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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
zarepath (2): OmniEulogy, Sylencia TeMiL (1): StriX StriX (1): jampidampi Not voting (5): cDgCorazon, zarepath, Spaghetticus, TeMiL, Mocsta Currently, zarepath is set to be lynched! 12 hours 20 minutes remaining in day 1. Just as a reminder, day 1 deadline will be at 01:00 GMT (+00:00), because of the performed YOLO. | ||
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StriX
Australia42 Posts
Very often when set on something everything your target says seems to confirm your theory - confirmation bias if you will. Careful how you read my responses and try to test both sides and come up with your conclusion. -In his first post he is only agreeing with others and repeating what others already said about the summary plan. I find it ridiculous that one would come to the table disagreeing with an established meta of 5 others. These guys have obviously done work and to not be patient and see where it goes is unscientific and a little overconfident. I bring not much to the table due to being an observer. Not much going on so not much to report or it's an easy observation so I'm just repeating what has been said. Give me some time before I get going. A bare minimun response to the question. Vigourous writing is concise as they say. As mentioned by Mocsta liars often overemphasize. Thus it can be dangerous to conclude longer = more truthful. Accusing someone based on a nolynch policy is an easy thing to do. Easy isn't necessarily bad. I haven't been resting and plan to follow the plan I discussed with cDgCorazon. After that he takes back his suspicions of zarepath stating that Rationalizing no-lynch is nothing by itself. even though most would agree it's a scummy move As explained above it was a ploy. If zarepath really does redeem himself he will see in the votes. Let me explain why my argument for not giving reasons for calling someone good. Tells may very be based on them being a blue role and calling them out and drawing attention is risky. They might very well be flying so well under the radar that the mafia don't realise. Another thing is your reads become useless once posted. Mafia may subtly start acting like your idea VT and calling out someone on their innocent actions may make them conscious of it and hence reinforce it. In the end you have a town which is identical - and ideal environment for the mafia to blend in. Diversification is what I'm campaigning for. | ||
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StriX
Australia42 Posts
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
I'm still reading and writing, but upon reading the vote update I thought it best to give my vote. This vote is a pressure vote but is not to be taken lightly. My vote shall rest on you TeMiL until you give more content than the next lurkiest player. State your scum reads (not your town reads). Make arguments. Put pressure on someone. If you are town do not go survival mode. Do what you think is best for town regardless of what you think will help you survive day one, this is both better for town and better for your survival, whether you realise it or not. This vote is conditional but deadly serious. Contribute. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On January 04 2013 14:54 Mocsta wrote: So we go back to.. zarepath, what is you motivation? If (/When) I go through your filter; Do you think I will find town or scum motivations? Considering you are hawking the thread always, I am keen to hear your thoughts before I progress with this further I see you already read my filter (went to bed right after those posts and just now got up), but since you addressed me directly, I'll still respond -- I'm pretty sure you'll find town motivations.  I am surprised that those who have voted for me (Sylencia, Omni) have done so without an analysis of my filter, especially considering we're early in the game and it should be decidedly easy to do so. I'm wary of tunnel-visioning either of them simply because they've voted for me and I don't want confirmation bias via OMGUS. | ||
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
I have yet to see an action of yours that doesn't fall into the category of arguably scum or town. That is to say every action of yours could have scum or town motives behind them. In my mind you are the scummiest player so the vote stays. | ||
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TeMiL
