On October 02 2012 06:41 Nisani201 wrote: Ghost, Kei's case on mattchew wasn't supposed to be a genuine case-- he abandoned it quickly because it wasn't real >_>
That's not entirely true. It was genuinely things that I found scummy. So instead of just saying "Hey Matt, why did you do that?" I made it into a case.
His response felt townie, and there was no pattern with his first posts, so I unvoted. It was weak, but it was a real question.
I'm still curious how you can think I was putting in "too much effort to be town", when you have first-hand seen the amount of effort I put in as a townie in your games.
Okay, finally seeing some differentiation in some of our early voters.
Right now I'm liking ghost's recent outburst and he replaces nisani as the towniest of the three.
I actually really like this point:
On October 02 2012 06:32 ghost_403 wrote: Why on earth would Keirathi put time and effort into a case against mattchew, then immediately abandon it for another lackluster case? Why wouldn't a town Keirathi, at the very least, spend a minute or two looking through Nisani's previous games if he's so convinced he's scum? There's a clear disparity between the amount of effort he's put in on the first and on the second, and I can't see Keirathi doing that as town.
I was so focused on Keirathi's explanations for his mattchew vote that I overlooked this.
It does seem off that the contrived case to get discussion going would have more work put into it, and some reliance on meta, when compared to keirathi's actual vote. Especially when players who have played with nisani said he seems townie based off past games. For some reason it makes this post hang in my mind:
On October 01 2012 14:58 HiroPro wrote: Do you think that keirathi would make points like this as scum? They read pretty townie to me.
On September 30 2012 13:01 Keirathi wrote: For completeness sake, though, I did go back through all of your games up to Movie Star, and the only pattern was that you seem to claim town if you get into the thread early, and otherwise say you are catching up and reading the thread in your first post
While I appreciate the read, this in particular shouldn't give you a townie read on me. Go read the post game comments from GSL Open Mini Mafia. I specifically mentioned that I spent a lot of time in filters and digging through meta to strengthen (or crush) cases that I was planning to make, even though I was scum.
Keirathi notes that he went way back into Mattchew's games to be complete, for the case that was intended to generate discussion. Keirathi notes that he spends a lot of time in filters even as scum.
On October 02 2012 06:49 ghost_403 wrote: @nisani: Then why did he put more time in it than the case against you, which is something that he said on this page is real?
I spent a whopping 5 minutes finding Matt's first posts in each of his games. So yes, I did spent 5 minutes more effort deciding if there was an actual pattern or if he just randomly says whatever he feels like in his first post.
Going through Nisani's meta, what exactly would I be looking for to confirm my feeling that he has too much information in this game? Even if I spent hours carefully reading all of his games, anything I find would just be colored with confirmation bias.
I'm assuming keirathi didn't time himself, but this + the explanation of the mattchew case/vote + things like this + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 00:58 austinmcc wrote: If you want me to keep looking at you, fine. What's up with this?
On October 01 2012 06:03 Keirathi wrote:
On October 01 2012 05:59 gonzaw wrote: At Keirathi: 1)Are you going to start scumhunting soon?
When I feel like there's enough for me to make an actual case that I believe in. Until them, I'm content to ask questions and discuss the current goings-on in the thread to build my reads.
On October 02 2012 00:40 Keirathi wrote:
On October 02 2012 00:36 JingleHell wrote:
On October 02 2012 00:31 austinmcc wrote:
Why exactly do you find that performance embarrassing, and how is it driving you to play the way you are this game? Is it just the constant pushing of Grush and trying to get people on that lynch?
I led several rather key mislynches. As town. Pushing Grush was about the least embarrassing part of my performance, because frankly, he's useless. I do wish he'd died earlier in the game, though.
I don't remember all the specifics at this point off the top of my head, but almost every time I convinced people on someone, it made the overall situation worse.
Clearly, if I make too much case out of too little, it doesn't serve the town, so I'm letting things solidify in my mind and in the thread a bit more before going into hardcore push people mode, because once I do that, there's a tendency for someone to get lynched.
Being in a town-leader-ish position is only good if I don't also get nominated as the scumteam's MVP as town for it.
How long, exactly, do you plan to wait? Theres only 7.5 hours until the deadline.
You've been doing more in thread, but it seems like you're getting on JH for saying he's doing exactly what you've said you're doing. Why is it fine for you to wait to scumhunt until you've got enough to make a case, but it's not alright for JH to wait before pushing someone?
The difference is there's less than 1/4 of the day left, and JH hadn't done much at all so far besides making excuses as to why he isn't playing to his town meta.
