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On January 07 2014 07:02 theDragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 06:55 onlywonderboy wrote:On January 07 2014 06:36 Balla24 wrote:
So you don't find it suspicious that he was so enamored with Day_walker and that he came up with a NULL read on you?
What about his read on me, you're becoming more suspicious of me so is what he said aligned with your thinking?
@OWB: Was Day_walker/Dragoon the only connection you found? Let's hear anything else in regards to connections like that since that was how you seemed to be hunting. I found a few more weak connections, but i'd like you to prove that you were actually hunting and you didn't just find ONE thing to latch onto.
I know it's not the answer you want to hear, but that's the only real pair that stood out to me. I didn't start hunting with the goal of finding pairs, that one just sort of happened. I'm glad you think I'm capable of doing good analysis, but nothing else really stood out to me (or at least nothing that hadn't already been said). Don't think I didn't take my time to formulate my analysis on Day_Walker and Dragoon though What do you think of Derrida giving Day_Walker the green light and have COMPLETE TRUST in him? You label Day_Walker and I as scum because I "seemingly trusted and turned by back on him so we can distance ourselves". I don't think you're reading my posts at all since I have never trusted Day_Walker ONCE. I'll know when you start reading my posts when you remove that vote on me. I still want you to prove the part where I gave my trust in Day_Walker and pinpoint the exact moment where I try to "distance myself" from him.
I'm of the mindset that Derrida's initial reads were pretty bad and I'm not reading too much into them. I did something almost exactly the same in my first game where I agreed with people fairly blindly and I didn't really have solid reasons for why I did. It looks scummy but I think it's just be bad town play.
He is right though, he doesn't specifically say he trusts Day_Walker. He is distancing himself but it may just be a result of people calling him out for trusting him in the first place. I'm leaving my vote for now but I'm open to the idea of lynching another target if one presents itself. Possibly Day_Walker since he hasn't responded to these accusations, might just be lurking since our focus is on Dragoon.
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Hello, guys and gals. Just got home.
dragoon - what is that last post? I'm going to read his filter but I'd lynch him for martyring alone. Scum that gave up? I mean really it's day 1 with 24 hours to go in the game. Of course there's a way to "get out of this mess."
owb - doing something, yay.
Gonna look at filters only read the thread so far.
be back in a few mins.
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@Suki
BigDad, answer me this: Aside from Dragoon 'trusting' Daywalker, what else about DayWalker makes him look scummy to you?
Here's my analysis of Day_Walkers game so far which makes me mistrustful.
He opens with a list of character reads (a common theme in this thread) which appears to contain a lot of content however if you strip out all the quoting he has done and put it in the context of his following posts it shows Day_Walker as a player who is appearing to contribute without saying too much.
To back my doubt in Day_walker have a look here..
[B]Day_Walker..."I'm probably going to be guilty of this, making big posts like the one above and then leaving. If you ask me direction questions like you've been asking other people, that may help me sprinkle in some smaller posts when I have time to sit in the thread and discuss things."
..maybe im being an overly suspicious townie but I hate when people create an alibi for their style of play early in the game; it may be an attempt to misdirect any doubt on him.
Also, scum tend to spend alot of time apologising for their actions and not trying to get anyones bad side. Suki, can you have a look at Day_Walkers feed and tell me if you can see where I am coming from?
[B]##Vote Day_Walker
I'd also like to hear JonnyLaws opinion on Day_Walker after the recent activity.
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ugh my vote didnt work.
##Vote Day_Walker
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BigDad, i'm curious as to why you keep asking people who you think are town (I THINK) for their opinions on your cases... How does that help your case besides trying to get people who you deem town behind it and gain traction that way? Why not point your questions at your suspects?
Correct me if i'm wrong though, but that's just the impression i got... you might not actually town read them haha
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On January 06 2014 22:12 BigDad wrote:
I'm looking to hear from Balla, Suki and see what Jonny makes of my explanations before I finalise my vote in the morning. However my suspicions are still clear in the above posts and I'll probably stick with them rather than jump on a bandwagon.
This is another time you did it that i'm talking about.
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Yeah I'm down to lynch dragoon.
I'll make a quick summary case for people to pick apart and maybe it'll allow him to defend himself.
On January 06 2014 09:55 theDragoon wrote:
Guys, this is very difficult compared to mafia IRL. But if I'm to go with my experience playing with friends, the most vocal people at the start who try to take control of the game tend to be mafia. Random accusations seem suspicious as well, so based on what's been posted so far, my eye is on Balla24, sidesprang and TheChyz.
Picks agro players and calls them scum.
Then two posts later he calls Chyz town and then votes for him.
A risk that a regular townie with no powers should be willing to make.
odd.
Also, on Day_Walker he seems to have good intentions.Calling out TheChyz as the only possible scum on the list seems like a bandwagon hop to me but TheChyz has been suspicious so it's something I agree with.
I don't understand why he keeps contradicting himself in the same sentence. daywlker's bandwagoning but he likes it?
