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CosmosXAM
Profile Joined April 2011
United States121 Posts
January 30 2012 03:03 GMT
#361
Woot one for the town!
Laugh, and the world laughs with you; Cry, and you cry alone.
CosmosXAM
Profile Joined April 2011
United States121 Posts
January 30 2012 03:12 GMT
#362
But on a more serious matter I think we really have to take a hard look at who was supporting and against zarepath's lynch, even so far back as day 1. We're doing better but we have a long way to go.
Laugh, and the world laughs with you; Cry, and you cry alone.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
January 30 2012 03:33 GMT
#363
On January 30 2012 11:34 balt11t wrote:
After reading the posts that have occurred over the past 24 hours, and seeing that it seems zarepath is already dead, I too will be voting for zarepeth this day.

##Vote: zarepath

Posted from my Android device, internet being wonky, will return at 10 EST. (Please note, MidnightGladius, that I had to add one more disgusting post to my filter, but this is not an apology. I wanted to establish this BEFORE you go off on another tangent about something completely unrelated to the game.)


You've got to be kidding me.

In one post, you have managed to:

1) Barely avoid getting yourself modkilled. Congratulations on fulfilling the minimum number of posts, and getting your vote in half an hour before the deadline. As I checked the voting thread, I noticed that dreamflower didn't even count your vote properly: instead, he has zarepath voting for himself :D

2) Jump onto the zarepath bandwagon with the least amount of content or reasoning of any player.

3) Go another day cycle without providing any reads or analysis at all.

4) Blather without addressing, and even implicitly reinforcing, my previous suspicions.

5) Annoy me.

And that will be the last of your scum plays this game. Good night!

##Shoot: balt11t
Trust in Bayes.
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
January 30 2012 03:34 GMT
#364
Success! We now have a firm piece of ground to from which to reason. Just as CosmosXAM has said, I am going to be looking hard at what happened directly after sl0osh posted his case and I posted my case.
Guts? Determination? $5?
CosmosXAM
Profile Joined April 2011
United States121 Posts
January 30 2012 03:38 GMT
#365
On January 30 2012 12:34 DoYouHas wrote:
Success! We now have a firm piece of ground to from which to reason. Just as CosmosXAM has said, I am going to be looking hard at what happened directly after sl0osh posted his case and I posted my case.

Hey hey hey man, don't forget me posting my case against him just before slOosh
And yea going to bed now, and I have school all day tomorrow so I wont be back until 5 pm CST. Hopefully I will have enough time to read all that happens before Day 3 starts.
Laugh, and the world laughs with you; Cry, and you cry alone.
dreamflower
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States312 Posts
January 30 2012 03:40 GMT
#366
On January 30 2012 12:33 MidnightGladius wrote:As I checked the voting thread, I noticed that dreamflower didn't even count your vote properly: instead, he has zarepath voting for himself :D


Argh. I apparently cannot be trusted to count votes properly where zarepath is involved, as I've already messed up with a previous vote count between zarepath/zelblade. The vote list has been fixed so that zarepath is not voting twice and voting for himself to get lynched. Thanks for pointing this out.
"When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers." -Oscar Wilde
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-30 03:41:29
January 30 2012 03:40 GMT
#367
On January 30 2012 12:33 MidnightGladius wrote:
1) Barely avoid getting yourself modkilled. Congratulations on fulfilling the minimum number of posts, and getting your vote in half an hour before the deadline. As I checked the voting thread, I noticed that dreamflower didn't even count your vote properly: instead, he has zarepath voting for himself :D

Dreamflower is a she, yo! And the voting discrepancy has been fixed, thanks for pointing it out.

As a standing policy, if anyone sees a mistake in a vote count, please let dreamflower or myself know.

Bah, she beat me to posting because I took the time to bold/blue!
Uff Da
Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
January 30 2012 03:59 GMT
#368
On January 30 2012 12:40 Qatol wrote:


Dreamflower is a she, yo! And the voting discrepancy has been fixed, thanks for pointing it out.

[/QUOTE]

if it makes you feel any better i knew dreamflower was a girl
but thats only cus i met her irl with Qatol at a lan

and im glad im not the only one who mixed up zelblade and zarepath
What do you mean you heard me during the night, these are quiet pants!
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 30 2012 04:01 GMT
#369
Yes. Midnight is apparently claiming vigi and shooting balt11t which is awesome and I think no one has a problem with that.

Next up we should take out zelblade.
Only reason why he isn't dead yet is because we focused and killed zarepath.

