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On January 29 2012 04:50 SacredSystem wrote:
i agree with doyouhas
i feel like to divert attention way from himself zarepath began attacking me, using logic that doesnt lead to the conclusion that i am mafia, further more he only did so after adam made if convenient for him to do so
but doyouhas how do you feel about zarepath's attacks on me?
i am of the opinion that zarepath is creating a giant smokescreen just as he done on day 1
Are you confusing me with zarepath or something? I am the one that attacked you, not him.
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Argh need to go sleep now, its 4am here. Will read through the new case on zarepath and take a closer look at his filter tomorrow.
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On January 29 2012 04:50 SacredSystem wrote:
i agree with doyouhas
i feel like to divert attention way from himself zarepath began attacking me, using logic that doesnt lead to the conclusion that i am mafia, further more he only did so after adam made if convenient for him to do so
but doyouhas how do you feel about zarepath's attacks on me?
i am of the opinion that zarepath is creating a giant smokescreen just as he done on day 1
I think that zarepath's attacks on you are convenient because of previous posts made already establishing you as suspicious. His reason given for voting you is not a bad one, but at the same time it is another WIFOM argument based on a hunch. I find two things strange about it. The first is that he had sources posted before him that have more solid grounds for suspecting you that he did not refer to. And the second is that he is voting for you when the 1 of the 2 strongest cases against you is coming from zelblade, a person whom he thinks we should be circling the wagons against day2, and this does not give him pause.
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On January 29 2012 05:07 zelblade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 04:50 SacredSystem wrote:
i agree with doyouhas
i feel like to divert attention way from himself zarepath began attacking me, using logic that doesnt lead to the conclusion that i am mafia, further more he only did so after adam made if convenient for him to do so
but doyouhas how do you feel about zarepath's attacks on me?
i am of the opinion that zarepath is creating a giant smokescreen just as he done on day 1 Are you confusing me with zarepath or something? I am the one that attacked you, not him.
yes i did confuse you two, sorry
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I'm going to be away for about 6-8 hours starting in about 1 hour.
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Stuff took longer then expected, will go to sleep now. Expect contribution more on my usual level tommorow when i am awake and sober.
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Posting soon (within 15mins.)
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Sorry about this, took longer to grab all the info.
First, I am almost certain that there are multiple mafia posting against each other. Compare day 1 and day 2 posts.
We have 1 lynch. Remember that guys. A terrible thing would be using all our attention and focus on trying to find all the mafia rather than killing the mafia we have already found.
On January 28 2012 17:35 Simberto wrote:
Just one thing i wanted to say: DoYouHas claiming having been shot at does not make him 100% town, even without a counterclaim. It could be a mafia ploy to get someone 100% trusted by not shooting at all. I don't think that this is what happened (it sounds pretty far-fetched), but one should still keep the possibility at the back of ones head.
Anyway, will be gone for some hours, but when i am back i will take a look at the new stuff that happened more closely, and hopefully also at DoYouHases analysis of Zarepath, which i am really interested in as he is still the next best thing to a confirmed townie we have at the moment.
I suggest throwing that possibility out since DoYouHas never had any suspicion on him and it makes no sense for mafia to waste a shot to enforce that. But to my main point:
So check this out. DoYouHas claimed to be hit last night. Ok. So why would mafia shoot him? Why not me or Simberto, the people who most people had a town read on?
Here's an observation of day 1, with a focus on slOosh(me), DoYouHas and Zarepath. I will ignore other stuff.
(No need to open the links, just references if you need reminding)
- I push for Zarepath Lynch
- Zarepath defends himself
- I continue the push, as I am still suspicious
- Zarepath defends himself again
- I back off to pressure lurkers
Now look at DoYouHas. Look at the voting thread and see where his vote lies. It is on Zarepath along with me and FakePromise and CosmoXAM.
He still holds a suspicion against Zarepath before the day lynch, whereas I do not (at least openly).