Peru545 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + (1) So far your post count reads as useless fluff. Why should I not vote for you? am a really newbie in this game, i you check others mafia games you wouldnt find me anywhere. if i get voted maybe i can loose any interest of this game but in the other case i will learn more and be more active. (2) "growing in my role" What does this mean? (I understand English is not your first language) i mean i can learn what to do and be a better player each day. right now am like a little boy in his first class, i want to learn a lot but is difficult to be attached every hour. ill try to change that. answering others post + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 14:24 StriX wrote: 2. Feel like we're going a bit easy on TeMiL and I'd like to vote to lynch him right now. I delayed my vote due to suspecting lurking was due to timezone issues, however, I feel like we've given him long enough to contribute. He is also the only one to not respond to Mocsta's first set of questions. As an idea Mocsta could you may ##Vote TeMil i answer both rounds of questions and ive just finished the third. my 2 post where those questions and i couldnt write more because i went back home, forgot my celphone with internet connection and couldnt write any post until now. well ill hope u can change your mind. On January 04 2013 14:44 OmniEulogy wrote: @StriX if you think that qualifies you as a contributor in any discussion to this point I apologize. How about you update us with your thoughts. Right now in terms of contribution imo from the bottom up its Temil - Strix/Jampi - everybody else. ill change your thoughts about me... can i? On January 04 2013 15:26 cDgCorazon wrote: In all honesty, I think voting TeMiL right now is a pretty useless move. I think a FoS (Finger of Suspicion) towards TeMiL can be more helpful than just voting TeMiL and being done with the analysis. Voting someone that is lurking this early in the game is really just being lazy, and does not help out town at all. . thanks :D actually i didnt lurker at all if u consider lurker a gamer that only entered 3 times. right now am reading everything and with my phone back ill be writing every minute  On January 04 2013 21:12 StriX wrote: TeMiL is currently the undisputedly biggest lurker. until today . like i said i will practicing my english a lot! give an opportunity thats allOn January 04 2013 21:59 StriX wrote: ##unvote TeMiL this was unespected, looks like cDgCorazon makes you change your vote? On January 04 2013 22:05 Spaghetticus wrote: #Vote: TeMiL This vote is conditional but deadly serious. Contribute. ill contribute :D this is all right now. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On January 04 2013 22:10 zarepath wrote: I see you already read my filter (went to bed right after those posts and just now got up), but since you addressed me directly, I'll still respond -- I'm pretty sure you'll find town motivations. I am surprised that those who have voted for me (Sylencia, Omni) have done so without an analysis of my filter, especially considering we're early in the game and it should be decidedly easy to do so. I'm wary of tunnel-visioning either of them simply because they've voted for me and I don't want confirmation bias via OMGUS. Well, regardless of whether I think you are town aligned or scum aligned; I am going to put pressure, or ask for more information. I understand why Spaghetticus was defensive yesterday *at least I think I do*; but, in general that is not the way to respond. You seem to understand that by saying you don't want to be OMGUS. Let me say this.. As a townie, we can all make mistakes. [The unwritten rule is to learn from them] I suggest, if you think Sylencia or OmniEulogy are lynch candidates; build a more defined case that shows you are rational. Try to look at comments from scum/town perspectives, if there is a reason for a motivation to be town linked.. are you sure you want to risk a 50/50 and call SCUM? To me. OMGUS is saying, you voted me.. i know im town so you must be scum.. heres my retort vote. If on the other hand you provide "clear" and "concise" evidence that shows you are being rational, OMGUS does not apply. Lastly, if you do build a case against anyone.. please take Sylencia advice, and try to post at least 4 hrs (preferably 8hrs) before lynch deadline. People should have an opportunity to defend themselves. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On January 04 2013 22:05 Spaghetticus wrote: #Vote: TeMiL I'm still reading and writing, but upon reading the vote update I thought it best to give my vote. This vote is a pressure vote but is not to be taken lightly. My vote shall rest on you TeMiL until you give more content than the next lurkiest player. State your scum reads (not your town reads). Make arguments. Put pressure on someone. If you are town do not go survival mode. Do what you think is best for town regardless of what you think will help you survive day one, this is both better for town and better for your survival, whether you realise it or not. This vote is conditional but deadly serious. Contribute. No such thing as official pressure vote. A vote is the intention to lynch. Treat it that way. (at least publically) + Show Spoiler + For Spag + Show Spoiler + I was debating whether to PM you, or deal with this publically. Game rules say no PM, so unfortunately I am going to discuss this here (albeit briefly). I know the intentions, we have discussed this in great deal before the game started. BUT.. a vote needs to be treated with respect. You allude to that at the end.. but.. contradict yourself at the start, by saying its a pressure vote. Mixed messages don't lead to a clear impression. I suggest you to re-read the Newbie 33 obs qt, specifically Marvellosity. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
