EPTThe Sum of All Fears Mafia - Page 23
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On March 28 2012 14:03 VisceraEyes wrote: No, scum are trying to mislynch you Blue. No biggie, it happens ^^ Every game I have played with Bluelightz this happens. I would go so far as to say voting for Bluelightz day 1 is a scum tell on TL mafia. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
everyone in this game loves me and bluelightz ♥ | ||
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On March 28 2012 14:06 Sinensis wrote: Every game I have played with Bluelightz this happens. I would go so far as to say voting for Bluelightz day 1 is a scum tell on TL mafia. I only played a couple, but he literally did claim scum last game. Seems like a much more involved and active Blue this game. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On March 28 2012 14:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I only played a couple, but he literally did claim scum last game. Seems like a much more involved and active Blue this game. Also this sort of list-making is typical BL town play. Kinda unhelpful? Yes. But it's how he plays town. See Purgatory Mafia as an example. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
What do you guys think of froggynoddy? I know he doesn't have many posts, but please do your best with what he's posted. | ||
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Sinensis
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Bluelightz
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Whatever I'm gonna sleep on it. Attention Non-Voters: Cyber_Cheese is the most pro-town, green imbuing lynch of the day. If you want to have lots and lots of town-cred, and be free of suspicion forever, Cyber_Cheese is the lynch candidate for you! No activity? No problem! Stop by and place your vote TODAY! | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Gonzaw says that he posted regarding not claiming nationality stuff only because c_c soft claimed his nationality. But if you look at this post below... + Show Spoiler + Also, I'd recomend nobody even slightly hint what nationality they are from. As far as I know, town don't get ANY information whatsoever if someone is US or SU, but scum can use that info to try and get their alternative win-con. So no nationality claims, nor any hint to them. If you have to claim just claim your role and nothing else. I cut out the irrelevant stuff but nothing relevant has been excluded. Here you will see him saying "Alright guys no nationality claims", and he claims he did it in response to C_C's actions. But why didnt he call him out on it? I dont know but if I thought something was suspicious/bad I would actually quote it, or at the very least point it out and question why he did it. Instead gonzaw doesnt even mention that C_C did something like that - he conveniently skipped that part. As can be seen he conveniently skips out on C_C's supicious post. Why? I believe that C_C is scum, and gonzaw is his scumbuddy. Which is why I said that. I also believe that if C_C somehow flips town (im highly doubting it considering how little he is caring at this point), gonzaw would seem to be a little more townie. Scum love to cherry-pick stuff, and the fact that he didnt actually do that whilst calling C_C out shows that he could be town assuming C_C is town. Actually this is pretty weak considering that its based off a couple of posts, but this is what I feel of the situation at hand. Im also still most comfortable with a c_c lynch since he has essentially given up. Does he do this as town? | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
You agree that cyber is scum, yet you say VE is scum out of a sudden because he wants to lynch cyber. Wat? | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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zelblade
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
1. Have been busy with uni 2. VE scares me and generally I'm finding it very difficult this game to provide much analysis as I'll explain below. The reasons VE scares me (this does not mean necessarily that I think he is scum) are based on the one game I have played till the end (Werewolves II) i.e. when Palmar single-handedly destroyed town and another scum team. How did he do this? Similarly to how VE is acting now. I wouldn't go so far as 'terrorising' but he's establishing himself as a central town leader. As far as I know town should not have leaders, particularly not this early in the game when player's alignments are at their least certain. In my eyes good townies should 1. provoke reactions in the hope of catching tells/slips and 2. build cases and argue them logically without a. resorting to threats b.buddying up to people c.switch their vote to a target other than the target whom they think is most likely scum UNLESS their is no other way for town to lynch. Now whilst VE has done some of these things, he's also asked people's opinions on various players (a majority of us here in fact) which is obv good for town. What I don't like is his buddying up with JW: BH, cool your jets. johnnywup is pretty new. Give him a chance to get acclimated before you throw all your weight at him. Go look at my case on C_C. I realize you're trying to ignore me because you disagree with my tactics, but have a little faith. Go take a look. and Jdub, don't worry about BH. If he's town then he's "pressuring" you. Don't feed the trolls, ya know? If he's scum then you're only serving to make yourself suspicious by continuing to defend yourself for no reason. I don't like his changing his vote to ET as its pretty clear he thinks the best lynch is C_C. He says this in his defence: Attention: EchelonTee is not my lynch of choice. I'm compromising for the good of the town. Thank you. I don't think its a good town move to compromise nearly 24hours before deadline when theres