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On May 28 2012 04:23 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 03:14 Forumite wrote:On May 28 2012 02:52 jaj22 wrote:
I don't think the risks of electing a lyncher outweigh the value of electing a good town player. A lyncher may not even have a town target, and the chance of a genuine mayor contender rolling lyncher is low. It´s the other way around, those running for mayor have allready gotten their roles, and it´s likely that a lyncher has joined them because it´s good for a lyncher to become Mayor and immediately lynch his target, it´s MORE likely that one of the candidates is a lyncher. Yes, but the prominent candidates were very likely to put in campaigns regardless. I'd have been surprised if BH, ET and VE hadn't put in a campaign, while strongandbig and Wiggles aren't even pushing for mayor. I suppose Toad is now a plausible lyncher, as his claim can't be "proved" until day 2. Would be a risky play though. Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 03:14 Forumite wrote:
The lynchers target is also likely town, because there are more town in the game. Hmm. Lyncher/assassin targets will probably be flavour-related, and I suspect around half the named characters are town. Not sure about a lyncher with a scum target from a balance POV though, so you might be right for other reasons. @Toad: I notice that your correct day 1 reads are all veterans. What do you think of the veterans so far in this game?
give me some time about it. I posted my mayoral candidacy once I read my role PM without reading the thread and had to go due to some sports and I'm now back and reading :p
Will give you some thoughts in some time. I casually looked through it and got some basic ideas but nothing more so far.
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kitaman27
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Toad would you be fine being elected as pardoner?
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On May 28 2012 04:19 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 04:14 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ We just didn't want to vote you as mayor, I don't even know why a townie should tell his blue role in this in this case. because a townie wants a townie to be elected
Obviously. Your play doesn't seem very townie though.
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why would I want to have a pardoner. That thing is useless except for the deny-ing (however that is written in english) part.
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Because you want to do what's best for town, right?
Right?
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On May 28 2012 04:49 jaj22 wrote:
Because you want to do what's best for town, right?
Right?
best for town is to lynch a mafia but sure I'm fine taking the pardoner to be shot n1 and making sure it never gets used as well.
But I'd rather be more useful than that.
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On May 28 2012 04:46 Toadesstern wrote:
why would I want to have a pardoner. That thing is useless except for the deny-ing (however that is written in english) part.
We don´t want scum to be the pardoner. Having a (soon to be) confirmed townie for the Vice-Mayor is the perfect solution.
I can support voting Toades for Vice-Mayor, but I don´t want him as Mayor.
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Mafia won't use the pardoner either and you'll want me to be mayor soon enough :p
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On May 28 2012 04:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 04:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 28 2012 02:39 kitaman27 wrote:On May 28 2012 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote:On May 27 2012 11:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I would like to give a big thanks to my friend and fellow Grubby mod "astroorion" for helping me send the PMs I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU! I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself. Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_- Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet. ##Vote Hyaach. You got this. "Hey guys no scum candidate is up for elections so I'm gonna put one up now." Do you disagree with my assessment or do you just really want to get elected? :p On May 28 2012 02:03 GambitX32 wrote:
@kitaman: elect someone who isn't running? This doesn't make sense to me, would if they are bad at reading people or turn out to be a lurker? Lyncher is likely to run for mayor. Picking someone who isn't running reduces the odds of electing a lyncher. It doesn't really matter if we elect a lurker or less skilled player as long as they are town. Mayor isn't really a town leader in this setup without the bodyguards. On May 28 2012 02:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
rofl kita aren't you copying foolishness with that one? Lies. Foolishness put much more effort in endorsing his candidate. On May 28 2012 02:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Lastly, Kitaman, I don't think anyone's going to take your suggestion seriously. However, I'm interested, why did you choose Hyaach? What made you want to suggest him as the random mayor? Because he is a newer player and I want to hear more from him. Do you agree that it is more likely that a lyncher will be running for mayor? Lets lynch meeple. I think if there's a lyncher in play, then it makes sense for them to run for mayor if they feel semi-confident in coming out of the election alright. That's also why it's important that we elect someone based on their Day 1 play, and not any future promises, and that we elect someone we believe strongly to be town. I'm not that scared of there being a lyncher since I don't think he'd be able to get enough support to be elected, if we're smart about it. I think anyone who's being lined up to become mayor must provide a case on who they want to lynch before they're elected or else we pull out support for them. This will make it harder for scum and potentially a lyncher since they'll be forced to come up with some fake analysis on Day 1, which is hard to make sound sincere. If we don't like what the mayor is saying at that point, or their analysis is fake and contrived, then we can vote for someone else. On May 28 2012 02:52 jaj22 wrote:
I don't think the risks of electing a lyncher outweigh the value of electing a good town player. A lyncher may not even have a town target, and the chance of a genuine mayor contender rolling lyncher is low.
