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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 20:40 GMT
#441
hahahahahah JonnyLax hahahahahahahaha holy shit that was good
theDragoon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada307 Posts
January 06 2014 20:42 GMT
#442
On January 07 2014 05:27 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 11:22 Balla24 wrote:
Ok, seems reasonable that i'm overthinking it and it's not an attempt to pocket me but more him actually being disappointed with the IC's play so far.

Anyways, him attempting to pocket me isn't really something i see him doing from my experience with him.

I'm not familiar with the term pocketing. I didn't realize he was joking so I defended you. We've played with some confrontational players in these last few newb games so I thought he was just being super aggro.

I'm not comfortable with a Derrida lynch Day 1 just yet. I think his inexperience is showing more than his scumminess. He was gone for a large portion of the day and was trying to make up for his inactivity by posting a lot of information. Unfortunately it's really easy to sheep when there has already been so much discussion prior to posting.

Although now that I refresh the page I see that the discussion has sort of shifted away from Derrida. My main scum reads at the moment are Dragoon and Day_Walker. They seem to be interacting a decent amount, which isn't inherently scummy, but they go out of there way to distance themselves from each other.

Dragoon says "For the record, I want to make it clear that I never said I completely trust Day_Walker,"

Then Day_Walker says:

Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 21:03 Day_Walker wrote:
At the risk of playing into the "Day_Walker and theDragoon are protecting each other because they are both scum" read, what do you make of theDragoon standing up for Asuna?

On January 06 2014 15:49 theDragoon wrote:
On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote:


Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line.

I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point.

Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided.


That's enough of a reason to lynch Asuna? I don't see that as good enough to suspect Asuna of being mafia, unless you know more than what you've said there. Those 3 things you listed there is just a sign of an inexperienced player, it has nothing to do with being a scum.


Off the top of my head I can think of only two scenarios where this is consistent with theDragoon scum AND Asuna townie:
1) Scum are protecting some townies to make things harder to read.
2) Scum are trying to make it easier to play the "I'm a newbie" card.


I understand wanting to get out ahead of these accusations, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it simply because he pushed Dragoon slightly. These just seem like they are trying to distance themselves early so if either if them go down we don't suspect them as a scum pair.


You've got the timeline wrong, he posted that before I posted mine. It does look suspicious, given the way you skewed the timeline of those posts. I also wanted to clarify things with that post because people were putting words in my mouth without reading the entirety of that post.

Because of falsifying evidence and trying to frame me
##Vote:onlywonderboy
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 20:45 GMT
#443
Uhm... how does the timeline say anything? To me its exactly the same thing when i read it backwards or when i read it in the order he posted.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 06 2014 20:49 GMT
#444
I did get the timeline wrong, but that would be a pretty shitty tactic for me to use in order to "frame" someone considering how easy that would be to check. I was sorting through a lot of information and messed up the order. I still think my point stand where you guys are trying to distance yourself.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 20:50 GMT
#445
I honestly think that we caught 2 scum here hehe
probuLing
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States75 Posts
January 06 2014 20:59 GMT
#446
Huh, I wasn't expecting dragoon to instavote owb after a small timeline messup (since votes are understood to be 100% serious). Not sure what to think about that...

On January 07 2014 05:50 Balla24 wrote:
I honestly think that we caught 2 scum here hehe

I'm assuming dragoon is one, but who's #2?

On January 07 2014 05:40 Balla24 wrote:
hahahahahah JonnyLax hahahahahahahaha holy shit that was good

And what's this about o.O confused D:
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 06 2014 21:01 GMT
#447
On January 07 2014 05:59 Asuna wrote:
Huh, I wasn't expecting dragoon to instavote owb after a small timeline messup (since votes are understood to be 100% serious). Not sure what to think about that...

Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 05:50 Balla24 wrote:
I honestly think that we caught 2 scum here hehe

I'm assuming dragoon is one, but who's #2?

Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 05:40 Balla24 wrote:
hahahahahah JonnyLax hahahahahahahaha holy shit that was good

And what's this about o.O confused D:

chinstrap called JonnyLaw JonnyLax in a post on the last page.

If my theory hold true #2 would be Day_Walker
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:07 GMT
#448
^ yep
theDragoon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada307 Posts
January 06 2014 21:15 GMT
#449
On January 07 2014 05:49 onlywonderboy wrote:
I did get the timeline wrong, but that would be a pretty shitty tactic for me to use in order to "frame" someone considering how easy that would be to check. I was sorting through a lot of information and messed up the order. I still think my point stand where you guys are trying to distance yourself.


