EPTWrite your congress people, and state congress people if your state has a Stand Your Ground law. But online petitions are a meaningless emotional cop out from having to engage in real action.
Trayvon Martin 17yo Kid Shot to Death - Page 2
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Write your congress people, and state congress people if your state has a Stand Your Ground law. But online petitions are a meaningless emotional cop out from having to engage in real action. | ||
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Omnipresent
United States871 Posts
Zimmerman's 911 call: A witness's call: (you can hear the confrontation and the shot) Florida's "stand your ground" self defense law is getting a lot of attention here. The trouble is that Zimmerman didn't stand his ground. He actively pursued Martin even though Martin hadn't done anything wrong. I also find it difficult to imagine he could make a believable case that he was under thread to deadly force. Zimmerman's 911 call is particularly revealing. He doesn't sound like a concerned citizen, at least to me. He sounds eager, and appears to be looking for a confrontation. There's also been some talk about the "fucking [unintelligible]" line in the call. It sounds to some, myself included, that he is saying "fucking coons," a racial slur, under his breath. It's at about 1:52 in the first clip above, if you want to check it yourself. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 22 2012 08:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: If he is acquitted I easily expect there to be riots as it was murder plain and simple. guilty until proven innocent. | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
On March 22 2012 08:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: If he is acquitted I easily expect there to be riots as it was murder plain and simple. Agreed. If it does happen..... it's wrong...... but the guy has it coming to him. Fucking scumbag | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Listen to 911 calls, he's guilty. He has also been caught lying several times since the incident. | ||
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Sniperdadx
United States41 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On March 22 2012 09:09 albis wrote: the fact everyone assumes hes guilty is pretty sad. when will the white guilt be over. none of us were there. Wtf, this has nothing to do with white guilt... | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
But ya, that "correction". Doesn't really get worser than that when it comes to bad police work, other than outright corruption. | ||
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Frogsox
Australia274 Posts
On March 22 2012 09:09 albis wrote: the fact everyone assumes hes guilty is pretty sad. when will the white guilt be over. none of us were there. I'm not disputing that in some manner it might have come down to a matter of self-defence, I'm disputing the fact that after being told not to initiate contact with Martin, Mr Zimmerman still went after him with a loaded pistol in his hand which puts him in a position he should never have been in. It's like walking into a bank with a loaded shotgun in your hands. You could tell everyone that you're just there to check your balance but the fact remains you're holding a loaded shotgun and putting yourself in a position you shouldn't be in. The whole situation only happened because of the negligent or antagonistic actions of Mr Zimmerman. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 22 2012 09:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Listen to 911 calls, he's guilty. He has also been caught lying several times since the incident. that may be the case, and this is why jurors are excused when they listen to news articles, etc. before the trial. however, until its proven in court, none of this matters. people (the media especially) love to crucify people for the views. i hope i dont have to remind people of what happened to the Duke lacrosse players. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
This is not uncommon. O.J. Simpson etc. Some things you just can't prove to legal standards, that doesn't mean you can't logically conclude what happened. Talk to any police/investigator and they can tell you how many criminals they know is guilty but they lack sufficient legal evidence to convict. | ||
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On March 22 2012 09:15 Sniperdadx wrote: It's sad to see people jump to conclusions. I think many people forget that in this country you're innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around. This is same as when people say freedom of speech about private entities - it's irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the public looking at the evidence before the trial and coming to their own conclusion. It means that if the prosecution doesn't make their case you go free and you might not need to say a thing, whereas in some other systems it would be the other way around. | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
On March 22 2012 09:09 albis wrote: the fact everyone assumes hes guilty is pretty sad. when will the white guilt be over. none of us were there. Wtf? Did you even read the article? Fact: he shot the kid. Fact: the kid had nothing but skittles. Fact: phone evidence demonstrates that it was the guy with the gun chasing and menacing the kid, not the other way around. Stop looking for excuses to ignore something obvious... | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
On March 22 2012 09:10 erin[go]bragh wrote: I don't get it. He followed the kid, he admitted to it on a recorded phone call, he initiated the confrontation. How could that possibly be protected under law? Its called "Stand Your Ground" not "Seek and Destroy." Thats what struck me as well, the operator (at least according to the OP) says not to follow him, but he still does. I mean self defense isn't running after the guy when you have a gun. Its standing your ground and then retreating or just retreating right away. The Florida law was good in theory but its just been misinterpreted and honestly twisted because of its vagueness. | ||
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GloryOfAiur
United States127 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
america really needs to nationalize their laws a bit better, stuff like this just makes my head hurt. (feel free to point out alot of stupid canadian laws, i dont doubt for a second we have them but I don't think we have anything much that says "kill someone if you feel like it" spread out across the country) | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On March 22 2012 09:09 albis wrote: the fact everyone assumes hes guilty is pretty sad. when will the white guilt be over. none of us were there. Even if the teenager attacked him it is his fault since he followed him when he wasn't supposed to. The fact that he decided to shoot him instead of subduing somebody half his size just makes it even worse. It isn't like there were weapons involved on both sides. If the teenager defended himself with a knife I might be more forgiving, but when you hunt somebody down and bring a gun with you there's only one outcome on your mind. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 22 2012 09:19 nam nam wrote: This is not uncommon. O.J. Simpson etc. Some things you just can't prove to legal standards, that doesn't mean you can't logically conclude what happened. Talk to any police/investigator and they can tell you how many criminals they know is guilty but they lack sufficient legal evidence to convict. my friend is a public defender. do you know how many bullshit cases the DAs bring to court because they "know" the person is guilty? and then lose time after time. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
That guy sounds like a true hero. | ||
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