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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
On August 27 2010 21:14 haz wrote: what are your thoughts on being molested by Artosis? User was warned for this post Lol if you're gonna do that on TeamLiquid, don't do it on a moderator rofl | ||
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QUEENT
Canada53 Posts
First: Thanks so much Mora for making this thread. I think people who aren't gay or something that puts them in a similar position really underestimate the power of just seeing other gay people. I know that even in an accepting environment like the one I grew up in, I found myself kinda regretting being gay (when I was like, 13). I never really hated myself or anything, it was just like "well I got a really shit hand in life. No biological children for me, and haters gonna hate wherever I go". Plus I didn't know any gay people whatsoever so I had zero role models or any of that kind of stuff. The first time I went to the (Vancouver) pride parade, I suddenly was like "oh jeez, these dudes seem like they're having fun." My experience is much less harsh (== bland) than lots of people who grew up in more hostile places/times. I remember reading (I think it was on Joe.My.God) about how in the 70s or whatever, gay porn stars were essentially the only gay people some gay people knew of, and thus achieved a sort of hero status, because they looked like they were gay AND actually enjoying themselves. Similarly, the Beebo Brinker novels were basically just lesbian pulp fiction (although I hear that their writing was a little too good to be placed in that category), they came at a time when, by reading them, a gay person in some remote place could be someone other than a freak. So yeah, creating positive spaces == you rock Mona. On a more vapid note (and a bit more in the spirit of the original replies to the thread): What's the Protoss of gay Vancouver? No, seriously. I'm 19 and pretty tired of 20yearsNR (R is for romance? I'd settle for ravishment or vice versa). Trouble is, I have no idea where to begin, so I need the beginner's solution. Halp? I'm pretty terribad at sports other than skiing, so I don't know that joining a gay sports league would do too much... Oh yeah, and thanks for making me + Show Spoiler + drool drool some more For the other people replying in the thread: I agree that gay gaming would be the shit. Maybe we can get Mora to add a list of the out players to his OP? PM me if you want to play against a distinctly mediocre 500 diamond toss. I'm on vacation next week, but the week after I'm free to play. If you're at a lower skill level (I'd be shocked), I'm interested in trying out Zerg. | ||
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mcneebs
Canada391 Posts
In Canada, if I was out with my friends and they had a mutual friend who was gay/lesbian, it's no big deal. We horse around the same way we would with the guys (who are straight). We'd joke around and say oh you should take THAT guy home, (who'd be some unattractive/old//whatever). There's no elephant in the room, and it's not that we're "accepting". It just is what it is. Cock in the mouth? Whatever man. Fat chick in the ass? Go nuts. Everyone's got their own thing, move on. Come to China and it's like the official stance is "we have a very very very low gay population" and they're so proud of it. Being a closet gay guy here has got to be so hard. They're completely intolerant. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On August 28 2010 14:06 mcneebs wrote: Since moving to China (from western Canada) I'm amazed at how tolerant the west has really become. There's a big gap in all aspects of culture between the west and the east, but homosexuality is like 50 years back of where Canada is now. In Canada, if I was out with my friends and they had a mutual friend who was gay/lesbian, it's no big deal. We horse around the same way we would with the guys (who are straight). We'd joke around and say oh you should take THAT guy home, (who'd be some unattractive/old//whatever). There's no elephant in the room, and it's not that we're "accepting". It just is what it is. Cock in the mouth? Whatever man. Fat chick in the ass? Go nuts. Everyone's got their own thing, move on. Come to China and it's like the official stance is "we have a very very very low gay population" and they're so proud of it. Being a closet gay guy here has got to be so hard. They're completely intolerant. I agree with you. I'm Chinese, and my parents always forbid me from watching any shows where a character was homosexual. They thought it was very inappropriate material. | ||
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Reechani
Canada11 Posts
On August 28 2010 13:56 iamahydralisk wrote: There are only a few people I know in real life who know... I plan on telling my friends, though. I'm not going to be in their face about it, but I have to know where they stand on it. I don't think I could ever be friends with someone who's prejudiced against something that's a part of who I am. EDIT: I just reread my post and noticed that I come across as a bit prejudiced myself. I don't mean to... I just don't want to associate myself with hateful, closed-minded people. Yea I am the same, I will tell them eventually but I'm not sure when | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
