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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 01 2012 23:05 GMT
#381
I feel so much better
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 23:09 GMT
#382
Fucking right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 23:10 GMT
#383
if you read the link I gave to you Keirathi you would have realized his meta didn't match rock band at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 01 2012 23:15 GMT
#384
On October 02 2012 08:10 Mementoss wrote:
if you read the link I gave to you Keirathi you would have realized his meta didn't match rock band at all.

Your objection to my points about iamp was that he was lurking. I specifically mentioned that I thought his lurking was not alignment indicative because he has had basically the same activity level in all 3 games that he's currently playing in.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 01 2012 23:16 GMT
#385
EBWOP: What I mean to say is that it was his attitude that had me leaning town on him, not necessarily the contents of his posts.

But, I was wrong and I am terrible.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 01 2012 23:37 GMT
#386
Very nice.

JH, does this change your read of mattchew?
Fe fi fo fum.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 01 2012 23:45 GMT
#387
Town...you impress me


Jingle is town, but he's bad. Bolded bad. Chill out, don't OMGUS, pay attention and don't get all cocky and arrogant and spam the thread with those defenses of yours.
The way you argued and interacted with people and the way you kept "shitting things up" even though it was obvious you should have stopped doing that as scum makes me think there's a chance you can be town, so take that chance and try to play better.

ghost and Nisani are likely scum I think, Mementos and Crossfire are there too.

ghost/Nisani/Mementos/Crossfire/Drazerk

I think all remaining scum are in there

Small reasoning here (I have to do some shit, and will have to consolidate a post of mine with all my thoughts and shit and that may take a while, so this is the tl;dr version):

ghost:
Yes, I had a "gut" feeling his initial posts may have been from "trolling" townie....but I get the gut feeling he's using scum tactics to pile onto Keirathi there. That post of his reeks of "I'm scum trying to make a case against someone I really want suspicion on".
No comments about iamperfection's interactions with him and viceversa.
Will read him fully later.
Nisani:
His "comeback" post was too fluffy and didn't contribute at all. He's not part of discussions at all, and doesn't even try to be.
"Not part of discussions"->Easiest heuristic for finding scum/town.
"Nisani is not part of discussions"->It's more likely he's scum.
Mementos:
He didn't do anything at all throughout D1. Same heuristic here as well, he hasn't been part of any discussion even though he was active (like when ghost asked him a question).
He didn't heavily push iamperfection so his vote on him doesn't mean anything, specially since unvoting him would not change anything.
Still, it doesn't seem right that he'd bus his scummate that early and never try to shift attention to some other townie, so I'll keep that in mind.
Crossfire:
This guy HAS to be scum. He has done 0 contributions at all and spent 70% of his post "joking" with Drazerk about how he's "confused" about him.
Drazerk:
Doesn't contribute and just skates by. Like I said he's likely to do the same as town because of the style of his play; but as time goes by it only increases the chances of him being scum.
Maybe S&B:
I dunno, I'll have to wait if he decides to be useful or not.

About Keirathi:
This dude is active as fuck, I heavily doubt he's scum at all nor even 3rd party.
Like I said before, there are some subtle things that make him town (like the same things that make Hiro town). Specially his attitude, activity and interactions with other people.

Everybody that's suspicious of him reread his filter and the D1 thread, and then tell me in the eyes he's scum (and not just townie that made mistakes) and explain why.


Yeah this is a shitty post, I'll be back later


P.S: See? This is why you always pay attention to Mattchew. Even if he's scum he 100% busses all his teammates so you are bound to kill any scum he points fingers at.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 01 2012 23:49 GMT
#388
Oh yeah, austin is also very likely town.


Mattchew, Keirathi, Hiro and austin are all very likely town
Jingle is likely town

You may be wondering why I'm posting town reads at night? Well, 2 reasons:

1)People stop casting suspicion on them unless they have a very good case. That way we don't lose time and effort running around in circles.
2)So scum kill them instead of me tonight ( >_> )

If someone wants any specific reasons why I think those are town (other than the Keirathi one up there) ask, but if not I don't really want to dwell with all the psychoanalysis of their play and what makes them town and shit.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 01 2012 23:51 GMT
#389
On October 02 2012 01:21 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 01:10 Keirathi wrote:
On October 02 2012 00:58 austinmcc wrote:
On October 02 2012 00:38 Keirathi wrote:
@austin: what's your position on me now? You jumped from not scummy, to questioning my explanations, and even through out a (laughable) scum motivation for my actions. But you completely didn't even mention me now that you're back.

