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Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
January 06 2014 23:27 GMT
#501
How come?
#1 Grubby Fan.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 23:29 GMT
#502
Because I haven't seen any commitment to your scum reads at this point.
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
January 06 2014 23:32 GMT
#503
I'm not sure how voting shows commitment with the mechanisms to unvote? I've already stated my top two scum candidates in my list, that alone is commitment enough. Although I have to say that the option to lynch an imploding townie or an imploding townie acting scum seems like a win-win situation to me. I need to see more from Suki and Sidesprang before I vote prematurely.
#1 Grubby Fan.
BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 06 2014 23:34 GMT
#504
erm, where is TheChyz. He voted a lurker then went afk. What the?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=TheChyz
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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 23:38 GMT
#505
Voting is a record. It shows who you wanted to lynch at any current moment in the game very visibly and clearly.

The sheer fact that you don't want to vote prematurely PROVES that voting is commitment.

and remember:

On January 07 2014 06:51 Derrida wrote:

By the way, I would like to re-iterate this point by Balla: "Anyways, since we have a huge timezone gap for some people, we need to consolidate on a few lynch targets TODAY, so that the people who can't be around here for the deadline will be able to hopefully make their votes meaningful. This means I want everyone's votes out on someone by the end of the day, obviously not final." While I do not like the attitude, I do like the idea. When would a tentative deadline be, for example? Oh and Balla, what do you mean by "people like BigDad"?

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 23:39 GMT
#506
On January 07 2014 08:34 BigDad wrote:
erm, where is TheChyz. He voted a lurker then went afk. What the?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=TheChyz


it's been 4 hrs...

what kind of fake contribution post is this bigdad?
BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 06 2014 23:44 GMT
#507
I was looking through everyones feeds and saw that, i thought it was notable considering the early (and large) play by him - then the hasty retreat from play with an easy vote on a Lurker. What is your analysis on him so far?
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Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
January 06 2014 23:45 GMT
#508
Fine, I will not further derail the thread about the value of voting, but I still think it's pointless. This just means that if the deadline was 2 minutes from now, I would vote like this.

## Vote TheDragoon

Off to sleep, afk for 8ish hours.
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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 23:49 GMT
#509
On January 07 2014 08:44 BigDad wrote:
I was looking through everyones feeds and saw that, i thought it was notable considering the early (and large) play by him - then the hasty retreat from play with an easy vote on a Lurker. What is your analysis on him so far?


Let's start with your analysis on the current target: theDragoon (there's what... 4 or 5 votes on him atm?)... it's like you're completely avoiding him.

What I think of Chyz atm is irrelevant, I've already hashed out what I think about him multiple times. Plus, he's afk right now.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 23:52 GMT
#510
Actually, sorry, you obviously didn't ignore him as he was your target early on... but i still want to know, what do you think of his play since you re-entered the thread, since there was a LOT of new stuff. You're ignoring the new stuff.
BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 06 2014 23:58 GMT
#511
@Balla24

I've already outlined several times that I think theDragoon is an easy scum pick. Look at his posts (and my previous posts on him). I'll state it again he tends to dodge questions and post fluff that we cannot use to hunt scum.

His self-vote is confusing; it's either a desperate, last-ditch attempt by a scum player to make us doubt our actions.

Or it's a newbie town that can't deal with the pressure on himself and he needs to post more content to get the bandwagon off him.

My position at the moment is that even a valiant fight on his behalf wont stop this bandwagon, this means that whatever he flips tomorrow we may be able to see his relationships with other players - unfortunately he seems to have given up the ghost and stopped posting. This means that should he flip Town he isn't helping us a whole bunch.
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 06 2014 23:59 GMT
#512
Ah i should have refreshed before posting.
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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 00:03 GMT
#513
It's fine you still answered how i wanted ^_^ that's my bad anyways..
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
January 07 2014 00:03 GMT
#514
'If he turns out to be town we get no info' is the worst no lynch logic I have ever heard.