On January 28 2012 16:23 DoYouHas wrote:
First, I went after zelblade (after sl0osh did). I have not changed my stance on him, his first posts were scummy and his absence did not help. However he has promised to be much more active today so I am at least willing to see his new posts before condemning him.
Conclusion:
Mafia target the only one still suspicious of Zarepath.
They have so much to gain from it that it makes sense that they would shoot him, and not me or Simberto.
With all the attention on us two, it is more probable that any medic attention (if it existed) would not be on him.
By killing him there is no one left to suspect Zarepath, who has established himself as an active person in the least, and I suspect the general notion of him being town will pervade our minds.
No one has counterclaimed. DoYouHas was shot. With great analysis (which he probably started before the day ended) he attacks Zarepath. The night action makes sense.
This is enough for me. A second party look at the situation helps me see much more clearer how suspicious Zarepath is, and there is great harmony with this and the night action.
##Vote Zarepath
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There are 12 of 13 people left and 4 of 4 mafia left.
That means there are 8 of us.
5. This game follows Extended Majority Lynch Rules. Majority = number of total voters/2 (rounded down) + 1. Unlike in traditional majority lynch, the lynch is NOT decided the moment that majority is reached. Instead, only the final vote count matters. If there is no majority at the deadline, the day ends with a no-lynch. Non-voters will be modkilled for failure to vote
We need 7 to lynch. We must not be divided. We need to unite and lynch. Right now those on Sacred, please consider the analysis by DoYouHas and me, and move your votes to Zarepath.
I'm also very suspicious on Sacred, but like I said we only have 1 lynch to make.
If they are both mafia, then Zarepath is a better lynch as he has more presence and credibility (relative to Sacred).
So unless you think Zarepath isn't mafia, people move your votes.
Worst thing to have is a no-lynch as the lynch is the primary means of killing mafia. We don't have 4 vigi shots. If we want to win we need to use lynches to kill mafia.
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SlOosh, you are not being objective in your analysis. You start with your conclusion, that zarepath is scum and then work the details in around it to make it all fit. You even state you’re doing it here:
On January 29 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:
Here's an observation of day 1, with a focus on slOosh(me), DoYouHas and Zarepath. I will ignore other stuff.
Analysing night actions is an exercise in WIFOM. The only thing that can be taken from them is that they attempted to shoot at someone who was probably town. In this scenario we don’t even know for sure that that is the case, as no one died.
I sincerely doubt both SacredSystem and zarepath are mafia. I find SacredSystem almost surely to be mafia, whereas I see things in zarepaths filter that I wouldn't expect from a scum player. I feel we should lynch the guy who has been evasive, non-contributal and overly defensive (ie SacredSystem).
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On January 29 2012 08:57 Adam4167 wrote:SlOosh, you are not being objective in your analysis. You start with your conclusion, that zarepath is scum and then work the details in around it to make it all fit. You even state you’re doing it here: Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:
Here's an observation of day 1, with a focus on slOosh(me), DoYouHas and Zarepath. I will ignore other stuff.
Analysing night actions is an exercise in WIFOM. The only thing that can be taken from them is that they attempted to shoot at someone who was probably town. In this scenario we don’t even know for sure that that is the case, as no one died. I sincerely doubt both SacredSystem and zarepath are mafia. I find SacredSystem almost surely to be mafia, whereas I see things in zarepaths filter that I wouldn't expect from a scum player. I feel we should lynch the guy who has been evasive, non-contributal and overly defensive (ie SacredSystem).
you keep saying that im non-contributal even though you know thats not true
and all ive been able to do these last few days is defend my self from nonsense accusations like yours, also how have i been evasive in any way. i have respond to everything you have had to say
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On January 28 2012 14:10 Adam4167 wrote:
You advocated patience then did a complete 180 later when nothing changed in between.
Everything you just asked I went through in my case or the follow up post on this page, go read that, I'm not repeating it again.
If Chocolate is suspicious for being on the back of the bandwagon, why isn't Simberto? why isnt balt11t?