I don't even have to post analysis or anything as it's been done well enough before, just pushed aside b/c zarepath lynch.
slOosh post (day 1)
DoYouHas post (day 1)
Bromancipate post (day 2)

On January 28 2012 17:24 zelblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 16:42 SacredSystem wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 28 2012 15:40 zelblade wrote:
I believe that SacredSystem seems scummy.

+ Show Spoiler +
if zarepath was mafia he would have know that fakepromise was town
and it would have been very easy for him to justify killing of FP, so then why not kill him?

however i am most suspicious of zelblade,
he has spent the vast majority of the time apologizing for his noobiness and hasnt giving a good justification as to why he isnt mafia


also what does this even mean?????
I think sacredsystem is mafia, or at least appears to be the most mafia right now. Definitely suspicious. The most suspicious part is that his posts are confusing- if anyone calls him out on them for a scumslip he could try to explain it away by interpreting his posts. Then again, he may just be trying to be concise with his posts, and they do generally have a good message. I'm just not sure about him.



also in the rest of your post you accuse 3 ppl without actually being conclusive about anything,
ie oh hes mafia because i am suspicious
you entire post seems as though it has been set up to mislead people
and you keep attacking me for being confusing, yet my posts havnt been confusing at all
you havent contributed to any investigations
you jumped on the fakepromise vote
and you accuse me based off of nothing

so now tell me
why would you not be mafia?


He starts off this post by stating that he is "most suspisous" of me.

Then, he goes on to quote Chocolate, before accusing him out of nowhere, simply because Chocolate called him out for his unclear posts, and called him suspisious. This seems really wierd to me to jump out like that and call someone scum because you were attacked. He also blames him for jumping onto the fakepromise vote, when he himself, as adam has pointed out, jumped on it too.

Furthermore, his next post just a couple of minutes later says this :

+ Show Spoiler +

that was all directed at chocolate

and since zelblade has been suspicious of chocolate this whole time
maybe he all of his apologies are just the result of him being a noob


Firstly, when have i been suspisious of chocolate at all? The only person i have stated that i am suspisious off is fakepromise, simply because before i had to go he was the only one who seemed suspisious to me. This statement doesnt make sense at all and I dont even know what it means.

Next, this is a clear contradiction. Just because a new targert has jumped up, he instantly forgets about his suspisions about me and states that I might just be a noob. Going from "most suspicious" to "maybe just noob" in a couple of minutes seems really wierd to me, especially with nothing in between these minutes except that he has found a new targert to attack.

Looking through the rest of his filter, we see him advocating not jumping to counclusions, while he himself does it and jumps onto fakepromise for the 30% slip.

Throughout the rest of his earlier posts, most of them are spent attacking fakepromise, and look at this;

Show nested quote +

On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation.


you are bluffing

how are we going to pressure lurkers if we arnt here? So stop trying to mislead the investigation, and throw us all on. wild goose chase imterogating players who arnt here


He attacks zarepath for wanting to pressure the many lurkers at this point. I dont see how wanting to pressure lurkers is anti-town at all, yet SS simply jumps onto him, claiming that he is trying to mislead the investigation, being on a wild goose chase. Lurkers are bad for town, and they need to post. zarepath is trying to get them to post, yet SS seems to defend these lurkers by shooting down zarepath's post, allowing lurkers to lurk more, eventually adding more confusion for town.

Overall, I believe that SacredSystem seems to be quite scummy at this point, and he is definately my strongest scum read, with him pushing fakepromise so hard, yet blaming people and calling them scummy for jumping onto a wagon that he is on - in fact, one that he strongly pushes for. His sudden out of the blue attack onto chocolate for "labeling me(SS) as mafia" definately throws on more suspision onto him.

##vote: SacredSystem



zarepath never contributed any analysis
and he constantly wanted to mislead the any analysis that was being discussed

you seem to use the term bandwagon quite loosely
i created the wagon to lynch fakepromise
and why wouldnt i?
this is like the 3rd post where i have asked you to explain why a townsmen wouldnt be suspicious of him, and none of you have yet to do so

i never supported lurkers, i attacked the guy who avoided real analysis

but speaking of bandwagon this appears to be the second one you have jumped on.
first you used my logic to vote on fakepromise, and then condemn me for doing so
and then you jump on me
you have done nothing to prove that would be mafia, which im not
yet claim that i am right after adam laid the ground work for you




You claim that zarepath never contributed any analysis. But what sort of analysis have YOU provided?