Note that I am calling into question the rationale of their votes against me by observing they haven't even gone through my filter thoroughly, not calling for them to be lynched (although I did give a scum read against Sylencia earlier). It is purely a defensive observation. | ||
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TeMiL
Peru545 Posts
On January 04 2013 22:49 zarepath wrote: TeMiL, what do you think about my earlier analysis of Sylencia? u have something agains australians or isjust causality to target him? looks like you now how to analyse a gamer. its a good brief of course and thanks to made me read it again. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
In my mind I do not contradict myself, but I often pick up lingo and have my own understanding of it. My vote is a 'pressure vote' in so far as it is meant to pressure. My vote also represents my very real intention to lynch TeMiL on the condition that TeMiL does not improve his play. If the term 'pressure vote' is categorised mutually exclusive to 'intent to lynch', then I apologise for my misleading communication. My vote is both real and intended to pressure. I think votes that are only meant to apply pressure do not work vs good players, and weaken one's own position as rational/analytic town, and consequently, one's agenda (be that scummy or town). I do not vote without intent to lynch. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On January 04 2013 22:41 TeMiL wrote: + Show Spoiler + answering mocsta questions: + Show Spoiler + (1) So far your post count reads as useless fluff. Why should I not vote for you? am a really newbie in this game, i you check others mafia games you wouldnt find me anywhere. if i get voted maybe i can loose any interest of this game but in the other case i will learn more and be more active. (2) "growing in my role" What does this mean? (I understand English is not your first language) i mean i can learn what to do and be a better player each day. right now am like a little boy in his first class, i want to learn a lot but is difficult to be attached every hour. ill try to change that. answering others post + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 14:24 StriX wrote: 2. Feel like we're going a bit easy on TeMiL and I'd like to vote to lynch him right now. I delayed my vote due to suspecting lurking was due to timezone issues, however, I feel like we've given him long enough to contribute. He is also the only one to not respond to Mocsta's first set of questions. As an idea Mocsta could you may ##Vote TeMil i answer both rounds of questions and ive just finished the third. my 2 post where those questions and i couldnt write more because i went back home, forgot my celphone with internet connection and couldnt write any post until now. well ill hope u can change your mind. On January 04 2013 14:44 OmniEulogy wrote: @StriX if you think that qualifies you as a contributor in any discussion to this point I apologize. How about you update us with your thoughts. Right now in terms of contribution imo from the bottom up its Temil - Strix/Jampi - everybody else. ill change your thoughts about me... can i? On January 04 2013 15:26 cDgCorazon wrote: In all honesty, I think voting TeMiL right now is a pretty useless move. I think a FoS (Finger of Suspicion) towards TeMiL can be more helpful than just voting TeMiL and being done with the analysis. Voting someone that is lurking this early in the game is really just being lazy, and does not help out town at all. . thanks :D actually i didnt lurker at all if u consider lurker a gamer that only entered 3 times. right now am reading everything and with my phone back ill be writing every minute On January 04 2013 21:12 StriX wrote: TeMiL is currently the undisputedly biggest lurker. until today . like i said i will practicing my english a lot! give an opportunity thats allOn January 04 2013 21:59 StriX wrote: ##unvote TeMiL this was unespected, looks like cDgCorazon makes you change your vote? On January 04 2013 22:05 Spaghetticus wrote: #Vote: TeMiL This vote is conditional but deadly serious. Contribute. ill contribute :D this is all right now. OMG... Before I played Newbie 33.. I read through Newbie 32... there was this guy.. AxelGreaser... you have just given me back nightmares of him.. Luckily Yamato isnt playing, he would probably delete his team liquid account. In all seriousness, you have made my life easier today. I was about to start reading through filters, consolidating my thought process, to make a case as promised to cDgCorazon and Sylencia. But... your post, has made me throw that out the window ##Vote: TeMiL (1) You have had the lowest post contribution in 30hrs of play. No excuses (2) All your posts are fluff, and then your riposte to accusations of fluff, is simply fluffx2 with a