If you claim to not know if mafia knew each other or not, why were you claiming zarepath was suspicious for defending FakePromise? More inconsistencies
On January 28 2012 14:42 Adam4167 wrote:
You weren't sure if mafia knew who each other were, so how could you use one player defending another as evidence that both of them are scum?
Your evasiveness is obvious. But indulge me, who are the 4 mafia in this game?
Underlined for your convenience, since they were apparently missed the first time.
Your ‘contributions’ consist of 1 liners and jumping on whoever has votes on them already.
Your defences to me have amounted to you saying ‘you have no case’ over and over, even when I’m presenting one. You’ve had close to 96 hours since the game started to actually go scum-hunt and find someone who you consider to be scum. Instead you seem content to just sit around, and attack anyone who mentions you in their posts and stalling on giving up any substantial reads.
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On January 29 2012 09:41 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 14:10 Adam4167 wrote:
You advocated patience then did a complete 180 later when nothing changed in between.
Everything you just asked I went through in my case or the follow up post on this page, go read that, I'm not repeating it again.
If Chocolate is suspicious for being on the back of the bandwagon, why isn't Simberto? why isnt balt11t?
If you claim to not know if mafia knew each other or not, why were you claiming zarepath was suspicious for defending FakePromise? More inconsistencies Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 14:42 Adam4167 wrote:
You weren't sure if mafia knew who each other were, so how could you use one player defending another as evidence that both of them are scum?
Your evasiveness is obvious. But indulge me, who are the 4 mafia in this game? Underlined for your convenience, since they were apparently missed the first time. Your ‘contributions’ consist of 1 liners and jumping on whoever has votes on them already. Your defences to me have amounted to you saying ‘you have no case’ over and over, even when I’m presenting one. You’ve had close to 96 hours since the game started to actually go scum-hunt and find someone who you consider to be scum. Instead you seem content to just sit around, and attack anyone who mentions you in their posts and stalling on giving up any substantial reads.
If Chocolate is suspicious for being on the back of the bandwagon, why isn't Simberto? why isnt balt11t?
theres more to suspicion then just a vote, 7 people voted for fakepromise, obviously not all of them could be mafia
do dont have a case, you have never had a case, i have submited who i think is mafia which you ignored in your statement that i only have posted one liners, yet you use my suspicion of chocolate to brand me mafia,
you are heavily contradicting yourself, and it doesn't help your case that i am in fact not mafia
i havent shown any ties to any players, i havent lurked, and i have analysed and further more i have drawn similar analysis as other players which you havent labeled as being mafia
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This was the post I asked the question about:
You were the one who brought up the days vote count as evidence of why chocolate is scummy. I asked you to clarify why specifically chocolate was scummy above others around him for being on that vote and you reply with:
’theres more to suspicion then just a vote, 7 people voted for fakepromise, obviously not all of them could be mafia’
So… you didn’t answer my question at all.
I am not contradicting myself anywhere. If you are not mafia… prove it. You seem to suspect chocolate… so go through his entire filter and highlight everything that is scummy – that is scum motivated.
Your last line is just pointless fluff, honestly. You think doing the same analysis as someone else and coming to the same answer proves your town? On the contrary, heavily implies that you are not.
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i was originally suspicious of chocolate for simply abandoning his chase on cosmos and then using my logic to jump on fakepromise when several people were already onboard to lynch him
however in light of recent events there seem to be a lot of odd posts and ideas that are floating around that have reduced my interest on chocolate
i am busy reading into the incentives and motives that other players have made and ill be posting my thoughts in a moment
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On January 29 2012 10:44 SacredSystem wrote:
i was originally suspicious of chocolate for simply abandoning his chase on cosmos and then using my logic to jump on fakepromise when several people were already onboard to lynch him
however in light of recent events there seem to be a lot of odd posts and ideas that are floating around that have reduced my interest on chocolate
i am busy reading into the incentives and motives that other players have made and ill be posting my thoughts in a moment
I was putting pressure on cosmos just to get him to post and get a good feel for how he responds under pressure. I wasn't trying to really convince everyone that he was mafia and worthy of a lynch. It was a little bit the same when I said I though you were mafia; I wanted to put you under pressure and see your reaction, but this time there was actually content to work off of. This isn't to say that I'm no longer suspicious of you, of course.