Looking through your filter, all your attacks are flimsy.


Then you got this business where he attacks SS with that slight defense of Zarepath.

We get him next lynch OKOK?


On a more serious note I think we as town should now focus on who the fourth mafia could be. We have this night, the next day (lynch zelblade) , the next night and the day after to lynch the final mafia (incorporating Midnight's vigi shot). That is a nice 6 days but doesn't hurt to start now eh?
balt11t
Profile Joined January 2012
United States15 Posts
January 30 2012 04:02 GMT
#370
On January 30 2012 12:33 MidnightGladius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 11:34 balt11t wrote:
After reading the posts that have occurred over the past 24 hours, and seeing that it seems zarepath is already dead, I too will be voting for zarepeth this day.

##Vote: zarepath

Posted from my Android device, internet being wonky, will return at 10 EST. (Please note, MidnightGladius, that I had to add one more disgusting post to my filter, but this is not an apology. I wanted to establish this BEFORE you go off on another tangent about something completely unrelated to the game.)


You've got to be kidding me.

In one post, you have managed to:

1) Barely avoid getting yourself modkilled. Congratulations on fulfilling the minimum number of posts, and getting your vote in half an hour before the deadline. As I checked the voting thread, I noticed that dreamflower didn't even count your vote properly: instead, he has zarepath voting for himself :D

2) Jump onto the zarepath bandwagon with the least amount of content or reasoning of any player.

3) Go another day cycle without providing any reads or analysis at all.

4) Blather without addressing, and even implicitly reinforcing, my previous suspicions.

5) Annoy me.

And that will be the last of your scum plays this game. Good night!

##Shoot: balt11t


Since everyone here seems to hate the concept of an apology, I think it seems completely unproductive to try and convince you that my ability to post the last two days has been completely beyond my control. It may seem hard to believe, but not everyone has a completely stable internet connection. I have been calling my ISP everyday for the last several months to get my issues fixed, to no avail. When I have an internet connection, speeds are typically as low as .2 Mb/s, or as high as .5Mb/s, and that's when I can connect.. Now while it's clear you don't particularly care about why I have been unable to play this game to the fullest of my abilities, let it be known that my ISP was giving me issues in my connections.

Secondly, I don't know if you know this or not (but in your seemingly infinite wisdom, I should think you would), but it happens to be extremely difficult to post from a cellular phone, which I have been doing since towards the beginning of the game, which DOES answer your question:
Considering that he has "been able to watch the game develop, just not post," why are the few posts that he makes so empty of content?
.

I wouldn't necessarily call my previous post blathering either, I was simply trying to explain my odd position.

I would address your other points (specifically #5), however I fear that I may quickly become aggravated and rash, which I want to avoid at any cost.

Anyhow, I suppose technically, none of us will know the validity of your 'shooting' until the night ends; as far as I am concerned you may even be bluffing.

Finally, while it may or may not matter, my internet is back up as of 10:21, which was a little late, alas, I have it back nonetheless.


zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 30 2012 04:12 GMT
#371
Nice lynch :D

Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.

As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
January 30 2012 04:31 GMT
#372
Well now I look like a complete tool, thanks for that zarepath.

I approve of that vig shot. I wouldn't have announced it in thread though, as they may have been hiding their role-blocker, as in the last newbie game.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 30 2012 04:35 GMT
#373
Ehh....
On January 29 2012 05:07 zelblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 04:50 SacredSystem wrote:
i agree with doyouhas
i feel like to divert attention way from himself zarepath began attacking me, using logic that doesnt lead to the conclusion that i am mafia, further more he only did so after adam made if convenient for him to do so

but doyouhas how do you feel about zarepath's attacks on me?
i am of the opinion that zarepath is creating a giant smokescreen just as he done on day 1

Are you confusing me with zarepath or something? I am the one that attacked you, not him.

Establishing that Zarepath did not attack SS.

On January 30 2012 07:59 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 07:18 Adam4167 wrote:
Well, as it stands, zarepath now has 8 votes on him.

This can only mean one thing. There are mafia voting for him.

Since I know I'm town, at least one of the mafia team (if not more) are on this vote.

There's always the possibility that his team has abandoned him, but I am really doubting it at this point. There's been almost no opposition to this lynch other then myself, and no other real case has appeared on day 2 other then mine on SacredSystem. Lynches that go too easy are almost universally mislynches.

