EPTOn January 22 2012 11:32 vaderseven wrote:
When does the next day start?
When does the next day start?
less than 30 minutes I think.
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
less than 30 minutes I think. | ||
p4NDemik
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 22 2012 11:33 p4NDemik wrote: Foolishness has been pretty worthless town to boot if you look at his history. He's only unquestioned because he's tight with Protact/BC. He's been building many lists but not making many strong cases. On my bad guy list atm. the thing that bothers me most about Foolish is the fact that he hasn't died. I would expect mafia to triple stack him if necessary, since he's obviously been correct about at least two or three scum now. This is actually what bothers me a lot about this game and it's been messing with my head for a while. By all means, at least one of Protact/Foolishness should have died by now. Also, if BM was scum and BC was town I'm sure the bodyguards would've started dying too. None of these things have happened, which is concerning me right now. It could very well mean BC is scum or both BC and BM are town. Right now I feel like I don't have a proper handle on the alignments of the "biggest" veterans in the game and that concerns me deeply. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
My game used to revolve around meta, and pegging people based upon past experiences I am seeing Foolishness as a townie, BC as a PR, and Incognito as scum on the people I know how to read Passed that, I am pretty confused. | ||
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kitaman27
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wherebugsgo
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On January 22 2012 11:41 kitaman27 wrote: You see BC as a power role? The guy who spent the entire game talking about his mason claim? why have you done next to nothing for the past...I dunno...ever? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 22 2012 11:41 wherebugsgo wrote: why have you done next to nothing for the past...I dunno...ever? You think I'm scum bugs? | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I dunno wtf you are, your play as both alignments is really good. But then, as town this game you've done next to nothing. So, that just leaves good scum play. o_O Tell me, who do you think is scum right now and why? | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
I say this in case I die. Please re-read this post of mine if I do die. I put alot into reading this thread when I replaced in and these thoughts are a fresh look type of thing. I stand by my thoughts in this post as of right now. Keep in mind my vote came off of Bill Murray when i realized he had a very pro town move to help clear his (key word help, it doesnt clear him totally) in moving his bomb. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=151#3020 | ||
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hiro protagonist
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Dont worry, its not that important. its someone that most people i see as town have as a townie in there reads. so it wont matter much if i die tonight with that info. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.cityofbradenton.com/vertical/Sites/%7B2D1C3C91-86C5-4ACC-86B6-6CFA76381D46%7D/uploads/sunrise.JPG) TL Mafia L: Day 4 Start I'm sorry I'm too tired and jcarlsoniv isn't around :s Protactinium the Detective is now dead. Scamp the Mason is now dead. GGQ the Townie is now dead. Day 4. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
