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suki
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Balla24
2322 Posts
@Day_Walker On January 06 2014 19:32 Day_Walker wrote: Onlywonderboy because I reread his filter from the scum perspective, and I could see it making sense as scum play. What do you mean by this? What specifically was your thinking here when you wrote this... I want to see what you came up with "onlywonderboy's" scum perspective... | ||
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Balla24
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On January 07 2014 00:43 Day_Walker wrote: Hmm. Jonny himself brings up the possibility that he is holding back information, but does so after theDragoon does: Hmm.. This one's interesting to me. I'm a big proponent of looking for the presence of information bias or LACK of information bias to make reads. So I don't necessarily think that what thedragoon did was inherently a scum slip. However, in that context I totally do agree with you suki... He's saying "unless you know more than what you've said there" in regards to lynching Asuna... If jonny was mafia how would he know more about a reason to lynch Asuna at this point? I'd like you to explain that theDragoon. One more thing that i want to correct: Jonny is clearly speaking about his reads here, whereas theDragoon was speaking about "information bias" about knowing who is town and who is not. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
So Dnyarri, why do you think dragoon is sketchier than some other people in the game.. what do you think of suki/jonny/me etc etc etc... | ||
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
On January 07 2014 01:16 suki wrote: Hi Chyz, Can you share your thoughts on Dragoon/BigDad for me as well? I would very much like a answer to this question with a reasonable level of depth and thought if possible as I think it is important. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On January 06 2014 22:12 BigDad wrote: I'm looking to hear from Balla, Suki and see what Jonny makes of my explanations before I finalise my vote in the morning. However my suspicions are still clear in the above posts and I'll probably stick with them rather than jump on a bandwagon. I've already stated pretty much all of what you said in regards to day_walker/dragoon... as far as Asuna. Yeah, I agree, totally feasible defensive townie. Only reason I included him in my "would lynch" list is because Jonny was currently pressuring them and I didn't want to undermine that by saying I actually think his reaction was townie... (which I did), so I acted like it wasn't really swaying me. What I think of dragoon's soft defense of Asuna? It's difficult to come to conclusions about it until dragoon flips, and flips scum... otherwise there's really nothing to glean from it. I do find day_walker's post about it weird, where he lays out the 2 situations seemingly assuming Asuna is town 100%... Why can't it be that they are both scum? At least it fits with his big post where he basically calls everyone town (which in itself is weird... you should be suspicious of everyone early not so easily dismissive of small posts as townie plays).. Anyways, since we have a huge timezone gap for some people, we need to consolidate on a few lynch targets TODAY, so that the people who can't be around here for the deadline will be able to hopefully make their votes meaningful. This means I want everyone's votes out on someone by the end of the day, obviously not final. My reasoning is, if we aren't doing this, people like BigDad might just put their vote on someone that is completely irrelevant by the end of the day, which is soooooo unhelpful in finding out his alignment. | ||
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Derrida
2885 Posts
 Glad I made it in time for day one.This is my first ever Mafia game. I've just finished reading all the guidelines, and read & re-read through this thread twice before posting. Excuse me if my style appears too by-the-book for this game as I don't have any precedents to base my rhetoric on. I live in the GMT +2 timezone, and will hopefully be very active as long as I'm awake. I will refrain from posting oneliners, if I'm doing so, it's probably because I'm writing from my mobile. Here are my initial reactions/reads in alphabetical order: Balla24: initially looked suspiciously scummy with what I thought to be an over-the-top aggressive style that tries to win credibility. So far only suggested cracking down on lurkers, which is not necessarily an anti-scum policy as far as I understand. Looks like much talk no action to me, high activity does not presuppose him being a townie. Alert level: ORANGE BigDad: Did make long posts but I can't decide on this one yet. Need to see more posts. Alert level: YELLOW Daywalker: wow, some really good reads by this guy. Certainly gave me a lot of insight and I can clearly follow his line of thinking and argumentation, no bullshit so far. Still, I might be susceptible to manipulation due to my inexperience. Alert level: GREEN JohnnyLaw: Constantly pushes people to cut through the bullshit and make transparent statements so we can get a clear read on them. I think this is extremely good townie behaviour. Alert level: GREEN Onlyboywonder: Three posts so far. Says "My main goal this game is to be more active and contribute meaningful analysis to the town," but is not active at all. Need see more from him before the day is over. Alert level: ORANGE Suki: as pointed out by chinstrap, his "let's go back to hunting smileyface" oneliner is extremely alarming. After this, its almost as if he feigns death and distracts by introducing TheBigDad and theDragoon in a long post without any solid arguments really. Alert level: RED Sidesprang: now here's one that posted three times without actually saying anything. no added-value whatsoever so far. Alert level: RED TheChyz: responded exactly the way I would to Balla's initial aggressively-active attitude, so he didn't ring any alarm bells for me. Came through as a skeptic that got bandwagoned really hard for no tangible reason. Alert level: GREEN TheDragoon: null for me so far. Suspiciously null perhaps? Alert level: YELLOW Suki and Sidesprang are the top contenders for my lynch vote so far, but I will not vote just yet. ----- So, where do we go from here? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