I'd have to disagree that gays shy away from sports. At my climbing gym, cliffhanger Vancouver, I saw a poster for a GLBT climbing group and thought, "damn, that's one hellava good way to get laid." If you like rock hard abs and muscular arms, it's probably a good place to look  There's probably a gay exclusive group for every sport here, I know that there are gay ultimate teams, and there must be gay soccer teams too. | ||
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Ghoul
Germany10 Posts
I'd just like to take a moment out of my evening and thank you for 10+ pages of good reading. I have several friends who are either lgbt or involved in the lgbt movement in some way and to see such a post (and even more so the overwhelming positive response) really made my day. Hope to see you on the ladder (or in tourny? i really have no idea, i'm new to TL and i don't know anything about you ^^) ~Ghoul | ||
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
In med school, I've noticed that pretty much across the board, nowadays, male doctors will not examine female patients without another female being present. Often, its an enforced rule by administration, but sometimes, the doctor just knows that it is appropriate both for his patient's protection and for his own. We have several gay doctors and med students, but they do not practice the same precautions when they are alone with male patients (whether old men or young boys). I've always wondered about that, because somehow, deep down I know that if someone suggested a policy that gay doctors not be allowed to examine young boys (without a straight male being present), he would be shouted down as a bigot and people would say things like "are you trying to call me a pedophile just because I am gay?" But not having the policy implies that gays are inherently morally superior and would never fall to the temptation to abuse their position of authority as a straight doctor would. What do you think about this situation? Would you be offended if you were a doctor and someone suggested the implementation of a policy that said you needed a chaperone to examine young boys, if there was a similar policy stating that a heterosexual doctor needed a chaperone to examine young girls? I've pondered other situations that are made complicated when you think about them. For example, the whole point of having separate mens and womens rooms is to keep people who are sexually attracted to eachother separated when they are exposed for the purposes of hygiene....so you can feel comfortable knowing someone isn't taking advantage of you without your knowledge by gaining sexual satisfaction watching you. So, is it ok to be in a situation where you are safe from heterosexual oglers but not from homosexual ones? But I can't think of a remedy for this situation. In many situations, it seems like rules that have been created to protect women from straight men don't exist to protect straight men or straight women from gay men or women. And it also seems like anyone who brings that up or who would try to institute a policy to fix that, would be jeered down as bigoted and homophobic. So what should be done? What is fair? What is appropriate? | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
How many "straight gamers" threads do you see? Ugh these threads make me rage sooo hard. It seems people who advocate equality subliminally ask for segregation. Just play the game. Edit: I am not hating on your sexuality, I just hate it when people make threads asking for attention. Seeing as you are a well known person on TL, welcome back, but that is because you are a player, not because you like men. | ||
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
On August 28 2010 15:13 Ordained wrote: Ugh, why do gay people always have to be so "misunderstood" and "not belong anywhere" guess what, no one cares, Be gay, that is fine, but flaunting it makes you look pretentious. How many "straight gamers" threads do you see? Ugh these threads make me rage sooo hard. It seems people who advocate equality subliminally ask for segregation. Just play the game lol. Do you honestly believe that a gay person making a thread about his/her homosexuality is the same as a straight person talking about his/her heterosexuality? I agree that some people just like to use their differences for attention but really? How can you even compare the two lmao? | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On August 28 2010 15:13 Ordained wrote: Ugh, why do gay people always have to be so "misunderstood" and "not belong anywhere" guess what, no one cares, Be gay, that is fine, but flaunting it makes you look pretentious. How many "straight gamers" threads do you see? Ugh these threads make me rage sooo hard. It seems people who advocate equality subliminally ask for segregation. Just play the game 1. How many people are straight in the world? How many are gay? 2. Have you ever grown up in a culture or society that actively suppresses and punishes your sexuality? 3. I'm aware you're merely expressing yourself, which is the same thing this thread is doing. You don't have to click on it, and you don't have to go to the pride parade every year. Even as a gay person myself I somehow have yet to see someone that "flaunts" it. You noticing it and having a problem with it seems to be more of an issue with yourself. 4. It sounds like you're in a bit of a bad mood  Why not talk about it?  | ||
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freshiie22