@Hyaach: What do you think about Kitaman voting for you? Or anything else, for that matter.
@Wiggles: What do you think about strongandbig? He's your main competitor on current form.
To the 60% of players who haven't posted at all yet, please do. No need to feel intimidated.
I don't get how he's my main competitor since I'm running for both positions, but would just prefer the pardoner since I know I'm town with 100% certainty. Also, most people are just going to vote for a mayor, not a mayor/pardoner, so we're going to end up with two mayoral candidates who have the most votes, and the runner-up is pardoner. On a side-note, is Strongandbig even still running? But, to answer your question, I don't think he's a good candidate. He basically has no platform, and he hasn't done anything to show that he's town. A lot of his posting is just about that thing with BH that has no bearing on the game. As well, he's unclear with what he's saying about how he'll use the power. He says he probably won't use the power, but then a couple sentences later he says he'll use it if he has a strong town-read. That shows that he's willing to just use the power if he doesn't agree with what the majority of town (remember, this is majority lynch) are thinking. I don't want a pardoner who's going to use his power just because he doesn't agree completely with the lynch. He also says he'll try to bring it up early if he wants to use the power, but that doesn't make much sense, since early on, there won't be a majority on someone. Realistically, a clear lynch target will only really appear in the last half of the day. So, overall, I don't think he's a good candidate for pardoner at all. Like I said, I think I'm a good candidate, and out of other people, ET is the best candidate. The office should be made up of myself and ET. On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ Why did you claim like this? My major gripe with what you've said so far, is that it doesn't seem like you're willing to put in the effort on Day 1 to show that you're town. As well, you can't be held accountable for anything you've said until after you get elected. Now you throw in this claim, which also can't be verified until after Day 1. Also, why even claim? Mason is a very strong role, especially in this set-up, because masons are confirmed town to the person they talk to. If you hit a townie with your mason, it would have been great for analysis, and if you hit a blue, then they could instantly role-claim to you and share their actions. That's pretty huge. Instead, you choose to waste the role by claiming on Day 1. Why? Why are you so desperate to get elected as mayor? It's not like a town player is useless after Day 1. At this point, it's starting to look like you're a lyncher or assassin who's going all-in on Day 1 to kill his target with the lynch. Mostly because I think I'm dead by the end of n1 or n2 anyways. About the accountability: Of course I can't. Noone can be held accountable before they get elected... If I were 3rd party or mafia I'd go for the long game as already pointed out: I don't think people are able to read me when I'm mafia so no need to do something like this, which means I want to be mayor because otherwise I'm dead before people listen to me 
Based on the player list, why do you think you'd end up dead on Night 1 or 2? There's other players on the list who would be higher on a shooting list for scum, and then add in your insistence that you're hard to read. If you were really that hard to read, then mafia would leave you alive to use as a scape-goat/mislynch on later days, not shoot you on Night 1. What you're saying seems contradictory.
On May 28 2012 04:19 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 04:14 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ We just didn't want to vote you as mayor, I don't even know why a townie should tell his blue role in this in this case. because a townie wants a townie to be elected Your claim doesn't do anything to show or prove that you're a townie, though, or at least not until after you're elected, which I've already pointed out is a problem.
