EPTFeminist Attacks "Save The Princess" Games - Page 2
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
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TheExile19
513 Posts
On April 07 2013 12:31 LainRivers wrote: The problem is people refuse to acknowledge biology or 'This is how humans fucking are by nature get over it'. I'm all for better/'equal' rights. I'm not all for losing common sense/biologically admitting what we are and how we (most likely) will always be. I'm going to (bravely) assume this is about the physical capability argument and not the general question of increasing female agency in most forms of media narrative. "common sense" is meaningless in this context. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On April 07 2013 12:16 Fenrax wrote: Imo "save the Princess" games ARE very sexist. But your OP is lacking so much that the thread won't stay up very long. Make a better OP with more content than just one Youtube Video you raged about. everything is racist and sexist if you just look hard enough to find it. | ||
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goldenwitch
United States338 Posts
In part 1, you paraphrase what she is trying to say. In part 2, you emphasize that you disagree with what she is saying. Where is part 3 where you break down what she is saying and logically refute it, instead of assuming that we all agree with you about women being fundamentally weaker than men? | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On April 07 2013 12:15 Holdenintherye wrote: Destiny actually wrote a "blog" about this http://www.destiny.gg/n/a-critique-of-damsel-in-distress-part-1-tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/ Might wanna read this if you already haven't. I find it incredibly amusing how Destiny manages to convey an immense lack of maturity in casual interactions on stream but can actually make some really good, respectable arguments when he decides to sit down and can the jokes. On April 07 2013 12:31 LainRivers wrote: The problem is people refuse to acknowledge biology or 'This is how humans fucking are by nature get over it'. I'm all for better/'equal' rights. I'm not all for losing common sense/biologically admitting what we are and how we (most likely) will always be. There is a problem with your argument, though: the line between biology and society is absurdly thin. The environment around you, especially the human society around you, can weave ideas and thoughts into your head with an almost impossible amount of subtlety, to the point where it almost seems as if certain ideas or thoughts are completely natural and thus biological. Furthermore, these thoughts and ideas are buried impossibly deep within your subconscious and are thus almost impossible to consciously "discover." These factors mean that one can't simply dismiss certain ideas or thoughts as natural components of the human brain, since it is very possible that they are ideas planted in your head by the environment around you and you may never know that is the case. | ||
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LainRivers
United States36 Posts
On April 07 2013 12:33 TheExile19 wrote: I'm going to (bravely) assume this is about the physical capability argument and not the general question of increasing female agency in most forms of media narrative. "common sense" is meaningless in this context. Nope, males are and always will be the dominant sex (not 'better' or 'worse', but dominant.) Not only are we dominant due to our biology (stronger + dominant sex organ = no shit society ended up this way.) Women are the child bearers, they are seen as 'passive' (not 'better' or 'worse', but passive). All of this is perfectly justified. Do I think all rights (men and women) are perfect, or that society isn't bias? Absolutely not, but people need to cut the shit. Sure, these days society is no longer pressed to survive and we have adapted quite well to technological advancements. However, you cannot just refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Just because society is changing doesn't mean we are changing biologically/physiologically (in drastic ways). On April 07 2013 12:34 teddyoojo wrote: everything is racist and sexist if you just look hard enough to find it. This is correct. Literary criticism as a great example. People will see what they want to see, and find meaning in that which doesn't mean anything. EDIT: PS. After reading your posts I'm not going to bother updating posts or checking the thread. lol | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
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Angry_Fetus
Canada444 Posts
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TheExile19
513 Posts