Canada132 Posts
this is o rong, what has the world come to no-offense dude but your rong man User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
On August 28 2010 15:20 Roe wrote: 1. How many people are straight in the world? How many are gay? 2. Have you ever grown up in a culture or society that actively suppresses and punishes your sexuality? 3. I'm aware you're merely expressing yourself, which is the same thing this thread is doing. You don't have to click on it, and you don't have to go to the pride parade every year. Even as a gay person myself I somehow have yet to see someone that "flaunts" it. You noticing it and having a problem with it seems to be more of an issue with yourself. 4. It sounds like you're in a bit of a bad mood Why not talk about it? 1. Alot/ some 2. No, but I dont run around flaunting everything, bedroom behavior is bedroom behavior. 3. Actually, I live on a street that the Pride parade passes through each year. (San Francisco native) So I do go to it every year, and like I said; I do not hate gay people, it just seems over the top when people make threads saying they only want to play with gays because they are exiled from modern society, yada yada. I can see the feelings of being oppressed and thinking you are a second class citizen but damn, this thread is kind of asking for it. 4. Been sick for a week and just got a root canal yesterday. Bad mood about covers it. I realize I am going to get banned but I stand by my own convictions. I work and hang out with gay friends, alot actually, but sexuality has nothing to do with gaming. It is simply asking for people to flame you for it. I will never understand why people do this. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On August 28 2010 15:05 Savio wrote: Question to TL gays (TL is a good place to pose thought provoking questions that you can't usually otherwise ask and this thread is a great opportunity for me to ask them): In med school, I've noticed that pretty much across the board, nowadays, male doctors will not examine female patients without another female being present. Often, its an enforced rule by administration, but sometimes, the doctor just knows that it is appropriate both for his patient's protection and for his own. We have several gay doctors and med students, but they do not practice the same precautions when they are alone with male patients (whether old men or young boys). I've always wondered about that, because somehow, deep down I know that if someone suggested a policy that gay doctors not be allowed to examine young boys (without a straight male being present), he would be shouted down as a bigot and people would say things like "are you trying to call me a pedophile just because I am gay?" But not having the policy implies that gays are inherently morally superior and would never fall to the temptation to abuse their position of authority as a straight doctor would. What do you think about this situation? Would you be offended if you were a doctor and someone suggested the implementation of a policy that said you needed a chaperone to examine young boys, if there was a similar policy stating that a heterosexual doctor needed a chaperone to examine young girls? I've pondered other situations that are made complicated when you think about them. For example, the whole point of having separate mens and womens rooms is to keep people who are sexually attracted to eachother separated when they are exposed for the purposes of hygiene....so you can feel comfortable knowing someone isn't taking advantage of you without your knowledge by gaining sexual satisfaction watching you. So, is it ok to be in a situation where you are safe from heterosexual oglers but not from homosexual ones? But I can't think of a remedy for this situation. In many situations, it seems like rules that have been created to protect women from straight men don't exist to protect straight men or straight women from gay men or women. And it also seems like anyone who brings that up or who would try to institute a policy to fix that, would be jeered down as bigoted and homophobic. So what should be done? What is fair? What is appropriate? Personally I've learned to control it in a way akin to how a straight guy would be "gentlemanlike" I suppose. In gym class and swimming class I just kept to myself, tried not to do anything or think anything that might get me turned on. The subject of the gay doctor reminds me of my 9th grade health class. Mr Gani was somehow discussing gynecologists and someone brought up the idea that all of them had to be gay, or else they'd be perverted. Yet Mr Gani refuted that in some way which unfortunately I don't remember. Point being, I think if you have self respect you won't have the need to make others uncomfortable by looking at them changing or whatnot, and you should be able to have a straight guy and girl change without any of the things we worry about happening. The separated girl/boy bathrooms still don't stop the pervert males from walking into the girls bathroom and doing something. | ||
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Ocular