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On May 28 2012 05:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 04:18 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 04:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 28 2012 02:39 kitaman27 wrote:On May 28 2012 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote:On May 27 2012 11:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I would like to give a big thanks to my friend and fellow Grubby mod "astroorion" for helping me send the PMs I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU! I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself. Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_- Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet. ##Vote Hyaach. You got this. "Hey guys no scum candidate is up for elections so I'm gonna put one up now." Do you disagree with my assessment or do you just really want to get elected? :p On May 28 2012 02:03 GambitX32 wrote:
@kitaman: elect someone who isn't running? This doesn't make sense to me, would if they are bad at reading people or turn out to be a lurker? Lyncher is likely to run for mayor. Picking someone who isn't running reduces the odds of electing a lyncher. It doesn't really matter if we elect a lurker or less skilled player as long as they are town. Mayor isn't really a town leader in this setup without the bodyguards. On May 28 2012 02:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
rofl kita aren't you copying foolishness with that one? Lies. Foolishness put much more effort in endorsing his candidate. On May 28 2012 02:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Lastly, Kitaman, I don't think anyone's going to take your suggestion seriously. However, I'm interested, why did you choose Hyaach? What made you want to suggest him as the random mayor? Because he is a newer player and I want to hear more from him. Do you agree that it is more likely that a lyncher will be running for mayor? Lets lynch meeple. I think if there's a lyncher in play, then it makes sense for them to run for mayor if they feel semi-confident in coming out of the election alright. That's also why it's important that we elect someone based on their Day 1 play, and not any future promises, and that we elect someone we believe strongly to be town. I'm not that scared of there being a lyncher since I don't think he'd be able to get enough support to be elected, if we're smart about it. I think anyone who's being lined up to become mayor must provide a case on who they want to lynch before they're elected or else we pull out support for them. This will make it harder for scum and potentially a lyncher since they'll be forced to come up with some fake analysis on Day 1, which is hard to make sound sincere. If we don't like what the mayor is saying at that point, or their analysis is fake and contrived, then we can vote for someone else. On May 28 2012 02:52 jaj22 wrote:
I don't think the risks of electing a lyncher outweigh the value of electing a good town player. A lyncher may not even have a town target, and the chance of a genuine mayor contender rolling lyncher is low.
@Hyaach: What do you think about Kitaman voting for you? Or anything else, for that matter.
@Wiggles: What do you think about strongandbig? He's your main competitor on current form.
To the 60% of players who haven't posted at all yet, please do. No need to feel intimidated.
I don't get how he's my main competitor since I'm running for both positions, but would just prefer the pardoner since I know I'm town with 100% certainty. Also, most people are just going to vote for a mayor, not a mayor/pardoner, so we're going to end up with two mayoral candidates who have the most votes, and the runner-up is pardoner. On a side-note, is Strongandbig even still running? But, to answer your question, I don't think he's a good candidate. He basically has no platform, and he hasn't done anything to show that he's town. A lot of his posting is just about that thing with BH that has no bearing on the game. As well, he's unclear with what he's saying about how he'll use the power. He says he probably won't use the power, but then a couple sentences later he says he'll use it if he has a strong town-read. That shows that he's willing to just use the power if he doesn't agree with what the majority of town (remember, this is majority lynch) are thinking. I don't want a pardoner who's going to use his power just because he doesn't agree completely with the lynch. He also says he'll try to bring it up early if he wants to use the power, but that doesn't make much sense, since early on, there won't be a majority on someone. Realistically, a clear lynch target will only really appear in the last half of the day. So, overall, I don't think he's a good candidate for pardoner at all. Like I said, I think I'm a good candidate, and out of other people, ET is the best candidate. The office should be made up of myself and ET. On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ Why did you claim like this? My major gripe with what you've said so far, is that it doesn't seem like you're willing to put in the effort on Day 1 to show that you're town. As well, you can't be held accountable for anything you've said until after you get elected. Now you throw in this claim, which also can't be verified until