On April 07 2013 12:40 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: I find it incredibly amusing how Destiny manages to convey an immense lack of maturity in casual interactions on stream but can actually make some really good, respectable arguments when he decides to sit down and can the jokes. just browsing through since this is almost inevitably going to turn into a destiny thread because it has nothing else to discuss, I had to stop reading after two pages. he clearly has either no patience for or no experience with the feminist perspective, which is okay if you're not doing a write-up responding to a series of videos composed/arguing from the feminist perspective. he had the same problems when I was listening in real time re: failing to contextualize the argument. it's not just about video games, it's about the greater society, so when he goes through it taking the greater scope to task for not mattering or being serious enough, it's a failure on every level to engage with the ideas. On April 07 2013 12:46 LainRivers wrote: Nope, males are and always will be the dominant sex (not 'better' or 'worse', but dominant.) Not only are we dominant due to our biology (stronger + dominant sex organ = no shit society ended up this way.) Women are the child bearers, they are seen as 'passive' (not 'better' or 'worse', but passive). All of this is perfectly justified. Do I think all rights (men and women) are perfect, or that society isn't bias? Absolutely not, but people need to cut the shit. Sure, these days society is no longer pressed to survive and we have adapted quite well to technological advancements. However, you cannot just refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Just because society is changing doesn't mean we are changing biologically/physiologically (in drastic ways). "dominant sex organ"? do you not understand how that begs the question and is laughable? I don't know how to engage this without being smug and dismissive, so I'm going to smugly dismiss this entirely. | ||
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DeathProfessor
United States1052 Posts
People would really hate Roger Ebert maybe he wouldn't have become so beloved. Destiny is worthy of writing for IGN or other insert video game editorial here. If you can actually get over all the BM he says in streams he can be a very balanced but also very logical and sensical writer with many well articulated ideas. He arguably influenced Blizzard to make very major changes in its game and tournament structure with his Reddit post. Maybe in a different world a guy like Destiny could be a lot more loved because he can write pretty well. | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
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TheExile19
513 Posts
On April 07 2013 12:48 DeathProfessor wrote: People just need to realize, some people are not meant for TV and can't talk without being off the cuff and self censor. Unfortunately the internet has democratized media so anyone can do it. For example, what if Roger Ebert had his own movie stream and said Michael Bay is a cocksucker? Or he wants to rape Angelina Jolie in his basement? People would really hate Roger Ebert maybe he wouldn't have become so beloved. Destiny is worthy of writing for IGN or other insert video game editorial here. If you can actually get over all the BM he says in streams he can be a very balanced but also very logical and sensical writer with many well articulated ideas. He arguably influenced Blizzard to make very major changes in its game and tournament structure with his Reddit post. Maybe in a different world a guy like Destiny could be a lot more loved because he can write pretty well. all that really does is implicitly stain the name of video game journalism, which hardly needs any blackening. I like how you randomly insult a recently deceased pillar of media criticism by comparative analogy, too. class act you have. | ||
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PedroBlanco
Canada65 Posts
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LainRivers
United States36 Posts
On April 07 2013 12:47 TheExile19 wrote: just browsing through since this is almost inevitably going to turn into a destiny thread because it has nothing else to discuss, I had to stop reading after two pages. he clearly has either no patience for or no experience with the feminist perspective, which is okay if you're not doing a write-up responding to a series of videos composed/arguing from the feminist perspective. he had the same problems when I was listening in real time re: failing to contextualize the argument. it's not just about video games, it's about the greater society, so when he goes through it taking the greater scope to task for not mattering or being serious enough, it's a failure on every level to engage with the ideas. "dominant sex organ"? do you not understand how that begs the question and is laughable? I don't know how to engage this without being smug and dismissive, so I'm going to smugly dismiss this entirely. K lol just this one because you happened to post before I left. Yes, dominant sex organ. The one that goes into the other (and they happen to be stronger too, meaning you know what). Rape is absolutely horrible and it disgusts me in this day and age, but you have to realize from an evolutionary standpoint, the mindsets we have are there for a reason. All throughout the origin of humans have these traits been apparent, and it's likely the mindset they create always will be as well. Men and Women are different. Distinction is not the same as discrimination. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26136 Posts
They also have an issue in that, 'feminism' is such a broad, broad, broad term and has many adherents with differing ethos' and methodologies. I have long felt that feminism needs to die as a term, and be redefined into specific sub-categories. It's too poisonous a term, and this is coming from somebody who is very much a 'fellow traveller'. | ||
KwarK
United States43283 Posts
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