So these kills are interesting. Why Scamp and GGQ? Wtf? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Here are my mason logs with opz. I was leaning scum on him so I requested him as a mason partner. Based on the conversation, nothing has really changed. I'll try to make a more detailed post tomorrow. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From ~OpZ~: ....Well you see....I wanted to shoot you but Bill Murray took the gun from me. KERPOW. My thoughts on the game right now? I've read up until I last posted because I'm fed up with myself, clicked the page with the number gap, seen you asked me to mason you, seen who died, and the lynch and went to work. So I've read page, 124/5/6 but I only know the game from page 101? Two people I'd like to see lynched the most? VE. JayJay's post on page 137 with the terrible quotes. I really like it. Followed by VE asking Jackal if its okay he puts him on his lynch list? -__- I read on one of those pages after that Jackal claimed he shot L by that point or am I confused, I gotta actually read the thread from where I stopped. And I'd look at scamp if I were you. Aren't tabs just the most wonderful things ever? btw. I was just perusing the thread. Your post on Bill Murray sucks. Or I'm just reading impaired. [13:14] <opz> sir 01[13:14] <kitaman27> hey <3 01[13:14] <kitaman27> sec, let me get out of bed :p 01[13:18] <kitaman27> mmk back 01[13:19] <kitaman27> who did you mason on day two? I forget [13:21] <opz> bum, but we didn't talk besides my initial message to him 01[13:22] <kitaman27> ah [13:22] <opz> I didn't even talk to BC much [13:22] <opz> or you 01[13:22] <kitaman27> heh 01[13:24] <kitaman27> you mentioned I should be looking at scamp, any reason in particular? [13:28] <opz> More than a few posts by him are worthless, and not pushing an issue, or even giving his opinion, just looking through his filter is enough you don't even need to see the content. He seemed to of flown under the radar. 01[13:29] <kitaman27> any reason you haven't brought him up yourself? [13:31] <opz> That's simple, I haven't been around and hadn't never given him a look. I'm only messaging you while I'm looking for something to do for my kinda gf's birthday 01[13:32] <kitaman27>  [13:32] <opz> My job wants me to come in to work today again -_-... 01[13:33] <kitaman27> evil 01[13:33] <kitaman27> don't they realize you have mafia duties to attend to? [13:33] <opz> -_- [13:33] <opz> I was scheduled off 5 days, which pissed me off, but then they call me in every day -_- 01[13:33] <kitaman27> ouch [13:33] <opz> I thought I'd have time....plenty of time 01[13:34] <kitaman27> meapak, prot, foolishness, bm, bc...any of them stick out as scum to you? [13:34] <opz> BC's recent posts have been poor (from what I've seen from 120ish to 168) [13:35] <opz> I wouldn't say he's scum, but he's ruining my strong view of him as town... 01[13:35] <kitaman27> do you think this logs with sandroba were fake? [13:35] <opz> Foolishness probably isn't scum [13:36] <opz> That's the kicker Kita [13:36] <opz> I don't think he could fake THAT much [13:37] <opz> I actually read them 01[13:38] <kitaman27> how do you feel about the timing of his day one mason claim? He says it wasn't an attempt to get elected, but what did it actually accomplish? [13:40] <opz> Honestly...I don't think much was going on in the thread when he through it out there. It seems like too much attention for a mafia to want to bring to himself. And I feel like its a worthless role. Why not? [13:41] <opz> your opinion? [13:41] <opz> Your not giving me any opinion kita 01[13:41] <kitaman27> Maybe you haven't earned my opinion! 01[13:42] <kitaman27> How about BM? Do you still think he is town? [13:45] <opz> lmao [13:45] <opz> fuck this Session Close: Sat Jan 21 13:51:00 2012 Session Start: Sat Jan 21 13:52:11 2012 Session Ident: opz [13:52] Session Ident: opz (QuakeNet, kitaman27) (~chatzilla@c-98-244-187-183.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) [13:52] <opz> unless scamp is confirmed and I missed it, his post on WBG -_- 01[13:52] <kitaman27> haha wb :p [13:54] <opz> "*insert some petty name calling to start an argument in thread* I wanna say he's scum *yadaddadadadadaaa*...but hes probably town" 01[13:55] <kitaman27> nothing against you, but there are only 2-3 people I would trust with my opinions at this point. I'll definitely listen to anything you have to say though 01[13:55] <kitaman27> who do you plan to mason tonight? [13:56] <opz> Quid Pro Quo, Clarice 01[13:58] <kitaman27> Unfortunately I got shot with no counterclaim, was the first person to bring up Macpo and made the strongest case against L. There is more reason for you to trust me than there is for me to trust you 01[13:58] <kitaman27> If you don't have a town read on me, then you're not obligated to share your opinion [13:59] <opz> yea, but I find talking with nothing being said in reverse to be rather boring and unfulfilling 01[13:59] <kitaman27> I think jackal is town 01[13:59] <kitaman27> your turn [14:00] <opz> lmao, I concur with that sentiment. I think Cwave doesn't post. 01[14:01] <kitaman27> We already have evidence that L was refusing to reply to masons, why do you think bum would refuse to talk with you? [14:02] <opz> Good question 01[14:02] <kitaman27> seems like something you might want to question in the thread. 