Those jumps are based on what you did in the meantime. Here's my initial post:
On September 30 2012 15:44 austinmcc wrote:
...

I appreciate things getting off to a nice start, but really? Was I the only person who assumed that Keirathi didn't actually have some giant scumread on Mattchew? Given the reasons that he decided to vote mattchew (amg mattchew has used the term town and hasn't claimed a role that doesn't exist), I don't see the unvote as scummy. Vote for weak reasons, unvote for weak reasons.

Drazerk you ACTUALLY think it's anti-town to do that?

I didn't see your unvote for weak reasons as scummy. Drazerk had just posted that it was third party or idiot, I didn't find it to be telling at all because the reasoning behind the vote in the first place didn't seem strong.

Then after that post, you give your explanation and justification. THAT is what I feel is scummy, reminds me of scum. I'm not concerned about you unvoting based on some weak comments from matt (What drazerk mentioned and what I didn't find scummy), I'm concerned about you based on your later explanation where you claim to have wanted discussion and opinions yet unvote before any of that ever appears.

You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. But I've said all that I can say about it, you're just choosing to interpret it as some super-pro scum motivation. I've been completely open with my thoughts and opinions throughout the entirety of the game, and haven't shied away from having people talking about me.

On October 02 2012 00:58 austinmcc wrote:
Right now, I'm scummy on you. I'm not going to lead a crusade to lynch you because the way you explained a plan reminds of what a scum player in another game did, however. For now I'm looking elsewhere for today's lynch, and I'm watching you. I'm alright with the way you discussed Ghost when talking to Gonzaw, I don't think someone can get a free pass for a terrible vote and then not pushing it at all.

I'm not really sure what you mean by the bolded part. You think my explanation is similar to what scum did in another game, and you think I'm scummy, but you don't want to lynch me?

On October 02 2012 00:58 austinmcc wrote:
If you want me to keep looking at you, fine. What's up with this?
On October 01 2012 06:03 Keirathi wrote:
On October 01 2012 05:59 gonzaw wrote:
At Keirathi:
1)Are you going to start scumhunting soon?

When I feel like there's enough for me to make an actual case that I believe in. Until them, I'm content to ask questions and discuss the current goings-on in the thread to build my reads.

On October 02 2012 00:40 Keirathi wrote:
On October 02 2012 00:36 JingleHell wrote:
On October 02 2012 00:31 austinmcc wrote:

Why exactly do you find that performance embarrassing, and how is it driving you to play the way you are this game? Is it just the constant pushing of Grush and trying to get people on that lynch?


I led several rather key mislynches. As town. Pushing Grush was about the least embarrassing part of my performance, because frankly, he's useless. I do wish he'd died earlier in the game, though.

I don't remember all the specifics at this point off the top of my head, but almost every time I convinced people on someone, it made the overall situation worse.

Clearly, if I make too much case out of too little, it doesn't serve the town, so I'm letting things solidify in my mind and in the thread a bit more before going into hardcore push people mode, because once I do that, there's a tendency for someone to get lynched.

Being in a town-leader-ish position is only good if I don't also get nominated as the scumteam's MVP as town for it.

How long, exactly, do you plan to wait? Theres only 7.5 hours until the deadline.

You've been doing more in thread, but it seems like you're getting on JH for saying he's doing exactly what you've said you're doing. Why is it fine for you to wait to scumhunt until you've got enough to make a case, but it's not alright for JH to wait before pushing someone?

The difference is there's less than 1/4 of the day left, and JH hadn't done much at all so far besides making excuses as to why he isn't playing to his town meta.

Some of that "mountain" is because apparently I'm flip-flopping. You hadn't given your explanations at the time of my original post, so it was difficult to use them in getting a read on you.