after Day 1. Also, why even claim? Mason is a very strong role, especially in this set-up, because masons are confirmed town to the person they talk to. If you hit a townie with your mason, it would have been great for analysis, and if you hit a blue, then they could instantly role-claim to you and share their actions. That's pretty huge. Instead, you choose to waste the role by claiming on Day 1. Why? Why are you so desperate to get elected as mayor? It's not like a town player is useless after Day 1. At this point, it's starting to look like you're a lyncher or assassin who's going all-in on Day 1 to kill his target with the lynch. Mostly because I think I'm dead by the end of n1 or n2 anyways. About the accountability: Of course I can't. Noone can be held accountable before they get elected... If I were 3rd party or mafia I'd go for the long game as already pointed out: I don't think people are able to read me when I'm mafia so no need to do something like this, which means I want to be mayor because otherwise I'm dead before people listen to me Based on the player list, why do you think you'd end up dead on Night 1 or 2? There's other players on the list who would be higher on a shooting list for scum, and then add in your insistence that you're hard to read. If you were really that hard to read, then mafia would leave you alive to use as a scape-goat/mislynch on later days, not shoot you on Night 1. What you're saying seems contradictory. Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 04:19 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 04:14 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ We just didn't want to vote you as mayor, I don't even know why a townie should tell his blue role in this in this case. because a townie wants a townie to be elected Your claim doesn't do anything to show or prove that you're a townie, though, or at least not until after you're elected, which I've already pointed out is a problem.
Why is it a problem.
You are not acountable before you act either but for you I'm either a townie or a lyncher right now, correct?
Let's be honest, worst case I lynch the guy I need to lynch if I am a lyncher and you have the most disruptive guy in the game out of the game because if I really am a lyncher I will be kicking, screaming and punching to get that guy lynched and you have a true-rnd policy lynch because I assume that the target of a lyncher can be both, mafia or town (or 3rd party).
So the worst case scenario would be you get rid of a anti-Town guy (that's me if I am a lyncher) because I don't care about lynching mafia at all, you know that mafia is not Mayor because there's no mayor left (that guy is going to die soon anyways without a BG) and you've got a kind-of-policy lynch thingy. That doesn't sound so bad to me.
And let's be honest again, I did not realize that a mason would be awesome for the lyncher as well as you pointed out but I'm going to make sure you guys know I'm town within the next 24 hours so give me some time and let me do my job, I will give updates on my reads and explain them. And I don't need some guy to poke me nonstop yelling "toad give update, toad give update NAO" when I said I'm busy today and only started to read the thread an hour ago.
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And just to make this clear: I'm not a lyncher but even if you are scared about it I don't understand why.
But I'll make sure that the guy I want to lynch is the best guy to lynch anyways.
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and for the first update (although I'm only on page now and I'm trippleposting): ET seems like a decent lynch right now, but nowhere clear on that one yet.
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On May 28 2012 05:13 Toadesstern wrote:
and for the first update (although I'm only on page now and I'm trippleposting): ET seems like a decent lynch right now, but nowhere clear on that one yet.
What suspicions do you have about ET?
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On May 28 2012 05:12 Toadesstern wrote:
And just to make this clear: I'm not a lyncher but even if you are scared about it I don't understand why.
But I'll make sure that the guy I want to lynch is the best guy to lynch anyways.
On May 28 2012 05:13 Toadesstern wrote:
and for the first update (although I'm only on page now and I'm trippleposting): ET seems like a decent lynch right now, but nowhere clear on that one yet.
LOL. If you aren't lyncher I will eat 2!!!! of BH's hats.
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On May 28 2012 05:21 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:13 Toadesstern wrote:
and for the first update (although I'm only on page now and I'm trippleposting): ET seems like a decent lynch right now, but nowhere clear on that one yet. What suspicions do you have about ET?
mostly the fact that he's posting super manipulative while talking about stuff that is easy to say as mafia as well, which is not an alignment tell at all but it looks like contributing.
He's not making a lot of sense when talking, contradicts himself a little every now an then (or than idk, german lol) while quoting nice posts to completly ignore the "contribution" out of the post and just talk about the 2 lines that are utterly useless which again looks like contribution but really isn't.
