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Ok so I only have an hour cause of break at school and then going to be gone for about 10 or so hours so I will try to do as much as I can in this hour.
On January 07 2014 01:16 suki wrote:
Hi Chyz,
Can you share your thoughts on Dragoon/BigDad for me as well?
I don't really like what Dragoon is doing atm. He first votes for me for the reason of bringing confusion to the town by being trolly and then the rest of his posts are useless and just defending people without any reason to which is strange to me. Then his last post is basically a troll post which is similar to what I did to get people to bandwagon on top of me, so I would like to hear if his read of me has changed because its been quite some time since his vote.
As for BigDad I like almost everything he is saying so far. No over reaction to Jonny pressuring him and I don't really have anything that reads scummy from him.
In addition, derrida just came in and posted really nothing of value except for facts. He also didn't really poke his head out on anybody except the lurkers and the one posting the most. It just doesn't sit and what strikes me the most off putting is that he would put me in the clear and have absolutely NO suspicion on me. I am in a position currently where most people, even if they think I'm town-ish, would agree that I do look a bit scummy. So to get an easy pass from him kinda seems to me like he knows who the real town is. Also him jumping on Balla seems to me like wanting to quiet him down maybe? Ionno but mostly for the reason of having me as not suspicious makes me very suspicious of him.
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And since we're porbably waiting for Suki as well...
@Derrida The reason lists can be distracting is because you can spark discussion around neutral people that just wastes time as there is no case there in the first place. As you came in late and read the thread in its current entirety (I assume) you have a slightly different view point to everyone else. Could you please expand on WHO you think we SHOULD lynch today and why?
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@Dragoon
Yeah but why or HOW would scum have any extra knowledge about Asuna, besides Asuna being scum with them? Are you suggesting that Jonnylaw might be preparing for a buss? Are you saying you think JonnyLaw has a blue read on Asuna (Be very careful answering this question)?
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On January 07 2014 03:40 chinstrap wrote:
And since we're porbably waiting for Suki as well...
@Derrida The reason lists can be distracting is because you can spark discussion around neutral people that just wastes time as there is no case there in the first place. As you came in late and read the thread in its current entirety (I assume) you have a slightly different view point to everyone else. Could you please expand on WHO you think we SHOULD lynch today and why?
On top of this, I said it before and I said it again: ITS SO EASY FOR SCUM TO HIDE BEHIND. It lets people get away with very weak reasoning by just listing their fake reads.. it's literally the easiest thing to do as scum. Focusing on your most important reads makes your read and reasoning more clear because you can be more detailed.
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On January 06 2014 20:11 Day_Walker wrote:@Asuna I agree JonnyLaw is going after people for what could easily be newbie mistakes (I mean this is a newbie game right?) but at the same time he is targeting weak play and convenient scum excuses. You came back at him really aggressively, and I'm curious if you have anything more to say about Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 15:58 Asuna wrote:
... Forget about Chyz being my #1 most scummy, you're the new #1. You just don't feel quite town, something doesn't fit right. ...
I get that Jonny isn't exactly saying nice things about you, but this is a pretty weak accusation.
No I don't have anything else to say about that.
On January 07 2014 00:05 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 15:49 theDragoon wrote:On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote:
Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line.
I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point.
Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided.
That's enough of a reason to lynch Asuna? I don't see that as good enough to suspect Asuna of being mafia, unless you know more than what you've said there. Those 3 things you listed there is just a sign of an inexperienced player, it has nothing to do with being a scum. Here, Dragoon defends Asuna by hinting that Jonny knows more than what he's said. I think this is a possible scum slip, as only mafia are really ever thinking about hiding information.
I thought Jonny was hiding stuff too. He's apparently pretty forthcoming about his reasoning regarding everyone else, but when it comes to Chyz he dismisses his dismissive waving off of Chyz as probably townie by saying that
On January 06 2014 16:56 JonnyLaw wrote:
Chyz has 5 real posts. I'm not laying my entire thought process out there unless it's needed to secure a lynch. Why telegraph your hunting for scum to adapt?