= scummy without just relying on someone else's play in another game
On October 02 2012 06:33 Nisani201 wrote: I still don't understand why we're letting Drazerk get away with playing an incredibly shitty game. He has *way* too many null reads and is barely contributing. I'm going to keep my vote on him. I mean just look through his filter and you'll see how little he's contributed.
On October 02 2012 06:32 ghost_403 wrote: Why on earth would Keirathi put time and effort into a case against mattchew, then immediately abandon it for another lackluster case? Why wouldn't a town Keirathi, at the very least, spend a minute or two looking through Nisani's previous games if he's so convinced he's scum? There's a clear disparity between the amount of effort he's put in on the first and on the second, and I can't see Keirathi doing that as town.
I was so focused on Keirathi's explanations for his mattchew vote that I overlooked this.
It does seem off that the contrived case to get discussion going would have more work put into it, and some reliance on meta, when compared to keirathi's actual vote. Especially when players who have played with nisani said he seems townie based off past games.
A player has said he has seen nisani play disinterested as townie before (Mattchew). The only other person that has even given an opinion on him (rather than just regurgitating facts, such as you did in your iamperfection post), was gonzaw saying that Nisani could a bored townie. No frame of reference, just that it was his gut feeling.
[QUOTE]On October 02 2012 07:08 austinmcc wrote:For some reason it makes this post hang in my mind:
[QUOTE]On October 01 2012 15:22 Keirathi wrote: [QUOTE]On October 01 2012 14:58 HiroPro wrote: Do you think that keirathi would make points like this as scum? They read pretty townie to me.
[QUOTE]On September 30 2012 13:01 Keirathi wrote: For completeness sake, though, I did go back through all of your games up to Movie Star, and the only pattern was that you seem to claim town if you get into the thread early, and otherwise say you are catching up and reading the thread in your first post [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] While I appreciate the read, this in particular shouldn't give you a townie read on me. Go read the post game comments from GSL Open Mini Mafia. I specifically mentioned that I spent a lot of time in filters and digging through meta to strengthen (or crush) cases that I was planning to make, even though I was scum. [/QUOTE] Keirathi notes that he went way back into Mattchew's games to be complete, for the case that was intended to generate discussion. Keirathi notes that he spends a lot of time in filters even as scum. [quote] What point are you trying to make here. Am I not taking time to look through Nisani's filter, therefor I'm scum? Or am I scum for looking through Matt's? They seem pretty contradictory.
[QUOTE]On October 02 2012 07:08 austinmcc wrote: But now it's just 5 minutes:[QUOTE]On October 02 2012 06:54 Keirathi wrote: [QUOTE]On October 02 2012 06:49 ghost_403 wrote: @nisani: Then why did he put more time in it than the case against you, which is something that he said on this page is real?[/QUOTE] I spent a whopping 5 minutes finding Matt's first posts in each of his games. So yes, I did spent 5 minutes more effort deciding if there was an actual pattern or if he just randomly says whatever he feels like in his first post.
Going through Nisani's meta, what exactly would I be looking for to confirm my feeling that he has too much information in this game? Even if I spent hours carefully reading all of his games, anything I find would just be colored with confirmation bias.[/QUOTE] I'm assuming keirathi didn't time himself, but this + the explanation of the mattchew case/vote + things like this + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 00:58 austinmcc wrote: If you want me to keep looking at you, fine. What's up with this?
On October 01 2012 06:03 Keirathi wrote:
On October 01 2012 05:59 gonzaw wrote: At Keirathi: 1)Are you going to start scumhunting soon?
When I feel like there's enough for me to make an actual case that I believe in. Until them, I'm content to ask questions and discuss the current goings-on in the thread to build my reads.
On October 02 2012 00:40 Keirathi wrote:
On October 02 2012 00:36 JingleHell wrote:
On October 02 2012 00:31 austinmcc wrote:
Why exactly do you find that performance embarrassing, and how is it driving you to play the way you are this game? Is it just the constant pushing of Grush and trying to get people on that lynch?
I led several rather key mislynches. As town. Pushing Grush was about the least embarrassing part of my performance, because frankly, he's useless. I do wish he'd died earlier in the game, though.
I don't remember all the specifics at this point off the top of my head, but almost every time I convinced people on someone, it made the overall situation worse.
Clearly, if I make too much case out of too little, it doesn't serve the town, so I'm letting things solidify in my mind and in the thread a bit more before going into hardcore push people mode, because once I do that, there's a tendency for someone to get lynched.