Daywalker: wow, some really good reads by this guy. Certainly gave me a lot of insight and I can clearly follow his line of thinking and argumentation, no bullshit so far. Still, I might be susceptible to manipulation due to my inexperience. Alert level: GREEN Are you serious with this? He literally just sheeped on everybody, especially in his first post... | ||
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Derrida
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Balla24
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On January 07 2014 03:11 Derrida wrote: What do you mean by "sheeped"? Just reiterated what people said. "I agree with this, therefore I also think this is scummy" etc | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
I find it REALLY REALLY weird that Day_walker is your top town read, and that dragoon is null for you even though you were able to come up with reads on people with much less content (sidesprang, OWB) | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On January 07 2014 03:07 Derrida wrote: TheChyz: responded exactly the way I would to Balla's initial aggressively-active attitude, so he didn't ring any alarm bells for me. Came through as a skeptic that got bandwagoned really hard for no tangible reason. Alert level: GREEN So what do you make of his claims that it was a ploy to catch band-wagoners? He responded exactly the way you would you say, which: 1. He has since retracted those statements against me saying he was trying to say something "trolly" 2. Lots of people have already called that initial response SCUMMY, which is why he was getting bandwagoned in the first place, so I ask you, whats your reasoning behind thinking that way? | ||
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Derrida
2885 Posts
Other issues: On my re-read of the thread, my thinking/reads were really parallel with Daywalker's initial reads, that's why I enjoyed reading his what I thought to be a rather detailed analysis of the posts so far. Perhaps solid is not the best choice of word indeed. On the issue of coming up with reads on less content, I don't see the problem with this. With TheDragoon, I couldn't get any negative or positive vibes despite his post quantity. Onlyboywonder is pretty self-explanatory I think; he says he will be very active but is not. For sidesprang, I guess you could call it a hunch, it's just that his posts are without any content but he posts away anyway. somewhat offtopic: + Show Spoiler + is there a easy way of accessing people's filters, like i always go to some random page to find someones post and click his filter before I write anything, which is time consuming | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On January 07 2014 03:07 Derrida wrote: Balla24: initially looked suspiciously scummy with what I thought to be an over-the-top aggressive style that tries to win credibility. So far only suggested cracking down on lurkers, which is not necessarily an anti-scum policy as far as I understand. Looks like much talk no action to me, high activity does not presuppose him being a townie. Alert level: ORANGE Ugh. Really sorry to keep harping on your post, but there are a LOT of holes, IMO. First off, you're doing the same thing Chyz was doing by putting words in my mouth (which again, he has since "retracted"). I didn't suggest cracking down on lurkers at all, I said I want to create an ENVIRONMENT where lurking is NOT a good strategy for scum, which I feel I have succeeded for the most part, that's why I keep insisting on having conversations etc... Secondly: You're really trying to say that's the ONLY thing I have done? Do you disagree with all my analysis of people or something which makes you write it off as fluff? I don't get it. | ||
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
On January 07 2014 03:31 Derrida wrote: somewhat offtopic: + Show Spoiler + is there a easy way of accessing people's filters, like i always go to some random page to find someones post and click his filter before I write anything, which is time consuming On the front page sin ups list | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On January 07 2014 03:31 Derrida wrote: Well I don't really care if people dislike lists, it's a method with which I feel comfortable expressing myself in a concise manner, and I think it's a good way of firstposting. Other issues: On my re-read of the thread, my thinking/reads were really parallel with Daywalker's initial reads, that's why I enjoyed reading his what I thought to be a rather detailed analysis of the posts so far. Perhaps solid is not the best choice of word indeed. On the issue of coming up with reads on less content, I don't see the problem with this. With TheDragoon, I couldn't get any negative or positive vibes despite his post quantity. Onlyboywonder is pretty self-explanatory I think; he says he will be very active but is not. For sidesprang, I guess you could call it a hunch, it's just that his posts are without any content but he posts away anyway. somewhat offtopic: + Show Spoiler + is there a easy way of accessing people's filters, like i always go to some random page to find someones post and click his filter before I write anything, which is time consuming It's just weird that for OWB/Sidesprang which most others have been calling null you come up with something, but for dragoon (who most people are NOT null on) you call null. Do you disagree with people's reads on dragoon (Suki's, Mine, BigDads etc) | ||
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
On January 07 2014 02:26 chinstrap wrote: Ok boys and girls I am back from work and ready to Sherlock Holmes this shit up. I would very much like a answer to this question with a reasonable level of depth and thought if possible as I think it is important. Seriously I think this is super mega important. While we wait: @Suki Who are your top TOWN reads - I realise you said you left but even a short answer on a phone would be great | ||
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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
On January 07 2014 01:36 Balla24 wrote: He's saying "unless you know more than what you've said there" in regards to lynching Asuna... If jonny was mafia how would he know more about a reason to lynch Asuna at this point? I'd like you to explain that theDragoon. I said that because his reasoning to lynch Asuna was basically due to Asuna's inexperience, which I think is not a good enough reason to be lynched when there are a lot more suspicious people out there. I don't know if Jonny knows more about Asuna, I only thought that because I was not buying his reason to lynch Asuna. | ||
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