01[14:04] <kitaman27> Earlier you mentioned VE as a person to lynch, have you changed your mind? [14:07] <opz> Actually...VE's been posting good [14:08] <opz> I had to read some shit just not [14:08] <opz> now* [14:08] <opz> he's a lil hectic tho....a more tame BillMurray? 01[14:08] <kitaman27> lol yikes [14:09] <opz> ...Lol...Sheer post count I think supports that, and almost all his posts are his thoughts at that second, and they change rather frequently 01[14:09] <kitaman27> heh true [14:10] <opz> I don't like how he has more then a few posts asking mod questions -_- 01[14:10] <kitaman27> heh I hate when scum ask mods questions they know the answer to as an attempt to gain town cred 01[14:11] <kitaman27> There were 4 shots and no vig claims, which makes it likely that the mafia jack shot last night, unless VE/toad was lying about their hit claims. [14:12] <opz> didn't two vigis die? 01[14:12] <kitaman27> yes, but neither claimed a shot [14:12] <opz> ...i'm confused... [14:12] <opz> why would they claim it before they shot? 01[14:13] <kitaman27> as in at the 10:00 deadline where mafia can't change their actions 01[14:13] <kitaman27> sheth knows enough to do this based on responsibility mafia 01[14:13] <kitaman27> not sure about adam though [14:15] <opz> Ew Kita [14:15] <opz> I hate how that sounded...That sounds like intentionally abusing a system 01[14:15] <kitaman27> lol that has happened in 95% of the games in the last year 01[14:15] <kitaman27> jackal did it with his L shot [14:16] <opz> I never noticed then, but damn...Sorry man, my moral compass points the other way tho [14:17] <opz> which is why I wanted to smack BC when I first masoned him and he wouldn't respond 01[14:17] <kitaman27> heh 01[14:17] <kitaman27> its weird that we haven't seen signs of a mafia roleblocker yet 01[14:17] <kitaman27> I'm having trouble believing they don't have one 01[14:18] <kitaman27> which means they are probably burrying it in their hits [14:18] <opz> um...still...They both might not of known that is what they are "supposed" to do 01[14:19] <kitaman27> sheth posted vigs shouldn't be shooting in the thread on night two and adam never hinted at being suspicious of either 01[14:20] <kitaman27> any particular reason why you masoned bum over L on day two? Didn't you vote L for mayor? [14:21] <opz> Do I have to mason everyone I vote for? [14:21] <opz> -_- 01[14:21] <kitaman27> nope, just curious [14:23] <opz> I'm about to go to work 01[14:23] <kitaman27> mmk have fun 01[14:23] <kitaman27> Nice chatting with you Session Close: Sat Jan 21 14:25:23 2012 As for p4's case against BC, the only reason I wouldn't push a mayoral lynch would be his pms logs with sandro. Back in pypi, the first thing me and sandro did as scum buddies was to create a fake conversation, so it isn't out of the question they could be fake. We spent 40 minutes creating logs that weren't even used in the game. Looking through the logs between sandro and BC, that looks at least 3 hours of conversation that is essentially about nonsense if they are both scum. For this reason, I'm not willing to lynch him before the four above names have flipped. + Show Spoiler + [16:36] <sandroba> hey [16:36] <kitaman27_> sup [16:36] <sandroba> who do you plan on supporting for mayor? [16:36] <sandroba> have you decided yet? [16:37] <kitaman27_> probably mig, but for pardoner, not mayor [16:37] <sandroba> how are you going to acomplish that [16:38] <sandroba> lol [16:38] <sandroba> every person only has one vote [16:38] <sandroba> isn't pardoner the runner up? [16:38] <kitaman27_> heh well syllo told me that mig wants pardoner too [16:38] <kitaman27_> so we can coordinate