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Artifice
United States523 Posts
On January 19 2012 20:40 29 fps wrote: i read it again but im not sure what was edited, even though it said it's been edited recently. I ran it through a text file comparison thing with http://web.archive.org/web/20090106054119/http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=22425 and it found no differences. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On January 21 2012 05:18 rafaliusz wrote: you're not educated enough to make such a call. Good post though. Not that complexity can be measured very accurately, but an rts will never be be most complicated strategically. I'm not saying bw isn't the best. I'm not saying sc2 is more complex. | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On January 23 2012 22:56 MattBarry wrote: Not that complexity can be measured very accurately, but an rts will never be be most complicated strategically. I'm not saying bw isn't the best. I'm not saying sc2 is more complex. Why not? Are we talking about strategies or real time strategies. Because BW is the best real time strategy. I would also argue it's probably the best strategy too. If you compare it to chess and go, BW has 2d freedom and more variables than chess and go, while the moves for chess and go are discrete so you can more or less figure out good moves for them. With BW micro macro positioning etc. it's kinda hard to see what's the best move... also, consider that you don't have all the information on the situation on the map, so it's a game of incomplete information, whereas chess and go aren't. Plus, it's real time. I guess you could compare speed chess to it, but it's not the same, in BW you are tackling a way more vast field of information. EDIT: sorry for the off-post, I really enjoyed reading this the first time and a few times after it. I might have even already commented, dunno. Thank you for the story Lurker.  | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 23 2012 22:56 MattBarry wrote: Not that complexity can be measured very accurately, but an rts will never be be most complicated strategically. I'm not saying bw isn't the best. I'm not saying sc2 is more complex. RTS are way more complicated than any turn based game. That's why AI are awful whereas in primitive game like chess they can do well vs the best players. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On January 23 2012 23:33 quirinus wrote: Why not? Are we talking about strategies or real time strategies. Because BW is the best real time strategy. I would also argue it's probably the best strategy too. If you compare it to chess and go, BW has 2d freedom and more variables than chess and go, while the moves for chess and go are discrete so you can more or less figure out good moves for them. With BW micro macro positioning etc. it's kinda hard to see what's the best move... also, consider that you don't have all the information on the situation on the map, so it's a game of incomplete information, whereas chess and go aren't. Plus, it's real time. I guess you could compare speed chess to it, but it's not the same, in BW you are tackling a way more vast field of information. EDIT: sorry for the off-post, I really enjoyed reading this the first time and a few times after it. I might have even already commented, dunno. Thank you for the story Lurker. I think the only absolute about BW you could say is that it is the most competitive rts ever. I think most complex strategy ever is simply too bold of a claim. I haven't played every rts ever nor am I a professional rts veteran but it's more than likely some ridiculous niche indie game is miles ahead of bw in terms of strategic complexity. | ||
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Fester
Australia260 Posts
User was warned for this post User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
It would be nice to have an update on how things have changed since then. | ||
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