Town, I am voting TeMiL, because, his actions have proven to be useless and unreliable. (Yes, I use proven to a person with a 1 page filter, that is how strongly I feel) I ask you this... if we were down to 3 candidates, YOU (Town), X (Scum) and TeMiL... can you trust TeMiL to vote for X? I already know from his last post, the answer is no, I cant rely on his innocence as town, I can't rely on his skill to scum hunt, and I certainly can not rely on his ability to establish a vote. but... lets take a look at the flip side and counter my argument. (1) Do we care if we can rely on him, we are not down to 3 candidates? (2) Do you not have a better scum read you can target (instead of lurker bait), as you advocate others to do? Well.. (1) Agreed, but there has been no stand out lynch candidate thus far. Thus, for Day1 it is highly likely TeMiL might be the hammer vote to send someone home... someone who could be Town.. Are you confident enough on YOUR scum read to risk this happening? (2) Agreed, I had a better scum read prior to TeMiL posting, I was just about to read the filter. BUT, the risks to me from (1) are too extreme. We have limited players, 7 townies, every player counts. If TeMiL hammered a townie home, and then a townie is dropped off from Night Kill, Day 2 starts with 2 mafia and 5 townies; which is going to signficantly reduce town odds. I am looking at the big picture here, and lynching a ?possible town? TeMiL to me is less risk long term than lynching my scum read, who may also be a town flip. Are you confident enough on YOUR scum read to risk this happening? P.S. Just refreshed to see if anything new before posted, and saw this beauty. Case in Point. or as I have always wanted to say since doing Trigonometry in high school. Q.E.D + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 23:14 TeMiL wrote: u have something agains australians or isjust causality to target him? looks like you now how to analyse a gamer. its a good brief of course and thanks to made me read it again. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On January 04 2013 23:20 Spaghetticus wrote: I do not vote without intent to lynch. Good we on the same page. I think this is Off-Topic enough it can be handled in PM. i.e. if you want to continue this theroy-crafting, PM me. (and while your at it, let me know what you thought of the compendium, was it a waste of time? Took me forever to do that on a whim) | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + @Zare Your recent call for attention speaks of a confidence of action that suggests you consider yourself transparent town. This is good, but (and I haven't read your filter) my impression is that you have not contributed enough to be considered transparent. With the pressure of votes on you, I appreciate that you are keeping the town's best interest in mind when you don't spill your guts in an OMGUS defense (others take note). It is hard to maintain composure when your scum-reads come after you, I know this all too well. If you argue against your accusers in an objective interpretation of the game, I will listen and not call you on OMGUS. Realise, however, that the onus is on you to step up and be super analytical. If you try anything less than rational you will likely be torn to shreds (a prediction, not a threat). I may be reading too far into this, as I got lynched under similar circumstances last game, but I feel that your position will be the catalyst for the outcome of day one. I will likely not be voting for you day one, but your responses could potentially be the launchpad for a day two campaign. I will continue to LAL, which, considering the pressure you are under, will likely not include you. | ||
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TeMiL
Peru545 Posts
On January 04 2013 23:21 Mocsta wrote: Q.E.D + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 23:14 TeMiL wrote: u have something agains australians or isjust causality to target him? looks like you now how to analyse a gamer. its a good brief of course and thanks to made me read it again. he asked about the analysis, not about what i think about Sylencia. well i need to learn more about this game. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
If you stick around after we're both out, I would like to talk to you also. //fluff | ||
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