But I'm only on page 15 so far and apparently typing with a band-aid on your finger is really hard to do, so I'm having typos all the time when I try to reach for the right side of my keyboard...
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On May 28 2012 05:11 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 28 2012 04:18 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 04:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 28 2012 02:39 kitaman27 wrote:On May 28 2012 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote:On May 27 2012 11:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I would like to give a big thanks to my friend and fellow Grubby mod "astroorion" for helping me send the PMs I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU! I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself. Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_- Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet. ##Vote Hyaach. You got this. "Hey guys no scum candidate is up for elections so I'm gonna put one up now." Do you disagree with my assessment or do you just really want to get elected? :p On May 28 2012 02:03 GambitX32 wrote:
@kitaman: elect someone who isn't running? This doesn't make sense to me, would if they are bad at reading people or turn out to be a lurker? Lyncher is likely to run for mayor. Picking someone who isn't running reduces the odds of electing a lyncher. It doesn't really matter if we elect a lurker or less skilled player as long as they are town. Mayor isn't really a town leader in this setup without the bodyguards. On May 28 2012 02:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
rofl kita aren't you copying foolishness with that one? Lies. Foolishness put much more effort in endorsing his candidate. On May 28 2012 02:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Lastly, Kitaman, I don't think anyone's going to take your suggestion seriously. However, I'm interested, why did you choose Hyaach? What made you want to suggest him as the random mayor? Because he is a newer player and I want to hear more from him. Do you agree that it is more likely that a lyncher will be running for mayor? Lets lynch meeple. I think if there's a lyncher in play, then it makes sense for them to run for mayor if they feel semi-confident in coming out of the election alright. That's also why it's important that we elect someone based on their Day 1 play, and not any future promises, and that we elect someone we believe strongly to be town. I'm not that scared of there being a lyncher since I don't think he'd be able to get enough support to be elected, if we're smart about it. I think anyone who's being lined up to become mayor must provide a case on who they want to lynch before they're elected or else we pull out support for them. This will make it harder for scum and potentially a lyncher since they'll be forced to come up with some fake analysis on Day 1, which is hard to make sound sincere. If we don't like what the mayor is saying at that point, or their analysis is fake and contrived, then we can vote for someone else. On May 28 2012 02:52 jaj22 wrote:
I don't think the risks of electing a lyncher outweigh the value of electing a good town player. A lyncher may not even have a town target, and the chance of a genuine mayor contender rolling lyncher is low.
@Hyaach: What do you think about Kitaman voting for you? Or anything else, for that matter.
@Wiggles: What do you think about strongandbig? He's your main competitor on current form.
To the 60% of players who haven't posted at all yet, please do. No need to feel intimidated.
I don't get how he's my main competitor since I'm running for both positions, but would just prefer the pardoner since I know I'm town with 100% certainty. Also, most people are just going to vote for a mayor, not a mayor/pardoner, so we're going to end up with two mayoral candidates who have the most votes, and the runner-up is pardoner. On a side-note, is Strongandbig even still running? But, to answer your question, I don't think he's a good candidate. He basically has no platform, and he hasn't done anything to show that he's town. A lot of his posting is just about that thing with BH that has no bearing on the game. As well, he's unclear with what he's saying about how he'll use the power. He says he probably won't use the power, but then a couple sentences later he says he'll use it if he has a strong town-read. That shows that he's willing to just use the power if he doesn't agree with what the majority of town (remember, this is majority lynch) are thinking. I don't want a pardoner who's going to use his power just because he doesn't agree completely with the lynch. He also says he'll try to bring it up early if he wants to use the power, but that doesn't make much sense, since early on, there won't be a majority on someone. Realistically, a clear lynch target will only really appear in the last half of the day. So, overall, I don't think he's a good candidate for pardoner at all. Like I said, I think I'm a good candidate, and out of other people, ET is the best candidate. The office should be made up of myself and ET. On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ Why did you claim like this? My major gripe with what you've said so far, is that it doesn't seem like you're willing to put in the effort on Day 1 to show that you're town. As well, you can't be held accountable for anything you've said until after you get elected. Now you throw in this claim, which also can't be verified until after Day 1. Also, why even claim? Mason is a very strong role, especially in this set-up, because masons are confirmed town to the person they talk to. If you hit a townie with your mason, it would have been great for analysis, and if you hit a blue, then they could instantly role-claim to you and share their actions. That's pretty huge. Instead, you choose to waste the role by claiming on Day 1. Why? Why are you so desperate to get elected as mayor? It's not like a town player is useless after Day 1. At this point, it's starting to look like you're a lyncher or assassin who's going all-in on Day 1 to kill his target with the lynch. Mostly because I think I'm dead by the end of n1 or n2 anyways. About the accountability: Of course I can't. Noone can be held accountable before they get elected... If I were 3rd party or mafia I'd go for the long game as already pointed out: I don't think people are able to read me when I'm mafia so no need to do something like this, which means I want to be mayor because otherwise I'm dead before people listen to me Based on the player list, why do you think you'd end up dead on Night 1 or 2? There's other players on the list who would be higher on a shooting list for scum, and then add in your insistence that you're hard to read. If you were really that hard to read, then mafia would leave you alive to use as a scape-goat/mislynch on later days, not shoot you on Night 1. What you're saying seems contradictory. On May 28 2012 04:19 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 04:14 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ We just didn't want to vote you as mayor, I don't even know why a townie should tell his blue role in this in this case. because a townie wants a townie to be elected Your claim doesn't do anything to show or prove that you're a townie, though, or at least not until after you're elected, which I've already pointed out is a problem. Why is it a problem. You are not acountable before you act either but for you I'm either a townie or a lyncher right now, correct? Let's be honest, worst case I lynch the guy I need to lynch if I am a lyncher and you have the most disruptive guy in the game out of the game because if I really am a lyncher I will be kicking, screaming and punching to get that guy lynched and you have a true-rnd policy lynch because I assume that the target of a lyncher can be both, mafia or town (or 3rd party). So the worst case scenario would be you get rid of a anti-Town guy (that's me if I am a lyncher) because I don't care about lynching mafia at all, you know that mafia is not Mayor because there's no mayor left (that guy is going to die soon anyways without a BG) and you've got a kind-of-policy lynch thingy. That doesn't sound so bad to me. And let's be honest again, I did not realize that a mason would be awesome for the lyncher as well as you pointed out but I'm going to make sure you guys know I'm town within the next 24 hours so give me some time and let me do my job, I will give updates on my reads and explain them. And I don't need some guy to poke me nonstop yelling "toad give update, toad give update NAO" when I said I'm busy today and only started to read the thread an hour ago.
Worst case, you lynch the guy you want to lynch, are removed from the game, town probably losing a player based on the proportion of town to scum, and scum get a free round of night actions. So, town ends up losing 4 players and the mayor role for free. How's that not that bad for town?
For the people who want to put you as the pardoner, that's just as bad. If a lyncher/assassin gets put into the role of pardoner, then expect scum to try to bribe them when one of them is about to get lynched. Something along the lines of "Pardon my lynch, and my team will shoot your target", or something like that. Again, we lose a whole cycle to the pardon, and then we're left with either a lyncher we either need to suffer through spamming in thread, or we lose a day of discussion lynching him. A pardoner lyncher can also at any point hold the lynch hostage unless we kill his target, again leading to a round of free kills.
Also, you never answered my question about why you were scared of dying on Night 1 or 2. The player list suggests you're not the highest priority target for scum, and your own insistence of being hard to read suggests scum would leave you alive as you'd be a magnet for suspicion.
Finally, I find it odd that you're trying to downplay the impact of a Lyncher/Assassin being elected rather than denying that you're one of those roles and trying to show otherwise.
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mason me obviously.
and we hang this zealosguy who defends you, claims VT and doesnt answer my questions (because he doesnt read the thread). defending townies that screw up a little is a classic scummove.