Being in a town-leader-ish position is only good if I don't also get nominated as the scumteam's MVP as town for it.
How long, exactly, do you plan to wait? Theres only 7.5 hours until the deadline.
You've been doing more in thread, but it seems like you're getting on JH for saying he's doing exactly what you've said you're doing. Why is it fine for you to wait to scumhunt until you've got enough to make a case, but it's not alright for JH to wait before pushing someone?
The difference is there's less than 1/4 of the day left, and JH hadn't done much at all so far besides making excuses as to why he isn't playing to his town meta.
= scummy without just relying on someone else's play in another game
##Vote: Keirathi [/QUOTE] No, you know what. Fuck it, I'm tired of answering the same things over and over again. Nothing I can say about those incidents is going to change your mind.
On October 02 2012 06:32 ghost_403 wrote: Why on earth would Keirathi put time and effort into a case against mattchew, then immediately abandon it for another lackluster case? Why wouldn't a town Keirathi, at the very least, spend a minute or two looking through Nisani's previous games if he's so convinced he's scum? There's a clear disparity between the amount of effort he's put in on the first and on the second, and I can't see Keirathi doing that as town.
I was so focused on Keirathi's explanations for his mattchew vote that I overlooked this.
It does seem off that the contrived case to get discussion going would have more work put into it, and some reliance on meta, when compared to keirathi's actual vote. Especially when players who have played with nisani said he seems townie based off past games.
A player has said he has seen nisani play disinterested as townie before (Mattchew). The only other person that has even given an opinion on him (rather than just regurgitating facts, such as you did in your iamperfection post), was gonzaw saying that Nisani could a bored townie. No frame of reference, just that it was his gut feeling.
On October 02 2012 07:08 austinmcc wrote:For some reason it makes this post hang in my mind:
On October 01 2012 14:58 HiroPro wrote: Do you think that keirathi would make points like this as scum? They read pretty townie to me.
On September 30 2012 13:01 Keirathi wrote: For completeness sake, though, I did go back through all of your games up to Movie Star, and the only pattern was that you seem to claim town if you get into the thread early, and otherwise say you are catching up and reading the thread in your first post
While I appreciate the read, this in particular shouldn't give you a townie read on me. Go read the post game comments from GSL Open Mini Mafia. I specifically mentioned that I spent a lot of time in filters and digging through meta to strengthen (or crush) cases that I was planning to make, even though I was scum.
Keirathi notes that he went way back into Mattchew's games to be complete, for the case that was intended to generate discussion. Keirathi notes that he spends a lot of time in filters even as scum.
What point are you trying to make here. Am I not taking time to look through Nisani's filter, therefor I'm scum? Or am I scum for looking through Matt's? They seem pretty contradictory.
On October 02 2012 07:08 austinmcc wrote: But now it's just 5 minutes:
On October 02 2012 06:49 ghost_403 wrote: @nisani: Then why did he put more time in it than the case against you, which is something that he said on this page is real?
I spent a whopping 5 minutes finding Matt's first posts in each of his games. So yes, I did spent 5 minutes more effort deciding if there was an actual pattern or if he just randomly says whatever he feels like in his first post.
Going through Nisani's meta, what exactly would I be looking for to confirm my feeling that he has too much information in this game? Even if I spent hours carefully reading all of his games, anything I find would just be colored with confirmation bias.
I'm assuming keirathi didn't time himself, but this + the explanation of the mattchew case/vote + things like this + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 00:58 austinmcc wrote: If you want me to keep looking at you, fine. What's up with this?
On October 01 2012 06:03 Keirathi wrote:
On October 01 2012 05:59 gonzaw wrote: At Keirathi: 1)Are you going to start scumhunting soon?
When I feel like there's enough for me to make an actual case that I believe in. Until them, I'm content to ask questions and discuss the current goings-on in the thread to build my reads.
On October 02 2012 00:40 Keirathi wrote:
On October 02 2012 00:36 JingleHell wrote:
On October 02 2012 00:31 austinmcc wrote:
Why exactly do you find that performance embarrassing, and how is it driving you to play the way you are this game? Is it just the constant pushing of Grush and trying to get people on that lynch?
I led several rather key mislynches. As town. Pushing Grush was about the least embarrassing part of my performance, because frankly, he's useless. I do wish he'd died earlier in the game, though.
I don't remember all the specifics at this point off the top of my head, but almost every time I convinced people on someone, it made the overall situation worse.