so he gets second [16:38] <kitaman27_> who do you want? Not jimbo I assume? [16:39] <sandroba> I'm voting mig [16:39] <sandroba> don't care if pardoner or mayor [16:39] <sandroba> I was hoping I could elect both [16:39] <kitaman27_> what about mig makes you want to vote for him? [16:39] <sandroba> well there is plenty of our shit in the thread already [16:39] <sandroba> I'm kinda tired of repeating myself over 2000x times [16:40] <kitaman27_> I saw the reason for syllo. Is it just by association? [16:40] <sandroba> but basically I have my own reasons to trust him [16:40] <sandroba> and yes [16:40] <sandroba> I trust syllo's judgment too [16:40] <sandroba> as I'm positive he is town [16:40] <kitaman27_> Do you think jimbo's analysis against you is scum motivated or is he just wrong? [16:41] <sandroba> man [16:41] <sandroba> I can't wrap around my head [16:41] <sandroba> any townie motivations for posting that shit [16:42] <sandroba> I've argued plenty about it on thread [16:42] <sandroba> I thought my opinion was clear [16:42] <kitaman27_> if you had to suggest 1 person to mig to lynch, would it be jimbo? Or is there somebody else? [16:42] <kitaman27_> *for [16:42] <sandroba> I'm kinda undecided [16:42] <sandroba> but leaning chaoser [16:42] <sandroba> between him and chaoser [16:43] <sandroba> on the off chance jimbo is town and has an awesome role [16:43] <kitaman27_> lol chaoser seems to be a popular name from what I've heard [16:43] <kitaman27_> what about chaoser makes him scummy? [16:43] <sandroba> plenty [16:44] <sandroba> the convos we had in skype [16:44] <sandroba> are pretty damn near impossible to be from a townie perspective [16:44] <kitaman27_> anything in particular? [16:44] <sandroba> first [16:45] <sandroba> let's hear what you think about him [16:45] <kitaman27_> But I asked first [16:45] <sandroba> as I can never tell if you are scum or not [16:45] <kitaman27_> I'm never scum ^_^ [16:45] <sandroba> you sneaky snake [16:45] <sandroba> you asked plenty already [16:45] <sandroba> your turn to answer =P [16:46] <kitaman27_> I've only had one major conversation asking his input about foolishness, where he was extremely careful in the way he responded [16:46] <sandroba> that's weird [16:46] <kitaman27_> overall it just seems like he has been unwilling to accuse anybody of anything yet [16:46] <sandroba> cuz foolishness also thinks he is scum [16:47] <kitaman27_> I haven't seen signs of him actively scum hunting yet [16:47] <kitaman27_> lol don't get me started on my chat with foolishness [16:47] <kitaman27_> strange to say the least [16:47] <kitaman27_> but not sure if its necessarily scum motivated [16:47] <kitaman27_> your turn [16:47] <kitaman27_> why chaoser? [16:48] <sandroba> I was trying to convince him to step down [16:48] <sandroba> as you can see in thread [16:49] <sandroba> and then told him my motives to believe syllo is town [16:49] <sandroba> he trusted it so much [16:49] <sandroba> that he deemed it cheating [16:49] <sandroba> and pm'ed gm about it [16:49] <sandroba> when gm said that was not cheating [16:49] <sandroba> he back pedalled and concluded "you must be lying then" [16:50] <sandroba> I proved to him that running against mig was a bad idea if he was town [16:50] <sandroba> and he acused me of being heavy handed [16:50] <kitaman27_> If he really wanted mayor, I would think he would be campaigning way more heavily [16:50] <sandroba> forcing him to step down [16:50] <sandroba> that screams of fear to me [16:50] <kitaman27_> kinda like radfield [16:50] <sandroba> he later [16:50] <sandroba> agreed to step down lol [16:51] <kitaman27_> hmm [16:51] <sandroba> i have the logs [16:51] <sandroba> but it's like 10 pages long [16:52] <kitaman27_> I'll take a look if you wanna pm them to me [16:52] <sandroba> he is scum though [16:52] <kitaman27_> I've got nothing better to do [16:52] <sandroba> k I guess there is no harm [16:52] <sandroba> even if you are scum [16:52] <sandroba> =P [16:52] <sandroba> do you suspect anyone so far? [16:53] <sandroba> brb that shit is long [16:53] <kitaman27_> k [16:53] <kitaman27_> I've been trying to exchange pms with heist and its been really tough to get anything out of