His quick daywalker vote is the only part that strikes me as being off.
And then later he says that he just doesn't disagree with Chyz in another post. I feel like he knows something about Chyz that is being hidden. Who knows, maybe they are masons and aren't evil buddies, but I definitely do feel like he's hiding something like Dragoon said.
And yes, I am agreeing with Dragoon on that even though we seem to be moving in the direction of suspecting Dragoon and suspecting why he doesn't suspect me.
And finally... I'm not on Derrida's list D:
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On January 07 2014 03:45 Asuna wrote:
Who knows, maybe they are masons and aren't evil buddies, but I definitely do feel like he's hiding something like Dragoon said.
The fact that the game contains an innocent child makes the likelihood of there also being a mason pair highly highly unlikely
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A lot has happened since I voted for TheChyz and I think there's been enough to clear his name for now. Right now I'm a bit undecided on who to cast my vote on.
##Unvote TheChyz
@TheChyz I also find it a bit odd that derrida doesn't think you are suspicious. If he was mafia, then jumping on TheChyz bandwagon would be the easiest thing to do...
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around 1.5% if my math is any good
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@Balla, I do not necessarily disagree with anyone's read on Dragoon, I just think some of them are far-fetched and reading too much into possibly nothing. If you wish I could elaborate more on this but the discussion is moving fast at the moment.
@Chinstrap, as I mentioned in my initial post, Suki and Sidesprang are my top two contenders right now. If you were to push me for one definite vote, currently I would go with Sidesprang. I find his last three pots really suspicious. Supports Balla in the first two, than just goes AFK without saying much. The third post includes reads that do not actually say anything. It's as if he is actively trying to avoid getting into sticky situations where he might be directed tough questions that would expose him as scum.
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Chin my strongest town reads right now are Balla and jonny. I like the way Balla is pressuring people and jonnys reasoning
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But along with that logic (to me anyways) if he is mafia then he call me off as town and if I happen to die he can say "told you so". If he just jumped on the bandwagon then it might have attracted a little attention to himself which has happened to the few others who have just entered the game and called me scummy. It just seems like he knows a bit too much about me on the first day which makes me think of him as scummy.
And Derrida, could you say why you think I am not scummy more in-depth.
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EBWOP: First paragraph was in response to this:
On January 07 2014 03:49 theDragoon wrote:
@TheChyz I also find it a bit odd that derrida doesn't think you are suspicious. If he was mafia, then jumping on TheChyz bandwagon would be the easiest thing to do...
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On January 07 2014 03:41 Balla24 wrote:
@Dragoon
Yeah but why or HOW would scum have any extra knowledge about Asuna, besides Asuna being scum with them? Are you suggesting that Jonnylaw might be preparing for a buss? Are you saying you think JonnyLaw has a blue read on Asuna (Be very careful answering this question)?
Like I said in my previous post, I don't know whether or not he has extra knowledge on Asuna, I just don't buy his reason to lynch Asuna. If his reason to lynch Asuna isn't solid, then why would he choose to lynch Asuna?
I don't know what a buss is, sorry.
I'm not saying JonnyLaw has a blue read on Asuna. If he did, then why would he want to lynch Asuna?
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On January 07 2014 03:58 theDragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 03:41 Balla24 wrote:
@Dragoon
Yeah but why or HOW would scum have any extra knowledge about Asuna, besides Asuna being scum with them? Are you suggesting that Jonnylaw might be preparing for a buss? Are you saying you think JonnyLaw has a blue read on Asuna (Be very careful answering this question)? Like I said in my previous post, I don't know whether or not he has extra knowledge on Asuna, I just don't buy his reason to lynch Asuna. If his reason to lynch Asuna isn't solid, then why would he choose to lynch Asuna? I don't know what a buss is, sorry. I'm not saying JonnyLaw has a blue read on Asuna. If he did, then why would he want to lynch Asuna?
Buss = "Throwing somebody under the buss" = When a mafia player attacks their teammate in order to gain town cred...
To your last sentence: Because a scum would want to kill blues.