It's a fair point but I was being accused of "trusting" Day_walker when in fact I have never indicated such a thing. From my first post about his read on me I already had doubts. Read it again:

Also, on Day_Walker he seems to have good intentions.Calling out TheChyz as the only possible scum on the list seems like a bandwagon hop to me but TheChyz has been suspicious so it's something I agree with. His read on me I find is a bit unnecessary and does not really prove that I am a townie. I'm sure everyone playing this game is not afraid to disagree and standing up for yourself is something everyone does. He might just be including me on the list because I've posted a bit but his reasoning behind me as a townie really has no foundation.


I can't believe I have to post this twice. But nowhere in that post do I indicate my trust in Day_Walker other than the part where we agree with TheChyz being suspicious, then again so have other people at that point. I immediately discredit his read on me as a townie. What does that say about my opinion of him? Read the bold part. Do you really think I trust someone, if I can't even trust his read on me being a townie? For a bunch of people intent on reading every little thing in a post, you guys all seem to overlook that part.

Also, Balla24, you're rising up my suspicions list with the immediate jump on lynching me and thinking you guys caught 2 scum with me and Day_walker. <-- I know this looks suspicious as hell but I want to clear my name. Day_Walker may very well be scum and I've hinted at that right from the beginning when asked what I thought of Day_Walker's read on me. So the theory of me trying to distance myself from him really has no ground to stand on.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:16 GMT
#450
Would totally lynch sidesprang for lurking if I didn't feel like i had some good scum reads btw, just as a backup..
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
January 06 2014 21:20 GMT
#451
So @balla24, how do you feel about my town reads?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:20 GMT
#452
@Dragoon What do you think of Derrida
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:27 GMT
#453
On January 07 2014 06:20 chinstrap wrote:
So @balla24, how do you feel about my town reads?


I mean they are mostly useless information from you haha, especially since none of those people are under the gun atm, and they arent numerous enough to work backwards and find scum by process of elimination.

JonnyLax (heuehu) is very consistent with his town meta atm. Aggressive, abrasive, and general cockiness early game indicate that, especially if you read his last two newbie games (here is one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&currentpage=88)

I'm really neutral on suki... she makes good decent cases that I agree with for the most part, and I do trust her scum radar from speaking to her in other obs game and reading her previous games. And I totally can see from those why she was so adamant about the "cluttering" subject. I don't really view what she did as scummy last night, when she just left after we traded previous games as the other guys do... so there's that..


Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:29 GMT
#454
Also in regards to Chyz: not really suspicious of him anymore, especially after i get past the WIFOM of his opening play. He seems to be genuinely worried about how some people (derrida) reacted to it so that's good.
theDragoon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada307 Posts
January 06 2014 21:33 GMT
#455
@Balla24: I've already said that him putting TheChyz into the clear after the majority of people thought he was shady was a bit suspicious. Reading through Derrida's filter I don't really get any scummy vibes from him.

He also gave onlywonderboy an orange alert level for being afk, which I think is a really dumb reason. He also gave sidesprang an alert level of red for not really posting anything. From that he looks like he's going after people who don't post much, I don't really agree with that, unless he did that to make them post more.

I can't say if he's a townie or mafia but he's pretty low on my suspicious rating.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:36 GMT
#456
So you don't find it suspicious that he was so enamored with Day_walker and that he came up with a NULL read on you?

What about his read on me, you're becoming more suspicious of me so is what he said aligned with your thinking?

@OWB: Was Day_walker/Dragoon the only connection you found? Let's hear anything else in regards to connections like that since that was how you seemed to be hunting. I found a few more weak connections, but i'd like you to prove that you were actually hunting and you didn't just find ONE thing to latch onto.

chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
January 06 2014 21:38 GMT
#457
Are you you want to be putting cards like that on the table now?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:38 GMT
#458
Essentially, theDragoon, what do you think about all my concerns about Derrida's entrance starting from here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&currentpage=20#389

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:38 GMT
#459
On January 07 2014 06:38 chinstrap wrote:
Are you you want to be putting cards like that on the table now?

You mean in regards to my q towards @OWB?
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
January 06 2014 21:39 GMT
#460
Yes
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