EPTImitating the Terminator and Abandoning ETA - Page 2
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Simberto
Germany12076 Posts
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krooked
376 Posts
The genious about this is that, if you take the middle before he has creep all the way there, it is very hard to flank you. With drops (marines are obviously super disposable) and splitting the map in half you are basicly forcing him to try to break you, and he really don't want to do that. Good post! | ||
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RandyPinkwood
Germany92 Posts
 But yeah building statinary defense at your siege tanks is a good move and on the old lost tempel u had autowin when u sieged at his watchtower. Today most maps have to many alternative routes out. I feel it works best on taldarim when u siege below his natural and shoot into the mineral line and fortify your position there. He can still counter attack but its very annyoing because he has to rally everything around and looses his natural. | ||
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Pixel.
Netherlands287 Posts
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iKill
Denmark861 Posts
Don't get me wrong - your contain is strong, but it just seems like it relies on the zerg charging your defenses rather than going "screw you, Ill macro up a ton of brood lords / mutalisks and fuck your base up". 10 Ultralisks would've destroyed your contain (although the supply depots are a clever counter to a-moving). | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
2) Taking open space like this serves.... what purpose again? He has absolutely no motivation for attacking into your perfectly setup army when he could just send his 20 mutas into your main until you move somewhere. | ||
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krooked
376 Posts
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Alidfe
5 Posts
I'm admittedly a bit confused though, what exactly is new or revolutionary about this? Methodical marine/tank pushes supported by heavy harassment is pretty standard for the matchup. | ||
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itsempty
United States19 Posts
On May 21 2011 17:56 Liquid`Jinro wrote: 1) Creep will be in the way of doing this. 2) Taking open space like this serves.... what purpose again? He has absolutely no motivation for attacking into your perfectly setup army when he could just send his 20 mutas into your main until you move somewhere. Right I agree entirely, The goal is to force him to break the ocntain or he loses otherwise. I'm sure you know that better than I. Best of luck in Korea. | ||
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tokicheese
Canada739 Posts
It's not really that practical but in some situations it can be helpful. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On May 21 2011 18:51 itsempty wrote: Right I agree entirely, The goal is to force him to break the ocntain or he loses otherwise. I'm sure you know that better than I. Best of luck in Korea. I don't quite get why you cant see that the Zerg in this game made terrible engagements, and keep claiming tanks in the center of the map is a contain (there's tons of space for the Zerg to run around your tanks, clearly viable in the first 2 pictures before your tank like is actually spread out enough). Yer strategy is reasonable and should be the aim for any tank strategy, just this game as an example is a pretty poor example of why its so good. An extream analogy would be a zerg showing how powerful a 6 pool is with a replay of him vs a fast expo strat, sure it works but how does it fair against an opponent who doesn't throw everything at your tank line? | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
You CAN'T play the campy terran in sc2 while it works in sc1 unless you are using pure mech. This is because biomech simply doesn't have that diehard defensive capabilities where it can hold nearly everything. You have to play aggresive with drops or pushes or zerg simply outmacro's you and finishes you off with broodlords. In TvP playing passive is even more a garanteed loss. Playstyle wise it's more like this terran sc1 = protoss sc2 | ||
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Afterstar
67 Posts
Having said that though I do have to agree with Jinro, why would a zerg ever want to attack your contain?He can either go pure air and demolish your bases with ease,or use smart nydus worm placements to travel from base to base like Spanishiwa does.Destroy everything and be back in time to defend your units if you ever attack.If you try to attack his expansions,he can instantly teleport through nydus worms to defend.A few spine crawlers in the mineral line will deny or delay any drops as well.Zerg players really underestimate the power of Nydus. Contains like this work wonders for 2vs2 though,if the map allows. | ||
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Tsuki.eu
Portugal1049 Posts
On May 21 2011 15:54 itsempty wrote: Right the point, why don't we see more players doing this? because most zergs are smart enough to avoid the contain, or kill it before it contains (or whine about terran imba;P;P) | ||
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Drolla
United Kingdom389 Posts
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Traveler
United States451 Posts
Zerg has absolutely no reason to attack a position in the center of the map that is not threatening him. I am going to tech straight to hive, sit on my 4 bases, and harass the heck out of your main and expo's while your entire army thinks it is doing something by being in the center... This isn't even a contain. Heck, say my muta ball and my lings are running around the map and you decide to go for the base trade... I just bring my army back and sandwich your force as it attacks my natural. It seems to me that the zerg in this game didn't realize that he didn't have to attack into your fortified location in the center at all. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
There's a reason why playing Terran was so freaking hard in BW. Then again I don't think macro zergs had it much easier. :\ At the same time, it would be nice if people let off the stim and a-move buttons a little more. | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
On May 21 2011 15:58 itsempty wrote: Hard to understand position and stuff when youre bad I guess. So his plan to attack another angle is Nydus? Oh man, sounds like a winner. Or doom drop my main? I don't think zergs win that many base racings. IDK bro, but attacking from another angle is a really good idea if you don't think about shit and love losing. Your opponent basically a-moved from the north instead of getting a 270-360 degree flank, which you could have done nothing about. Don't be so aggressive when you're giving someone else's argument the worst possible interpretation. | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
On May 21 2011 18:51 itsempty wrote: Right I agree entirely, The goal is to force him to break the ocntain or he loses otherwise. I'm sure you know that better than I. Best of luck in Korea. Basically what just happened is 10 people told you "why are you setting up in the middle of the map, there's no point," to which you replied "You are an idiot, what are they going to do, doom drop me?" But then Jinro comes in and says the exact same thing and you say, "yes I agree entirely, you're so smart and <3" What the hell, man? | ||
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