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-zarepath
randomly lynching is a bad idea for the townes perspective yet you suggested it which doesnt make you look like a townesmen.
However you then decided to defend Fakepromise, if you are mafia you would have known that FP was town, and it would have been very convenient for you to want to kill him as well.
but then lets list all the people that you felt are mafia
zelblade
FakePromise
CosmosXAM
----> this is a very interesting post which you would later contradict
+ Show Spoiler +On January 26 2012 04:41 zarepath wrote:
EBWOP: My suspicions are also on FakePromise for the super quick agreement with specious reasoning, on zenblade for being rather jumpy and apologetic in the spotlight, and CosmosXAM's lack of activity (despite essentially declaring he would be super active at the beginning).
I'm not as concerned about balt and SacredSystem... I think the way they framed their accusations was more out of noobishness than it was a sign of confederacy. I'd like to hear what they both think about Fake, zen, and Cosmos.
Bromancipate
SacredSystem
-zelblade
zelblade for the first day or so did nothing but apologize for being a noob, and then decides to hope on the fakepromise vote.
he then goes on to accuse me for analyzing chocolate and for pushing fakepromise so hard
Oh look a fakepromise attack from zelblade
+ Show Spoiler +On January 26 2012 18:02 zelblade wrote:At this point, fakepromise seems to be the most suspisious to me, not only for him advocating the random lynch but also for his responses to the pressure, and also how he has suddenly gone mia, without giving a proper response as to why he supported the random lynch, and his random accusation of sacredsystem eagerly wanting him to die doesnt really help. Show nested quote +I'm kinda confused on why SacredSystem is so eager for me to die, just because I happened to be reading this forum right after zelblade posted. Also @ fakepromise i am not really sure what you mean by this part.... I really dont understand the bolded part, what did u mean by that? He certainly isnt accusing you because you happened to be reading after i posted.... as that doesnt make sense.
oh look another
+ Show Spoiler +On January 26 2012 18:08 zelblade wrote:
As for my own vote, i am still waiting for fakepromise's proper response. If it doesnt come, my vote will probably go to him.
.........hey look i found one more
+ Show Spoiler +On January 27 2012 00:19 zelblade wrote:
Since I have to go to sleep soon (in about half and hour) and fakepromise still hasnt posted any sort of defence yet, I will be voting for him for now. Will wake up to check the thread in probably about 7-8 hours or so when i wake up, though i probably can only skim through the thread as i have to rush to school than, but definately can change my vote if need be.
##vote FakePromise
however this seems to be a very overlooked post by zelblade, now the reason why i asked my question was because the last game of mafia i played was a live game, and the mafia did not know who was mafia till night, however i had assumed(bad thing to do) that in this game the mafia were aware of each other from the start, then once day time had ended and fakepromise was town, i became confused as to why zerpath decided to claim that FP was not mafia, this then made me really confused as to whether or not the mafia knew about each other from the start or not, which is why i ended up asking for clarification.
On January 28 2012 15:45 zelblade wrote:
Does the mafia know the exact set-up? (What roles exsist, role-counts etc.)
if he were mafia wouldnt he know?
as of now i am really tempted to lean in favor of zelblade just being a noob like he claims to be
Now the two most prominent suspects for mafia at the moment at Zerpath, who is the most prominent, and myself. Yet interestingly enough he is attacking me
now we both cant be mafia, if we were we wouldnt accuse each other
that leaves us with 3 choices, we both are town, i am mafia, zerpath is mafia
now my conclusion will heavily revolve around this post by zarepath
On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation.