Anyways, since this isn't going anywhere.. why did you dodge the "top 2 scum" earlier?
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[QUOTE]On January 07 2014 03:58 theDragoon wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 07 2014 03:41 Balla24 wrote:
I'm not saying JonnyLaw has a blue read on Asuna. If he did, then why would he want to lynch Asuna? [/QUOTE]
Actually, now that I think about it. This seems like a slip to me....
You've been implying that you think Jonny is scum, yet you very seemingly call him town here and don't even consider it from a scum perspective.
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EBWOP: Screwed that up.
On January 07 2014 03:58 theDragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 03:41 Balla24 wrote:
I'm not saying JonnyLaw has a blue read on Asuna. If he did, then why would he want to lynch Asuna?
Actually, now that I think about it. This seems like a slip to me....
You've been implying that you think Jonny is scum, yet you very seemingly call him town here and don't even consider it from a scum perspective.
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@Balla,
Suki's read: + Show Spoiler +TheDragoon:On January 06 2014 14:45 theDragoon wrote:
Acting scummy on purpose is a bit of a stupid plan for a townie, all it does is put a target on your back and force you to defend yourself early, you might get a little insight into how people are reacting to it but it's a really risky move. A risk that a regular townie with no powers should be willing to make.
A mafia putting his name out there this early is a bad plan if enough people jump on the bandwagon. I'm conflicted, all TheChyz has done is create confusion. If enough people get off the bandwagon and he turns out to be a mafia, then he's won and the risk he took with putting his name out there would be totally worth it.
Whether or not it's true that TheChyz was telling the truth about the whole act like a scum thing, all it's really done is create confusion among the town.
##Vote: TheChyz This post is really WIFOM-y. Not only that, but he doesn't even come to a solid conclusion about TheChyz, essentially saying 'TheChyz's play is confusing so I'm voting for him'. On January 06 2014 15:49 theDragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote:
Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line.
I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point.
Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided.
That's enough of a reason to lynch Asuna? I don't see that as good enough to suspect Asuna of being mafia, unless you know more than what you've said there. Those 3 things you listed there is just a sign of an inexperienced player, it has nothing to do with being a scum. Here, Dragoon defends Asuna by hinting that Jonny knows more than what he's said. I think this is a possible scum slip, as only mafia are really ever thinking about hiding information.
Here the first point that Dragoon is WIFOM-y is meh. I could see the logic behind thinking about lynching TheChyz if Dragoon believes he creates confusion in town. If he is mafia, well that is good, but if he is not, you just lynch a bad player playing a townie and lift some of the fog.
The second point is really far fetched in my opinion, I mean woah, a Freudian slip about hiding information that signals he might be scum. Not my cup of tea. Actually, thinking about this now, don't you think this is suspicious of Suki?
Balla's read: You first pressure Dragoon about his usage of "random accusations," which I interpret as a tactic of making him talk more. I am not the type of person that dwells on specific usage of words or concepts as long as I can get a feel of the general argument. Therefore, your pressuring of Dragoon on his word choices seemed unnecessary to me. I don't think you have any other reads than this unless I'm missing something?
BigDad's read: He doesn't really have a 'read' on Dragoon, just says he is suspicious of Dragoon because a reply of his does not "nourish conversation but rather stifle's it" (I do agree with this initial suspicion). However, I do not see where Dragoon dodges certain questions that would make him look suspicious?
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@Dragoon: What does this mean, could you expand on this please?
"@TheChyz I also find it a bit odd that derrida doesn't think you are suspicious. If he was mafia, then jumping on TheChyz bandwagon would be the easiest thing to do..."
--going for a 3x02 sherlock break, be back in about 90 minutes--
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Ok unfortunately I will be afk for 9-10 hours. But for the last time Derrida, can you answer me why I do not seem scummy to you more in-depth?
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He dodged me asking for his top scum reads twice now, and if he doesn't answer this time it's gonna be a third time ^_^ That's pretty scummy to me. Shows that he's afraid to make even the weakest commitments to his reads.
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