As to the bolded, Gonzaw mentioned this when he came into the thread, and I keep mentioning it in my posts. Yes, a chunk of my scumread on you is because I found someone in another game scummy for the same thing (Talismania, can't believe it's not themed mini) - having incongruent explanations for this "plan" of his that was to generate activity. Still figuring out how much of my read on you is based on it being similar to that, and I need to do that before I push a lynch on you. What we don't need is more votes being spread around because of offhand references to one person's experiences in another game. There's too much of that already.


I noticed that too (I think I mentioned it before...maybe? I dunno).
However, as the day went on the differences between their play was very noticeable.
If you remember, talismania started off with his "bad" plan, spent 100% of his time talking about it and making up excuses and stuff, and then parked his vote on Dropbear. That was the only thing he did, he never participated in discussions or contributed to the lynch.

Keirathi did make the bad plan and tried to rationalize it afterwards, but he's been very active and participant ever since; and there's the difference


Anyways ignore me, I just have to do a lot of work tonight and I'm spouting anything that comes into my mouth (hey, at least I'm not talking about masons and the setup )

I'll make better posts later.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 01 2012 23:51 GMT
#390
woah, a scum died by my lead and im town? this is like anti-meta
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 01 2012 23:53 GMT
#391
I know right? Seems inconceivable.

Also, technically I voted iamperfection before and posted reasoning why, so you (as town) would have it easier to lead the lynch on him after bathing in my wisdom >_> <_<
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 23:54 GMT
#392
On October 02 2012 08:45 gonzaw wrote:
Town...you impress me


Jingle is town, but he's bad. Bolded bad. Chill out, don't OMGUS, pay attention and don't get all cocky and arrogant and spam the thread with those defenses of yours.
The way you argued and interacted with people and the way you kept "shitting things up" even though it was obvious you should have stopped doing that as scum makes me think there's a chance you can be town, so take that chance and try to play better.

ghost and Nisani are likely scum I think, Mementos and Crossfire are there too.

ghost/Nisani/Mementos/Crossfire/Drazerk

I think all remaining scum are in there

Small reasoning here (I have to do some shit, and will have to consolidate a post of mine with all my thoughts and shit and that may take a while, so this is the tl;dr version):

ghost:
Yes, I had a "gut" feeling his initial posts may have been from "trolling" townie....but I get the gut feeling he's using scum tactics to pile onto Keirathi there. That post of his reeks of "I'm scum trying to make a case against someone I really want suspicion on".
No comments about iamperfection's interactions with him and viceversa.
Will read him fully later.
Nisani:
His "comeback" post was too fluffy and didn't contribute at all. He's not part of discussions at all, and doesn't even try to be.
"Not part of discussions"->Easiest heuristic for finding scum/town.
"Nisani is not part of discussions"->It's more likely he's scum.
Mementos:
He didn't do anything at all throughout D1. Same heuristic here as well, he hasn't been part of any discussion even though he was active (like when ghost asked him a question).
He didn't heavily push iamperfection so his vote on him doesn't mean anything, specially since unvoting him would not change anything.
Still, it doesn't seem right that he'd bus his scummate that early and never try to shift attention to some other townie, so I'll keep that in mind.
Crossfire:
This guy HAS to be scum. He has done 0 contributions at all and spent 70% of his post "joking" with Drazerk about how he's "confused" about him.
Drazerk:
Doesn't contribute and just skates by. Like I said he's likely to do the same as town because of the style of his play; but as time goes by it only increases the chances of him being scum.
Maybe S&B:
I dunno, I'll have to wait if he decides to be useful or not.

About Keirathi:
This dude is active as fuck, I heavily doubt he's scum at all nor even 3rd party.
Like I said before, there are some subtle things that make him town (like the same things that make Hiro town). Specially his attitude, activity and interactions with other people.

Everybody that's suspicious of him reread his filter and the D1 thread, and then tell me in the eyes he's scum (and not just townie that made mistakes) and explain why.