Clearly, if I make too much case out of too little, it doesn't serve the town, so I'm letting things solidify in my mind and in the thread a bit more before going into hardcore push people mode, because once I do that, there's a tendency for someone to get lynched.
Being in a town-leader-ish position is only good if I don't also get nominated as the scumteam's MVP as town for it.
How long, exactly, do you plan to wait? Theres only 7.5 hours until the deadline.
You've been doing more in thread, but it seems like you're getting on JH for saying he's doing exactly what you've said you're doing. Why is it fine for you to wait to scumhunt until you've got enough to make a case, but it's not alright for JH to wait before pushing someone?
The difference is there's less than 1/4 of the day left, and JH hadn't done much at all so far besides making excuses as to why he isn't playing to his town meta.
= scummy without just relying on someone else's play in another game
##Vote: Keirathi
Fuck it, I'm tired of answering the same things over and over again. Nothing I can say about those incidents is going to change your mind.
iamperfection I've said it many times. His demeanor is entirely different than his scum demeanor, and almost exactly the same as his townie demeanor. Yes, its a meta read, but one I'm comfortable not voting today.
His lurking I don't find particularly scummy either, because he has 3 games going at the same time and is posting about the same amount in all of them.
Drazerk Null, maybe leaning slightly town, because of his interactions with me earlier in the game. He had ample opportunity to push me if he was scum, but instead carried on a conversation explaining his thought process. I don't like his interactions with S&B, because they feel full of confirmation bias from a past dispute, which has pulled him back down closer to null.
And obviously I'm not going to be voting for myself. I've tried to be open with my thought processes and stayed active when it would have been much easier to lurk along with most of the town. I just flat-out don't have anyone that I have a strong enough scumread and enough supporting evidence of the read to push a lynch on. If you want to lynch me for being indecisive, then there's not really much I can do about that. I've been trying to engage people and gather their reactions and give opinions, but I can't magically make up a case.
So honestly I think there's a good chance that the top 3 candidates are all town and scum is having a hay-day.
On October 02 2012 07:47 Keirathi wrote: So lets get down to the current candidates:
iamperfection I've said it many times. His demeanor is entirely different than his scum demeanor, and almost exactly the same as his townie demeanor. Yes, its a meta read, but one I'm comfortable not voting today.
His lurking I don't find particularly scummy either, because he has 3 games going at the same time and is posting about the same amount in all of them.
Drazerk Null, maybe leaning slightly town, because of his interactions with me earlier in the game. He had ample opportunity to push me if he was scum, but instead carried on a conversation explaining his thought process. I don't like his interactions with S&B, because they feel full of confirmation bias from a past dispute, which has pulled him back down closer to null.
And obviously I'm not going to be voting for myself. I've tried to be open with my thought processes and stayed active when it would have been much easier to lurk along with most of the town. I just flat-out don't have anyone that I have a strong enough scumread and enough supporting evidence of the read to push a lynch on. If you want to lynch me for being indecisive, then there's not really much I can do about that. I've been trying to engage people and gather their reactions and give opinions, but I can't magically make up a case.
So honestly I think there's a good chance that the top 3 candidates are all town and scum is having a hay-day.
if you honestly feel this way you need to man the f' up and push a lynch candidate you think will flip scum. you haven't pushed jack shit
also this post just reeks of having more information than me because you can't explain your reads more than saying the word meta. show me the difference and explain it fully.
On October 02 2012 07:55 Mattchew wrote: draz you there? i am thinking of switching to keirathi who wants to play told ya so if iamperf flips town
Of course I'm going to say "I told ya so". This is the exact same fucking situation that happened in Not Themed. Everyone was piling onto Vivax at the end of day 1, and I kept saying "Guys, this is just town Vivax being town Vivax. Look at <Insert whatever game>." I mentioned the specific game he was scum in (Newbie XIX). But no one bothered to go look and compare that to his recent townie games.
On October 02 2012 07:55 Mattchew wrote: draz you there? i am thinking of switching to keirathi who wants to play told ya so if iamperf flips town
Of course I'm going to say "I told ya so". This is the exact same fucking situation that happened in Not Themed. Everyone was piling onto Vivax at the end of day 1, and I kept saying "Guys, this is just town Vivax being town Vivax. Look at <Insert whatever game>." I mentioned the specific game he was scum in (Newbie XIX). But no one bothered to go look and compare that to his recent townie games.
Fuck you if you want me to do your work for you.
EBWOP: Its on the accuser to make the case. If you think my meta read is wrong, then show me examples of him being aggressive/condescending/angsty as scum, or passive/noncommittal/sheepish as town.
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