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On May 28 2012 05:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:11 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 05:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 28 2012 04:18 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 04:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 28 2012 02:39 kitaman27 wrote:On May 28 2012 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote:On May 27 2012 11:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I would like to give a big thanks to my friend and fellow Grubby mod "astroorion" for helping me send the PMs I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU! I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself. Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_- Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet. ##Vote Hyaach. You got this. "Hey guys no scum candidate is up for elections so I'm gonna put one up now." Do you disagree with my assessment or do you just really want to get elected? :p On May 28 2012 02:03 GambitX32 wrote:
@kitaman: elect someone who isn't running? This doesn't make sense to me, would if they are bad at reading people or turn out to be a lurker? Lyncher is likely to run for mayor. Picking someone who isn't running reduces the odds of electing a lyncher. It doesn't really matter if we elect a lurker or less skilled player as long as they are town. Mayor isn't really a town leader in this setup without the bodyguards. On May 28 2012 02:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
rofl kita aren't you copying foolishness with that one? Lies. Foolishness put much more effort in endorsing his candidate. On May 28 2012 02:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Lastly, Kitaman, I don't think anyone's going to take your suggestion seriously. However, I'm interested, why did you choose Hyaach? What made you want to suggest him as the random mayor? Because he is a newer player and I want to hear more from him. Do you agree that it is more likely that a lyncher will be running for mayor? Lets lynch meeple. I think if there's a lyncher in play, then it makes sense for them to run for mayor if they feel semi-confident in coming out of the election alright. That's also why it's important that we elect someone based on their Day 1 play, and not any future promises, and that we elect someone we believe strongly to be town. I'm not that scared of there being a lyncher since I don't think he'd be able to get enough support to be elected, if we're smart about it. I think anyone who's being lined up to become mayor must provide a case on who they want to lynch before they're elected or else we pull out support for them. This will make it harder for scum and potentially a lyncher since they'll be forced to come up with some fake analysis on Day 1, which is hard to make sound sincere. If we don't like what the mayor is saying at that point, or their analysis is fake and contrived, then we can vote for someone else. On May 28 2012 02:52 jaj22 wrote:
I don't think the risks of electing a lyncher outweigh the value of electing a good town player. A lyncher may not even have a town target, and the chance of a genuine mayor contender rolling lyncher is low.
@Hyaach: What do you think about Kitaman voting for you? Or anything else, for that matter.
@Wiggles: What do you think about strongandbig? He's your main competitor on current form.
To the 60% of players who haven't posted at all yet, please do. No need to feel intimidated.
I don't get how he's my main competitor since I'm running for both positions, but would just prefer the pardoner since I know I'm town with 100% certainty. Also, most people are just going to vote for a mayor, not a mayor/pardoner, so we're going to end up with two mayoral candidates who have the most votes, and the runner-up is pardoner. On a side-note, is Strongandbig even still running? But, to answer your question, I don't think he's a good candidate. He basically has no platform, and he hasn't done anything to show that he's town. A lot of his posting is just about that thing with BH that has no bearing on the game. As well, he's unclear with what he's saying about how he'll use the power. He says he probably won't use the power, but then a couple sentences later he says he'll use it if he has a strong town-read. That shows that he's willing to just use the power if he doesn't agree with what the majority of town (remember, this is majority lynch) are thinking. I don't want a pardoner who's going to use his power just because he doesn't agree completely with the lynch. He also says he'll try to bring it up early if he wants to use the power, but that doesn't make much sense, since early on, there won't be a majority on someone. Realistically, a clear lynch target will only really appear in the last half of the day. So, overall, I don't think he's a good candidate for pardoner at all. Like I said, I think I'm a good candidate, and out of other people, ET is the best candidate. The office should be made up of myself and ET. On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ Why did you claim like this? My major gripe with what you've said so far, is that it doesn't seem like you're willing to put in the effort on Day 1 to show that you're town. As well, you can't be held accountable for anything you've said until after you get elected. Now you throw in this claim, which also can't be verified until after Day 1. Also, why even claim? Mason is a very strong