Lynch the scummiest target because they are scum.
theDragoon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada307 Posts
January 07 2014 00:11 GMT
#515
I am in class atm waiting for the lecture to start, I will make a bigger post later in about 4 hours when I get home. I had somehow thought the day ends at 12AM EST so I voted for myself to speed things up since pretty much all votes were for me at that point. I'll try to defend myself when I get back.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 00:23 GMT
#516
There was 40 minutes to deadline anyways...

I don't see how you're speeding things up at all, we still would have had to wait your flip anyways. Only way you could have sped it up was by admitting you're mafia

Looking forward to when you get back.
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
January 07 2014 00:28 GMT
#517
Bed time for me guys.

Looking forward to a good ole hanging tomorrow!
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 07 2014 00:49 GMT
#518
Hey guys, I'm back.

First and foremost I think it's prudent to address the person that strikes me as the number one scum in the game:

theDragoon

On January 06 2014 15:49 theDragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote:


Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line.

I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point.

Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided.


That's enough of a reason to lynch Asuna? I don't see that as good enough to suspect Asuna of being mafia, unless you know more than what you've said there. Those 3 things you listed there is just a sign of an inexperienced player, it has nothing to do with being a scum.


I said that because his reasoning to lynch Asuna was basically due to Asuna's inexperience, which I think is not a good enough reason to be lynched when there are a lot more suspicious people out there. I don't know if Jonny knows more about Asuna, I only thought that because I was not buying his reason to lynch Asuna.


The more I read these posts the more I dislike them. He's basically stating that he knows Asuna's "excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt" are due to her inexperience, and he's not leaving any room to interpret them as scummy. How would a town Dragoon be so sure? I'm more and more confident that the 'knows more about Asuna' line really is a scum slip.

Other things that scream scum to me:
theDragoon's knee jerk reaction to vote OWB because of an incorrect timeline.
- Attacking his attacker for a slight inconsistency.
His statement that Balla is rising up on his suspicions list with Balla's 'immediate' jump to lynch him.
- More of the same
His flip-flopping on Derrida, first saying his suspicion is 'low' and then on his very next post saying Derrida is higher up.
- Scummy enough, and he even admits that he's flip-flopping

His top scum reads are Day_Walker because he doesn't like that Day_Walker has a town read on him (???), and me, because he thinks I'm too eager to scumhunt (also ???). And aside from his knee-jerk suspicions thrown at OWB, Balla and now Derrida he hasn't contributed any other reads.

+ Show Spoiler +

His top 2 scum read post:


I'm not good enough at this game to get scum reads from forum posts. If you REALLY want me to give my top 2 most suspicious people are:

Day_Walker: If I don't buy his town read on me, why should I believe his other reads. I've got the most votes on me right now and I want to see if Day_Walker still thinks I'm a townie.

suki: "Okay then, lets get back to scumhunting :D". A bit too eager to go scumhunting there, don't ya think? Not really a good reason to call him mafia.



And finally under all this pressure then he says his play is due to him being new to the game and self-destructs.

I feel a lot of frustration in Dragoon's most recent posts, and I kind of feel bad for him since he is new to Mafia and this is a really gut-wrenching game, but I really do think his inexperience is his downfall and that there's no way he's not mafia here.

##vote theDragoon

More analysis on its way. If there's anything you want me to answer post it; I'll be here for a bit.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 07 2014 00:54 GMT
#519
+ Show Spoiler +
The more I read these posts the more I dislike them. He's basically stating that he knows Asuna's "excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt" are due to her inexperience, and he's not leaving any room to interpret them as scummy. How would a town Dragoon be so sure? I'm more and more confident that the 'knows more about Asuna' line really is a scum slip.


You summed up my bad feeling about those posts succinctly and better than I did by far.

I agree with your points and my only doubt is sometimes people implode under pressure when they're town. He came back into the thread rejuvenated. This could easily be scum qt telling him not to quit and helping him form a defense.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 07 2014 00:55 GMT
#520
Egh, was supposed to be quote not spoiler.
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