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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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sanddbox_sc2
United States173 Posts
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peter22
Belarus25 Posts
On April 04 2013 03:01 JaKaTaK wrote: Really good point about overlords! Definitely going to look at possible changes on that one what point? and what about the other 5+ things I wrote about | ||
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Ninjury_J
Canada408 Posts
Sandbox, what is your opinion on overlords? Regarding Ov creation: On April 04 2013 00:58 fengshaun wrote: And for ovies that need to be made in exact numbers (you can't just spam the button and make 100 ovies at a time), thumb is hard to press multiple times! | ||
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peter22
Belarus25 Posts
On April 04 2013 00:58 fengshaun wrote: I don't like / much either, especially for something that can be built so many times like an evo chamber (for vipers). It feels bad to press / and in fact, I didn't like pressing it when it was the 'next subgroup' button! And for ovies that need to be made in exact numbers (you can't just spam the button and make 100 ovies at a time), thumb is hard to press multiple times! exactly in my opinion I was perfect for overlords! i can deal with vipers swarmhosts or other less built units on worse keys, but overlords and evo chambers? build advanced isnt too good either, but you could get used to it ... | ||
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KrakenKenny
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Ninjury_J
Canada408 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341878 Scroll to the end of the OP. Click the link called "Alpha Build". Edit: That is the document. If you are looking for the hotkeys themselves, check the github at the same spot | ||
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peter22
Belarus25 Posts
On April 04 2013 04:12 peter22 wrote: exactly in my opinion I was perfect for overlords! i can deal with vipers swarmhosts or other less built units on worse keys, but overlords and evo chambers? build advanced isnt too good either, but you could get used to it ... this could be solved by putting cancel back on F8, overlord abck to I ultra to where cancel was and change every other key accordingly | ||
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Ninjury_J
Canada408 Posts
If this is done, I suggest using / for either queens or lair/hive, since it is still a good key to press once, and since it would eliminate accidentally upgrading/building queens because of lack of larva. | ||
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peter22
Belarus25 Posts
cancel back to F8 DRONE = O OVERLORD = I ZERGLING = J ROACH = L HYDRA = H MUTALISK = 8 CORRUPTOR = M INFESTOR = N SWARM HOST = , VIPER = U ULTRALISK = new cancel key I don't really like M and N for infestor/corruptor, maybe there is a better option | ||
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peter22
Belarus25 Posts
On April 04 2013 04:50 Ninjury_J wrote: If things are going to move, I think ultras should move over to Y/Y. Y/Y is equal to ]/Tb in terms of keyscore. It is on the ability side, so the option to put ultras in any control group without repetitive keystrokes remains open. If this is done, I suggest using / for either queens or lair/hive, since it is still a good key to press once, and since it would eliminate accidentally upgrading/building queens because of lack of larva. actually in my opinion the / key would be perfect for lair hive U is very nice for queens actually, | ||
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Fritti
Netherlands52 Posts
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fengshaun
149 Posts
@ninjury: Y is wayyyy too far away for any ability, especially one that's used in a lot of games (e.g. ultras). @peter22: your proposed hotkeys won't work. L is a CG and can't be used as ability. Also, lair/hive is rarely used, so its place on , is fine. , is harder to press than /. | ||
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Niyanyo
Mexico71 Posts
I agree that the / key is in a prime spot for usage, but i do believe that the old TAB usage of moving thru the hotkey is still underused and it is very important to have quick access on it. So basically im saying, keep / for TAB and unit abilities to middle ring and pinky. | ||
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peter22
Belarus25 Posts
On April 04 2013 06:55 fengshaun wrote: @peter22: your proposed hotkeys won't work. L is a CG and can't be used as ability. Also, lair/hive is rarely used, so its place on , is fine. , is harder to press than /. its a typo I meant K as you could guess I dont agree with , being harder to press than / / is like the worst key in the whole layout | ||
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fengshaun
149 Posts
On April 04 2013 07:00 Niyanyo wrote: So basically im saying, keep / for TAB and unit abilities to middle ring and pinky. That's going contrary to what we're discussing. Pressing / once is fine, but pressing it multiple times in succession is not comfortable. Having / for next subgroup requires it to be pressed multiple times in succession. @peter22: well, it might be that our hands are different then. Pressing , for me is a big movement for my ring finger, while / is very close to my thumb. | ||
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peter22
Belarus25 Posts
On April 04 2013 07:13 fengshaun wrote: That's going contrary to what we're discussing. Pressing / once is fine, but pressing it multiple times in succession is not comfortable. Having / for next subgroup requires it to be pressed multiple times in succession. @peter22: well, it might be that our hands are different then. Pressing , for me is a big movement for my ring finger, while / is very close to my thumb. he's talking about the zerg layout, where you don'T need / very often as a zerg and sometimes when you offrace and 2nd its not about the movement its about it being comfortable its uncomfortable to build overlords fast with your thumb because you already use your thumb for hotkeying and cameras and everything else this is why On April 04 2013 07:00 Niyanyo wrote: I think with the Thumb having use of the Shift, Control and Alt key, it is already being highly used. As zerg i am hotkeying and rehotkeying units, queens and cameras on hatches that i see myself typing with thumb a lot. | ||
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fengshaun
149 Posts
On April 04 2013 07:18 peter22 wrote: he's talking about the zerg layout, where you don'T need / very often as a zerg and sometimes when you offrace I'm also talking about the zerg layout. and 2nd its not about the movement its about it being comfortable its uncomfortable to build overlords fast with your thumb because you already use your thumb for hotkeying and cameras and everything else this is why Maybe it's just me then. I feel comfortable with / as long as I don't have to press it more than 3 or 4 times in a row. Actually, it's the same deal when playing Piano, if you have to press a key with your thumb a few times, you can (and should) alternate pressing thumb and index finger on the same key. Unfortunately given the size of the keyboard keys, that's not possible. | ||
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rebelsaint
United States24 Posts
A couple things: I really feel comfortable pressing / for single action type things. That key is in a great spot. What is in the running to put on that key? And where is Cancel going? Because the F key felt terrible. I can't seem to find a clear description in the thread and I looked through the github document, but it didn't look right: CG7 was on E in the ZRL layout, and a lot of the non-zerg lines were blank, so I didn't look beyond that because it looked screwed up to me. Is there a link to show really clearly what everything is going to be on? Or is there a layout on github that is for sure complete? | ||
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fengshaun
149 Posts
A couple things: I really feel comfortable pressing / for single action type things. That key is in a great spot. What is in the running to put on that key? no consensus yet.  And where is Cancel going? Because the F key felt terrible. As of right now, the cancel is = on qwerty. I don't think it's going to change. I can't seem to find a clear description in the thread and I looked through the github document, but it didn't look right: CG7 was on E in the ZRL layout, and a lot of the non-zerg lines were blank, so I didn't look beyond that because it looked screwed up to me. Is there a link to show really clearly what everything is going to be on? Or is there a layout on github that is for sure complete? If you can figure out the alpha build according to the following document, you are encouraged to try the 1.0A build right now. Otherwise, it's recommended you wait until it's released. It's royally screwed up right now! document (TheCore Archive): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtFSjIb2ibJTdDJUT19PTmR1TVhhTklQWm5aVFl3YUE#gid=12 | ||
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