Yeah this is a shitty post, I'll be back later


P.S: See? This is why you always pay attention to Mattchew. Even if he's scum he 100% busses all his teammates so you are bound to kill any scum he points fingers at.


wat

Didn't do anything

First one to post a case on Iamperfection and make a case

Also, what timing. No posting since you left but you manage to make it back 50 minutes after the night post. But nothing before the deadline.

Also this last post before you take off for the rest of the day struck me as odd. Pretty weak reason to switch/ odd timing:

On October 01 2012 23:58 gonzaw wrote:
Matt, Hiro and Keirathi are all likely town.

S&B I'm torn off but wouldn't want lynched since I know he steps up his game after N1 (as seen in like all games I've been with him as town).
Drazerk is Drazerk, I see no reason to think he's scum and lynch him right now.

Yes, it's easy for scum to pick any townie from that list at random and point fingers, but there's no reason to believe him.
I trust some people here more than others, and it's the opinion of those that I'll take into account to determine my choice.
The "scummy" people would be forced to choose so I can see how they interact and contribute, but not to completely sway my opinion.

Well, tough luck I'm leaving right now.
You know what, fuck it:

##Unvote: iamperfection
##Vote: JingleHell

I don't really buy that "the world is against me" attitude and I haven't seen any contribution from him other than his scummy read on Drazerk (maybe his unvote is not that scummy, but it's the only thing I can go on).

Take into account that's a rash vote/placeholder, but oh well.

So long people!


Also the tone in your posts don't seem like your town self.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 01 2012 23:54 GMT
#393
actually, you calling him scum and then second guessing yourself is what gave me the confidence to stay with it lol
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 01 2012 23:56 GMT
#394
^to gonzaw
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 23:58 GMT
#395
Also @gonzaw, austin is most likely town for what?

Sheeping onto iamperfection when mattchew told him to? Trying to counterwagon a last minute switch onto keirathi?

Dude, either your out of it this game or scum not sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 02 2012 00:00 GMT
#396
@Mementos. Whenever I read the thread I never noticed you were there. I only remember you making that case on iamperfection and then answering a question ghost made, nothing else.
I would say that is the definition of "didn't do anything". If you did, it didn't have any impact on the game whatsoever and would actually be worse (i.e you are trying to hide and skate by).

Also are you accusing me or something?

If anybody wants to know about that "post" of mine, I had to leave to uni instantly since I had a test 1 hour from then, but had 0 idea on who to vote or if I should keep my vote on iamp, etc. I just wrote whatever was on my mind as quickly as possible, tried to decide who to vote in like 5 seconds, placed the vote and then left.
On October 02 2012 08:54 Mattchew wrote:
actually, you calling him scum and then second guessing yourself is what gave me the confidence to stay with it lol

Pfff I had it all planned


Wait....the deadline was 1 hour ago?
Damn, I think I was home before the deadline (I got home like 1 hour and a half ago), but I assumed the deadline already passed and started reading the thread instead
Fuck almost fucked it up.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 02 2012 00:02 GMT
#397
On October 02 2012 08:58 Mementoss wrote:
Also @gonzaw, austin is most likely town for what?

Sheeping onto iamperfection when mattchew told him to? Trying to counterwagon a last minute switch onto keirathi?

Dude, either your out of it this game or scum not sure.


One easy way to show he's town is that gigantic post he made with pretty good reasons on why me and Matt are town.
There's only like 4% reason he'd post that as scum (specially using good reasons and not just posting shit to appear he's contributing).

Other than that, again his interactions with people and shit. It's kind of complex to explain in a rush
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 02 2012 00:25 GMT
#398
If your town mafia will kill you night 1 anyways lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 02 2012 00:52 GMT
#399
Luckily, Gonzaw is an arrogant dipshit who forgets that while he was wishy-washy tunneling me, he was actually just throwing around throwaway votes and has no room to "I told you so" anyone, or expect to be treated as town for his vote.

Let's get him tomorrow, gents.

Or am I supposed to ignore his tone in his post and bathe in good feelings because he agreed that I'm town while he spewed all sorts of shit?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 02 2012 00:52 GMT
#400
EBWOP: Sorry I missed the deadline, by the way. Was at TKD.
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