wouldn't mind hearing what you think about him. (I also would actually like him to comment on my defenses of his 'fake-but-not-really' case on me outside of the reactions that others gave him at some point. )
I follow your thought process but I want to make note of something here. I have a bad feeling (and I can't exactly mention why I think this) that Rayn is not going to actively be playing this game, and as such will essentially be passively pushing us to policy lynch him, as some people are basically doing at the moment.
I would also like the mention that whether this is the case or not, I probably won't be voting for him today because I would at least like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am certainly confident in my ability to find people scummier than him today. Onegu/Sn0 and now maybe Umasi fit the bill for me atm. I have no idea wtf Cephiro is thinking right now but I don't...think...he's scum? Usually I start games off by making myself the center of attention but I didn't do that here because 1) there aren't enough people who are familiar with my town play who could bail me out if things go wrong and 2) I think people are mostly annoyed when I do that. Becoming the center of attention usually gives me something to work with, it's very easy to find scum when half the thread is accusing you. Without that tool I'm admittedly a little lost, or maybe bored is the better word. I wanted to roll mafia this game because I roll town something close to 95% (no joke) of the time, so after getting town yet again I became even less interested... add to that how I hardly know anyone on the player list and you should be able to understand my current attitude. I agree with you about Cephero. His entrance was a little awkward but he gave me a straight up answer so I'm cool with him for now. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cephiro looks town to me.
thrawn i find that hard to believe because the last game you played here Sylencia was scum in.. lol do you really? I'm not convinced you care at all. Are you wanting to make it an issue or are you only here to make passive accusations?
What did you make of this post where he explains his behaviour?
The other main reason I don't want to lynch him is because at one point in the game we were basically completely in sync. If someone is thinking the same way as me at the same time that gives me reason to believe he is also town.
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in cs;go game, will respond in a sec
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I might have to sleep in hospital so Ill give you my reads and my vote as I have no idea if ill be able to be around again until morning which will be past deadline.
First my reads are again based of feel.
First is Hzflank his case on umasi was terrible and he was forceing faulty logic.
Second is WoS the case on him wasnt that great, but the thing I really had a problem with was his reaction to it, just saying Im so Town I cant be scum.
Town reads for now.
Sylencia his reads and remarks have mirrored my own.
Umasi he has pointed out decent stuff and has been called out for it wrongly, and his reaction to the pressure.
Vascaco his vote was shit but everything since then is fine imo.
Null on everyone else.
Look my town game is shit I know. Its majiorty lynch and a no lynch is worse than a mislynch day 1 imo. I currently have the most votes and Im not sure I will be around. So for the sake of getting a lynch off.
##VOTE ONEGU
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On August 30 2013 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu plays way WAY, LIKE WAYYY better as scum than he does as town.
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EPT