Then talks about my pressure on Asuna and dismisses it completely without reason. Defending one player can easily build cred, especially if the other player made an effort to redeem their posting.
The more I read it the more I dislike this post as well.
Addressed @DW
His read on me I find is a bit unnecessary and does not really prove that I am a townie. I'm sure everyone playing this game is not afraid to disagree and standing up for yourself is something everyone does. He might just be including me on the list because I've posted a bit but his reasoning behind me as a townie really has no foundation.
It feels so forced. The idea is that we have no reason to think he's town because he's thinking like a town player. I just don't buy it. Fuck, this could all be bad play is my biggest issue with lynching dragoon. His martyr play pisses me off enough to do it though.
##vote: the_dragoon
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@Day_walker, what do you think about OWB right now? He was one of your two lynch candidates after you figured out chinstrap was IC, and I thought your justification was really superficial for arguing in favor of lynching OWB:
"Onlywonderboy because I reread his filter from the scum perspective, and I could see it making sense as scum play."
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@Balla24
As far as I understand the best two ways to generate discussion early game are:
a) Ask people their opinions so we can cross reference them throughout the game.
b) Do what TheChyz did and bluff people onto bandwagons
I don't have a solid read on Suki yet, i need to have another look at her feed. I was responding to her questioning and subsequent vote.
I simply asked JonnyLaw for his opinion because my post was actually in response to something he asked earlier.
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On January 07 2014 08:05 Derrida wrote:
@Day_walker, what do you think about OWB right now? He was one of your two lynch candidates after you figured out chinstrap was IC, and I thought your justification was really superficial for arguing in favor of lynching OWB:
"Onlywonderboy because I reread his filter from the scum perspective, and I could see it making sense as scum play."
Yep:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 07 2014 01:27 Balla24 wrote:Nice, lots of activity. However, there's also a LOT of fluff. Rehashing old topics (particularly derrida) and reasoning etc. Try to make your posts more succint. @Day_Walker Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 19:32 Day_Walker wrote:
Onlywonderboy because I reread his filter from the scum perspective, and I could see it making sense as scum play.
What do you mean by this? What specifically was your thinking here when you wrote this... I want to see what you came up with "onlywonderboy's" scum perspective...
He should be back soon. So definitely want some clarification/answers.
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btw I think bigdad's scum. That's my take on day_walker for the time being.
Picking the non-dragoon "scum buddy" makes it easier on you if dragoon flips town and yet doesn't hurt your cred at all if he's scum either.
Unless td makes an exceptional entrance back into the thread I'm not changing my vote today but I'll make the case during the night.
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Jonny, what? I didn't understand that post except for the last sentence haha...
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Fine, since balla addressed it briefly I'll bite.
That post was bad. He's agreeing with me but I just want owb to show some interest in the game. Nothing he did up to that point really screamed scum other than he likes to lurk when playing scum. I assume DW didn't know this when he posted.
I don't like his play but dragoon needs to do something spectacular to change my mind.
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I'm saying I don't care about day walker for now.
Dragoon's martying and playing just as scummy.
Bigdad's focusing on the second player in an accused "scum buddy" team. No matter what dragoon flips he benefits from voting daywalker instead of dragoon. Makes him look good if dragoon is town and says nothing if he's scum.
I want focus here.
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On January 07 2014 08:09 BigDad wrote:
@Balla24
As far as I understand the best two ways to generate discussion early game are:
a) Ask people their opinions so we can cross reference them throughout the game.
b) Do what TheChyz did and bluff people onto bandwagons
I don't have a solid read on Suki yet, i need to have another look at her feed. I was responding to her questioning and subsequent vote.
I simply asked JonnyLaw for his opinion because my post was actually in response to something he asked earlier.
K. Well in that case, the earlier post i quoted regarding it is a little fishy to me then. It's like you're asking your town reads for approval.
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Dragoon effectively stalemated this game until he comes back and says something in my opinion. It's a shit move and goes against his win condition.
+ Show Spoiler +Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM me or the co-hosts if you need to leave the game.
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That's what I'm thinking Balla but I don't want to even mess with bigdad until dragoon's handled.
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On January 07 2014 08:16 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'm saying I don't care about day walker for now.
Dragoon's martying and playing just as scummy.
Bigdad's focusing on the second player in an accused "scum buddy" team. No matter what dragoon flips he benefits from voting daywalker instead of dragoon. Makes him look good if dragoon is town and says nothing if he's scum.
I want focus here.
I see. I don't necessarily agree with your logic but I don't want to say more since i'd be giving away how scum should play lol.
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I don't think it's necessarily against his win condition unless Dragoon gets lynched and he turns out to be a townie; he might just be bluffing/baiting. I think an imploding townie act would be a great bait to shift away the focus from a scum teammate.
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On January 07 2014 08:23 Derrida wrote:
I don't think it's necessarily against his win condition unless Dragoon gets lynched and he turns out to be a townie; he might just be bluffing/baiting. I think an imploding townie act would be a great bait to shift away the focus from a scum teammate.
Let's see your vote.
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