role, especially in this set-up, because masons are confirmed town to the person they talk to. If you hit a townie with your mason, it would have been great for analysis, and if you hit a blue, then they could instantly role-claim to you and share their actions. That's pretty huge. Instead, you choose to waste the role by claiming on Day 1. Why? Why are you so desperate to get elected as mayor? It's not like a town player is useless after Day 1. At this point, it's starting to look like you're a lyncher or assassin who's going all-in on Day 1 to kill his target with the lynch. Mostly because I think I'm dead by the end of n1 or n2 anyways. About the accountability: Of course I can't. Noone can be held accountable before they get elected... If I were 3rd party or mafia I'd go for the long game as already pointed out: I don't think people are able to read me when I'm mafia so no need to do something like this, which means I want to be mayor because otherwise I'm dead before people listen to me Based on the player list, why do you think you'd end up dead on Night 1 or 2? There's other players on the list who would be higher on a shooting list for scum, and then add in your insistence that you're hard to read. If you were really that hard to read, then mafia would leave you alive to use as a scape-goat/mislynch on later days, not shoot you on Night 1. What you're saying seems contradictory. On May 28 2012 04:19 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 04:14 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ We just didn't want to vote you as mayor, I don't even know why a townie should tell his blue role in this in this case. because a townie wants a townie to be elected Your claim doesn't do anything to show or prove that you're a townie, though, or at least not until after you're elected, which I've already pointed out is a problem. Why is it a problem. You are not acountable before you act either but for you I'm either a townie or a lyncher right now, correct? Let's be honest, worst case I lynch the guy I need to lynch if I am a lyncher and you have the most disruptive guy in the game out of the game because if I really am a lyncher I will be kicking, screaming and punching to get that guy lynched and you have a true-rnd policy lynch because I assume that the target of a lyncher can be both, mafia or town (or 3rd party). So the worst case scenario would be you get rid of a anti-Town guy (that's me if I am a lyncher) because I don't care about lynching mafia at all, you know that mafia is not Mayor because there's no mayor left (that guy is going to die soon anyways without a BG) and you've got a kind-of-policy lynch thingy. That doesn't sound so bad to me. And let's be honest again, I did not realize that a mason would be awesome for the lyncher as well as you pointed out but I'm going to make sure you guys know I'm town within the next 24 hours so give me some time and let me do my job, I will give updates on my reads and explain them. And I don't need some guy to poke me nonstop yelling "toad give update, toad give update NAO" when I said I'm busy today and only started to read the thread an hour ago. Worst case, you lynch the guy you want to lynch, are removed from the game, town probably losing a player based on the proportion of town to scum, and scum get a free round of night actions. So, town ends up losing 4 players and the mayor role for free. How's that not that bad for town? For the people who want to put you as the pardoner, that's just as bad. If a lyncher/assassin gets put into the role of pardoner, then expect scum to try to bribe them when one of them is about to get lynched. Something along the lines of "Pardon my lynch, and my team will shoot your target", or something like that. Again, we lose a whole cycle to the pardon, and then we're left with either a lyncher we either need to suffer through spamming in thread, or we lose a day of discussion lynching him. A pardoner lyncher can also at any point hold the lynch hostage unless we kill his target, again leading to a round of free kills. Also, you never answered my question about why you were scared of dying on Night 1 or 2. The player list suggests you're not the highest priority target for scum, and your own insistence of being hard to read suggests scum would leave you alive as you'd be a magnet for suspicion. Finally, I find it odd that you're trying to downplay the impact of a Lyncher/Assassin being elected rather than denying that you're one of those roles and trying to show otherwise.
I am trying to show otherwise but that needs time and I can't come up with an awesome lynch out of nowhere so from my point of view I either ignore you or talk about things I can already talk about in the meantime. Do you want me to ignore you instead? I can do that as well.
About why I think I'm going to be shot early on: I got shot n1 last time and I claimed mason this time. I think that makes me a high priority.
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kitaman27
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Lets end the discussion right now.
Toad is our pardoner.
It's the best of both worlds. It ensures we don't have a scum pardoner, which is the more dangerous of the two roles and it protects us from a mayor lyncher. If you're town toad, then great we denied the role. If not, then we don't really care if you would prefer mayor.
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i also have some guys that are clearly town.
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