Canada141 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On August 28 2010 15:32 Ordained wrote: 1. Alot/ some 2. No, but I dont run around flaunting everything, bedroom behavior is bedroom behavior. 3. Actually, I live on a street that the Pride parade passes through each year. (San Francisco native) So I do go to it every year, and like I said; I do not hate gay people, it just seems over the top when people make threads saying they only want to play with gays because they are exiled from modern society, yada yada. I can see the feelings of being oppressed and thinking you are a second class citizen but damn, this thread is kind of asking for it. 4. Been sick for a week and just got a root canal yesterday. Bad mood about covers it. I realize I am going to get banned but I stand by my own convictions. I work and hang out with gay friends, alot actually, but sexuality has nothing to do with gaming. It is simply asking for people to flame you for it. I will never understand why people do this. Doesn't look like you'll get banned, but anyhow, don't be a martyr for it For 3, I can see how that gets really annoying. I live by the danforth and every year there's this Taste of the Danforth festival that goes on for 3 days, of which that bland, mind numbing bass pumping music never stops, and I live two blocks away, and you live right on the street. I don't think Mora said he only wants to play with gays, and that they are exiled, and I don't think it would be fair to say that's pretty much the same thing he said. Strangely I don't get the same opinion that he's asking to be oppressed by making this thread. I realize I am going to get banned but I stand by my own convictions. I work and hang out with gay friends, alot actually, but sexuality has nothing to do with gaming. It is simply asking for people to flame you for it. I will never understand why people do this. I will never understand why people do this. I stand by my own convictions sounds like you do understand Anyhow, I can see this degenerating quite quickly so I'll say to you good day, and good luck getting over the the root canal! | ||
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On August 28 2010 15:22 freshiie22 wrote: this is o rong, what has the world come to no-offense dude but your rong man Can't you at least think of something half worthwhile to post? Clearly you have different views... IN REPLY TO THE TOPIC: What gets you in the zone? On August 28 2010 15:25 freshiie22 wrote: Vagina......... But like, how hard is it to give some respect? Honestly? | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On August 28 2010 15:05 Savio wrote: Question to TL gays (TL is a good place to pose thought provoking questions that you can't usually otherwise ask and this thread is a great opportunity for me to ask them): In med school, I've noticed that pretty much across the board, nowadays, male doctors will not examine female patients without another female being present. Often, its an enforced rule by administration, but sometimes, the doctor just knows that it is appropriate both for his patient's protection and for his own. We have several gay doctors and med students, but they do not practice the same precautions when they are alone with male patients (whether old men or young boys). I've always wondered about that, because somehow, deep down I know that if someone suggested a policy that gay doctors not be allowed to examine young boys (without a straight male being present), he would be shouted down as a bigot and people would say things like "are you trying to call me a pedophile just because I am gay?" But not having the policy implies that gays are inherently morally superior and would never fall to the temptation to abuse their position of authority as a straight doctor would. What do you think about this situation? Would you be offended if you were a doctor and someone suggested the implementation of a policy that said you needed a chaperone to examine young boys, if there was a similar policy stating that a heterosexual doctor needed a chaperone to examine young girls? I've pondered other situations that are made complicated when you think about them. For example, the whole point of having separate mens and womens rooms is to keep people who are sexually attracted to eachother separated when they are exposed for the purposes of hygiene....so you can feel comfortable knowing someone isn't taking advantage of you without your knowledge by gaining sexual satisfaction watching you. So, is it ok to be in a situation where you are safe from heterosexual oglers but not from homosexual ones? But I can't think of a remedy for this situation. In many situations, it seems like rules that have been created to protect women from straight men don't exist to protect straight men or straight women from gay men or women. And it also seems like anyone who brings that up or who would try to institute a policy to fix that, would be jeered down as bigoted and homophobic. So what should be done? What is fair? What is appropriate? I really think that it's not so much creating a policy to "protect" the patient from the doctor in any way other than to make them feel more comfortable. I (not knowing anything about these rules or anything about medicine in general) just think that having a person of the same sex in the room for a young patient may ease the awkwardness of such a situation. Thus I don't really feel like an exception to the rule or an issue at all is brought up from homosexuality. Just my 2 drunk cents :3 On August 28 2010 15:22 freshiie22 wrote: this is o rong, what has the world come to no-offense dude but your rong man what lol | ||
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