him. [16:53] <sandroba> k sent [16:53] <kitaman27_> ty :D [16:54] <sandroba> lol [16:54] <sandroba> is heist even playing [16:54] <sandroba> man [16:54] <kitaman27_> barely -_- [16:54] <sandroba> too many people are hiding hardcore [16:54] <sandroba> radfield just had to remind me foolishness was playing [16:54] <kitaman27_> lol I think there are a couple people who haven't even posted yet [16:54] <sandroba> so I talked to him the first time today [16:54] <kitaman27_> how did that go? [16:54] <sandroba> despite having in on skype lol [16:55] <sandroba> he basically trolled me [16:55] <sandroba> and gave me nothing [16:55] <kitaman27_> -_- [16:55] <kitaman27_> sounds familiar [16:56] <sandroba> ... [16:56] <sandroba> he claims he wants to "survive night one" [16:56] <sandroba> cool [16:56] <sandroba> to acomplish what is my question [16:56] <sandroba> he is pick 25 [16:56] <kitaman27_> its kinda strange that he wants to survive yet doesn't run for mayor, even though he could win it blindfolded [16:56] <sandroba> if he is townie [16:57] <sandroba> he will have no cred by day2 =/ [16:57] <sandroba> then even if he does a great job [16:57] <kitaman27_> I asked him his reasoning for voting mig and he said it was because mig was the smallest threat to town [16:57] <sandroba> it doesn't matter [16:57] <sandroba> well [16:57] <sandroba> if he is voting mig [16:57] <sandroba> then I don't care right now [16:58] <kitaman27_> lol well you might be outta luck [16:58] <kitaman27_> after jimbo's post, he seemed to have changed his mind [16:58] <sandroba> how come? [16:58] <sandroba> ... [16:58] <kitaman27_> he said "Jimbo was the only one who understood how this game works" [16:58] <kitaman27_> yet didn't really mention anything about you in particular [16:59] <kitaman27_> He did try to suggest kenpachi has a defensive role at 2, so at least that gives him some town points [17:01] <kitaman27_> anyways, I'll bbl [17:01] <kitaman27_> ttyl [17:01] <sandroba> sorry [17:01] <sandroba> I was talking to wbg [17:02] <sandroba> k ttyl then | ||
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Scamp
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
scamp I hardly knew yeh. GGQ is a weird lynch. I thought he was suspicious enough to keep around. Now, our elected officials need to go. It is looking more and more like one or both of them is mafia. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
After macpo flipped you even told people to look into people who tried to safe macpo by proposing to lynch Sandroba because Sandroba clearly was just a distraction and you still pushing GGQ while people were switching to macpo was fine. I don't want to make this sound OMGUS but you need to die. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 22 2012 12:06 Toadesstern wrote: Mr. meapak. didn't you call me scum because I was trying to safe a scumbuddy when proposing to lynch Sandroba d1/d2 and said that the sandroba case is nothing but a poor defence to safe GGQs ass? After macpo flipped you even told people to look into people who tried to safe macpo by proposing to lynch Sandroba because Sandroba clearly was just a distraction and you still pushing GGQ while people were switching to macpo was fine. I don't want to make this sound OMGUS but you need to die. lol this is like the most forced and set up thing I've ever seen If Meapak was scum why the fuck would he shoot GGQ and deprive himself of his only target? It's wifomy but I seriously doubt he would tunnel the same guy for like 72 hours and then turn around and allow his team to shoot the guy. | ||
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p4NDemik
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 22 2012 12:08 wherebugsgo wrote: lol this is like the most forced and set up thing I've ever seen If Meapak was scum why the fuck would he shoot GGQ and deprive himself of his only target? It's wifomy but I seriously doubt he would tunnel the same guy for like 72 hours and then turn around and allow his team to shoot the guy. didn't you say 1 page ago that if GGQ flips green we have to insta-lynch meapak? How did you change your mind so fast? | ||
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