why would a townesmen need to sink to that level to prove his innocence. Also if he were in fact a townie using the detectives powers on him would be a waste, the opportunity cost of displaying his innocence is huge
therefore i will set aside all my other suspicions are claim that zarepath is very likely mafia
he has shown a disturbing lack of town incentives, ie random lynch, not going after fakepromise, and his claim for self investigation
i look forward to how he defends against DoYouHas', sl0osh's, and my claim
##vote: zarepath
i just wrote a lot i hope i didnt make any mistakes, like confuse zelbalde and zerpath
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Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 15:45 zelblade wrote:
Does the mafia know the exact set-up? (What roles exsist, role-counts etc.) if he were mafia wouldnt he know? as of now i am really tempted to lean in favor of zelblade just being a noob like he claims to be
If he were mafia of course he would know. That's why people are so suspicious of his post, because they see it as a move to try to seem like he's not mafia.
Now the two most prominent suspects for mafia at the moment at Zerpath, who is the most prominent, and myself. Yet interestingly enough he is attacking me
now we both cant be mafia, if we were we wouldnt accuse each other
that leaves us with 3 choices, we both are town, i am mafia, zerpath is mafia
You actually could both be mafia. It is not unheard of for two mafia to go after each other so that once one dies the town "confirms" the other. This is known as bussing, and you can't overlook this as a possibility.
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I don't have a lot of time tonight (or much of tomorrow) to address everything individually, but one of the biggest scum reads people are making on me is my plea to be DT'd.
It's wrong to say that a townie would never request to be investigated. The only mislynch I could be 100% sure of is a lynch against myself. If I'm about to be voted off, of course I request that someone just wait and confirm I'm mafia before lynching me. I even noted that it would be a waste of an investigation, except that nobody seemed to believe me otherwise. It's a tool that could establish my innocence and save the town from a mislynch; it can also ascertain a mafia player, but as the guy up for vote, I'm going to selfishly suggest the one that keeps me in the game.
People are also WIFOMing that that request somehow suggests that I'm a Godfather, trying to set up a wasted investigation. Let me respond with a WIFOM of my own: in a game with 9 and 4, I don't know how likely it is that mafia get a Godfather.
Oh, and also this: no, I'm not a godfather, and not mafia, either.
I'll do a better case-by-case response tomorrow afternoon/evening -- I am actually busier on weekends than during weekdays. Meanwhile I suggest an interrogation of anyone who hasn't contributed post-Night-1, like sloosh did last night. This is another opportunity for people to fly below the radar, and considering the rest of my defense isn't coming until tomorrow evening, it'll give us another data-font.
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On January 29 2012 12:36 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 15:45 zelblade wrote:
Does the mafia know the exact set-up? (What roles exsist, role-counts etc.) if he were mafia wouldnt he know? as of now i am really tempted to lean in favor of zelblade just being a noob like he claims to be If he were mafia of course he would know. That's why people are so suspicious of his post, because they see it as a move to try to seem like he's not mafia. Show nested quote +Now the two most prominent suspects for mafia at the moment at Zerpath, who is the most prominent, and myself. Yet interestingly enough he is attacking me
now we both cant be mafia, if we were we wouldnt accuse each other
that leaves us with 3 choices, we both are town, i am mafia, zerpath is mafia
You actually could both be mafia. It is not unheard of for two mafia to go after each other so that once one dies the town "confirms" the other. This is known as bussing, and you can't overlook this as a possibility.
How is this suspicious? I was just asking a question regarding the information mafia have. Sure, I could be mafia asking to look town. Or i could easily be a townie asking the host a question. I really dont see how u can see anything suspicious in that one question.
As for the lynch today, I have read through the cases on zarepath and i certainly see how he could be the mafia godfather, and DoYouHas makes some good points on how he jumps onto the SS bandwagon which I (whum he suspects to be mafia) am pushing. Honestly I will still prefer to lynch SacredSystem due to how much he is dodging questions. Either way, I wouldnt mind lynching either as I believe both could be mafia.
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