I concede that no other lynch is going through considering we are ~5 hours to crunch-time and everyone seems pretty sold on this one. Ill shift my vote closer to the deadline to prevent some kind of mass-unvote shenanigans if he is indeed mafia.

I think his team did abandon him.

And I think this based off my reads on who I think the other mafia players are - I believe that they lack enough credibility or presence to be able to convince people off a very strong analysis.

So most likely mafia are doing their best to blend in with the zarepath lynch as much as possible and starting at night to push forth their own agenda. Mafia would not want to be the few people who did not vote Zarepath as they would receive the spotlight and so they fear this (towns people don't mind since they can justify themselves and are clear with their intentions. I think you unafraid to keep your vote on SS is an example of this).

If anything I would be surprised if there weren't 2, even more so if there weren't 3 mafia voting for Zarepath.


On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote:
Nice lynch :D

Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.

As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while.

Copies my post and then misdirects us to focus on lurkers (we're nailing balt11t and town presence is strong enough that we don't need lurkers to find mafia). Does exactly what I guessed.

Remember to
$$Vote Zelblade

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
January 30 2012 04:38 GMT
#374
On January 30 2012 13:31 Adam4167 wrote:
Well now I look like a complete tool, thanks for that zarepath.

I approve of that vig shot. I wouldn't have announced it in thread though, as they may have been hiding their role-blocker, as in the last newbie game.

Could you provide a link to game? Did they like, withhold the roleblock powers day 1?

In either case I doubt that Midnight would fakeclaim vigi, shoot in public against someone who everyone is fine with getting shot, and so in the event balt11t isn't dead we can just kill him with lynch later? I guess it buys mafia an additional day but that has potential to give us additional cop investigations (if we have one I dunno) and more time to find the last mafia.
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
January 30 2012 04:44 GMT
#375
On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote:
Nice lynch :D

Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.

As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while.


Of course we always want to be pressuring and scrutinizing lurkers, but let me put forth this idea. After looking at zarepath's posts when he was defending himself on day1, he tried to point us back to the lurkers quite a bit. + Show Spoiler +
On January 27 2012 10:13 zarepath wrote:
I'm impressed with how thoroughly you've examined my posts. But honestly, if you were to decide that any other active player were mafia simply because you read a thread about active mafia, you would find similar "inconsistencies" that are simply misunderstandings in semantics.

I've done nothing but further town discussion, point towards suspicious people, contribute actual analytical defense of people that others are accusing, trying to aright the lynchpath -- etc.

There are numerous others who only accuse without good argument, refuse to defend themselves, or don't even post at all. While a wall of text analysis is impressive, it's operating on assumptions and while it might feel cool to be suspicious of an active town contributor, you really have nothing to go on here.
On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation.
On January 27 2012 11:08 zarepath wrote:
I'm not talking about Feared Being. I'm talking about less-actives like zelblade, cosmos and yourself, who post little, small, and acusaTORY THINGS WITH NO REAL ANALYSIS

(sorry holding baby)
On January 27 2012 12:24 zarepath wrote:
But we're having this 4-6 player discussion about an active townie while everyone else gets by just bandwagoning and not contributing anything.

This suggests to me that there is at least 1 more active mafia in the game. Let's not narrow our view to just lurkers. We can't get overconfident and discount possibilities because of 1 correct lynch.

Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
January 30 2012 04:53 GMT
#376
If a vigilante shot get's roleblocked, does that count as his hit being canceled, thereby allowing him to shoot at anytime following that night?
Guts? Determination? $5?
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
January 30 2012 05:00 GMT
#377
Newbie Mini Mafia II

Featuring both heads of our hydra, Jitsu and Probulous. The mafia withheld the roleblock on nights 1 and 2.
dreamflower
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States312 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-30 05:15:09
January 30 2012 05:08 GMT
#378
No, the vigilante's shot is counted as being used, but the shot itself is negated. Shots are only refunded if they overlap with another vigilante hit or with the Mafia's hit. Thus, if he is roleblocked the night that he shoots, the vigilante will not able to shoot again.
"When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers." -Oscar Wilde
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
January 30 2012 05:22 GMT
#379
Not trying to talk back here and I'll let this drop afterward but,
Doesn't a roleblocker block all night actions, in other words all features of someone's role? Meaning that a roleblocked vigi could not have fired his shot in the first place, and therefore it would not be wasted.
Guts? Determination? $5?
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
January 30 2012 05:27 GMT
#380
No. It blocks the kill itself but not the attempt to use the kill.
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