still a he can do to convince JW and the rest of us in C_C's case.That said, he seemed on tilt, and non-contributors (such as myself) can only make things more difficult generally. What I'm trying to say is this: the most pro-town thing to do is argue for who you believe is the most likely to be scum, as this early in the game any compromise is likely to backfire and you end up lynching townie when if you'd had stuck to your guns and argued your case then town would have had a better town lynching scum. For example, BH thinks C_C is scum but thinks JW is moreso, so he's pushing for who he believes is the most likely scum, which IMHO is good town play. If he were to deny town a lynch due to his refusing to compromise, this becomes very scummy. Finally I don't like this: Attention Non-Voters: Cyber_Cheese is the most pro-town, green imbuing lynch of the day. If you want to have lots and lots of town-cred, and be free of suspicion forever, Cyber_Cheese is the lynch candidate for you! No activity? No problem! Stop by and place your vote TODAY! This sounds like he's inviting scum to hide in the bus. Which, he might turn around and say that he is scumhunting, the problem with this logic is that C_C and VE's case on C_C is genuinely the strongest case at this point in time, so your trap, if it is one, is likely to backfire. VE is leading town, if he is townie then if we rely to much on him and mafia kill him than town is likely to crumble. If he is scum... well... we're pretty much screwed. At this point in time, as previously mentioned, the case on C_C seems the strongest and the two players who have contributed the most to finding scum (BH and VE) both have have C_C as scum, despite their apparent argument. Until I can find a better case (I hope to do so but unfortunately, am new and am finding day 1 reads to be pretty flimsy) I'm going to: ##Vote Cyber_Cheese | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On March 28 2012 20:54 froggynoddy wrote: Hey, sorry I haven't been contributing nearly as much as I should, the reasons for this are: 1. Have been busy with uni 2. VE scares me and generally I'm finding it very difficult this game to provide much analysis as I'll explain below. The reasons VE scares me (this does not mean necessarily that I think he is scum) are based on the one game I have played till the end (Werewolves II) i.e. when Palmar single-handedly destroyed town and another scum team. How did he do this? Similarly to how VE is acting now. I wouldn't go so far as 'terrorising' but he's establishing himself as a central town leader. As far as I know town should not have leaders, particularly not this early in the game when player's alignments are at their least certain. In my eyes good townies should 1. provoke reactions in the hope of catching tells/slips and 2. build cases and argue them logically without a. resorting to threats b.buddying up to people c.switch their vote to a target other than the target whom they think is most likely scum UNLESS their is no other way for town to lynch. Now whilst VE has done some of these things, he's also asked people's opinions on various players (a majority of us here in fact) which is obv good for town. What I don't like is his buddying up with JW: and I don't like his changing his vote to ET as its pretty clear he thinks the best lynch is C_C. He says this in his defence: I don't think its a good town move to compromise nearly 24hours before deadline when theres still a he can do to convince JW and the rest of us in C_C's case.That said, he seemed on tilt, and non-contributors (such as myself) can only make things more difficult generally. What I'm trying to say is this: the most pro-town thing to do is argue for who you believe is the most likely to be scum, as this early in the game any compromise is likely to backfire and you end up lynching townie when if you'd had stuck to your guns and argued your case then town would have had a better town lynching scum. For example, BH thinks C_C is scum but thinks JW is moreso, so he's pushing for who he believes is the most likely scum, which IMHO is good town play. If he were to deny town a lynch due to his refusing to compromise, this becomes very scummy. Finally I don't like this: This sounds like he's inviting scum to hide in the bus. Which, he might turn around and say that he is scumhunting, the problem with this logic is that C_C and VE's case on C_C is genuinely the strongest case at this point in time, so your trap, if it is one, is likely to backfire. VE is leading town, if he is townie then if we rely to much on him and mafia kill him than town is likely to crumble. If he is scum... well... we're pretty much screwed. At this point in time, as previously mentioned, the case on C_C seems the strongest and the two players who have contributed the most to finding scum (BH and VE) both have have C_C as scum, despite their apparent argument. Until I can find a better case (I hope to do so but unfortunately, am new and am finding day 1 reads to be pretty flimsy) I'm going to: ##Vote Cyber_Cheese Wait, you bother pointing out all VE's faults, and then sheep vote along side him anyway? It's simple, we kill the VE. ##Unvote ##Vote VisceraEyes I have to work, and the deadline ends right when I finish (T_T) Hopefully you guys aren't stupid enough to kill me, but we'll see. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
I think you are more likely to flip scum, however VE being scum has more severe consequences. The course I recommend would be to lynch you whilst the rest of us be more active and usefull townies (apart from BH)... therefore mitigating VE's effects on town (which as I explained earlier whether he is town or scum are considerable). And yes I know that's hypocritical coming from the guy with second lowest filtre, but that doesn't make me wrong though. | ||
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