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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On February 04 2012 11:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Let's break down what our friend here can be. Imperial Timeaisis, or even worse, Blue Timeaisis dying today, means I'm probably fucked, and prplhz is joining me in that club since he's been backing me up. I'll repay that gratitude in the best way I can, because I don't know if you're scum or not but you let me survive the day, and I owe you that. That´s not the way to go... If he´s scum you shouldn´t defend him just because he defended you. On February 04 2012 11:29 Sinensis wrote: You, prplhz, and Bluelightz are dead once Time turns town. Because they attacked you for your stupid play at the beginning and got Timeaisis lynched? They were wrong about Timeaisis but they gave proper reasons. If they were scum just because they got a townie lynched, Mafia would be easy. On February 04 2012 12:28 TheToast wrote: Most logical? Being that the case was WRONG I find that hard to believe. Especially since Bluelightz has been screaming scum from page 5. Seeing you constantly making these bizzare statements is absurd. You were wrong, I was right. If you are not scum you must be one of the worst town players in this game. It was the most logical case. The other two cases (I don´t count the one against Sinensis) were: 1.Me trying to pressure Sentinel to force him into a mistake, scum slip or something like that; he didn´t make a mistake, so it wasn´t a strong case. 2.The case against Bluelightz, which also wasn´t strong. What you said about him made sense but in no way justifies a lynch. He didn´t make as many bad posts as Timeaisis, so his case was weaker. On February 04 2012 16:28 Sinensis wrote: 6. As of posting this and everything I've read before it, I believe they will try to kill TheToast tonight. What information do we get out of that? | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
my choice is BaronFel because, 1).Hardcore Lurking! 2).Sheeping 3).Hardly contributing Will explain more on this when I can, cause I gotta sleep now. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 04 2012 15:44 Sinensis wrote: Eight people voted for Timeaisis, four for Bluelightz. There were 9 townies and 3 scum. Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz Bluelightz (4): TheToast, Timeaisis, Sinensis, sinani206 1. If TheToast, Me, or sinani206 are scum, it means mafia split their votes between Bluelightz and Timeaisis. 2. I believe that TheToast and sinani206 are town because they were the only other people in this game, aside from me, who didn't just try to kill an innocent person (Timeaisis) based off a fast forming illogical mob of votes against him. 3. Given that I believe TheToast and sinani206 are town, I must also believe that all mafia members voted for Timeaisis. Illogical? We're giving more evidence than you, and you're not even trying to come up with counterarguments other than "It's not logical" and "These people are scum for voting Timeaisis". And like mderg just said, it was the strongest case of the two (or three if you count Bluelightz) 4. If all mafia members voted for Timeaisis it means they used a strategy of trying to incriminate a noob based on faulty "scum slips," just like prplhz said a more experienced scum would try to. Coincidence? Umm... that is a common tactic. I'm a noob and I know how to do that. In fact it was so nooby that I suspected Timeaisis of doing that with his vote on me. 5. I am noob too and had a similar bandwagon of votes form against me much earlier, by the same people who went after Timeaisis and got him lynched: prplhz, Bluelightz, and Sentinel. What was that about you playing a game 2.5 years ago? TL;DR - With your current set of arguments I'm growing rather suspicious of you. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On February 04 2012 14:17 Bluelightz wrote: Sorry Time  , Hope we can be friends later on >.<The Lynch: There was 8 people voting Time and 4 people voting Me. From this, there was atleast 1 mafia voting Time. Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz Why are you writing this? What's your motivation here? Obviously there was at least one mafia voting Time, it was you lol. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 05 2012 06:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Do we just tell you "Do [Action] to [Player]" or do we have to send it to Zbot? Night actions are PMed to RedFF and Myself, NOT to Zbot. They can be in any format, as long as I understand what the action is. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
prplhz is scum, no question. For right now I'm going to ignore his strange early vote against Sinani. prplhz claimed it was a "joke vote". Maybe it was, idk. But it could also be that he is using that to cover up a very early and very bad attempt to start a bandwagon. Either way this is not in itself good evidence IMO (a later statement about this does though, so I will come back to this) What does add up to evidence against him, IMO is his constant short pointless posts that seemed to constantly be pushing town in the wrong direction. First of these was very early D1: On February 02 2012 19:53 prplhz wrote: We're lynching today. Are we? No explanation as to why, no analysis of the setup or why it's in our best interest? With all things being the same, D1 lynch benefits mafia. With good analysis town can turn this into their favor. Doesn't prove anything, but made me suspicious early on. On February 02 2012 20:23 prplhz wrote: [/b][/b]##Unvote: sinani206 ##Vote: Sinensis He's talking about no-lynching and he's making stupid lists. Rest is fluff. I think we found ourselves a scum here and I guess sinani206 will have to wait. The second person to get the bandwagon moving against Sinesis. Take a look at the second half of this post though. "sinani206 will have to wait" Will have to wait? This doesn't sound like someone who was making a joke post. If it was a joke, why not say "lol, I was just joking about Sinani"?? Or "Sinani isn't really scum IMO, just joking"?? His choice of word here to me indicates that he was earlier quiet serious about Sinani. My guess is that there was some disagreement among the scum. prplhz likely wanted to take out Sinani early as he is a vet scum hunter (a good move) but then bluelightz decided Sinesis was the better tartget; forcing prplhz into backing Bluelightz to avoid looking completely scummy from page 5. (I imagine there were some angry and hilarious PMs flooding between these two lol) His reasoning here was also strange. Bluelightz at least added a bunch of fluff to make it look like he was analyzing Sinesis, prplhz didn't even do that. He's didn't even make any lists at this point. Sinesis was also advocating against a no-lynch, I have no idea what prplhz was talking about here; likely a terrible attempt to get the members of town who didn't read Sinesis's posts clearly to bandwagon (which unbelievably worked). On February 02 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote: You're dead, scum. Now if you want to talk fluff... This to me is a dead giveaway of someone trying to start a bandwagon on a townie. No analysis, no quotes, just a one liner intended to try to focus the attention of non-critical townies. Why would you even post this? What's the point here? At this point there had been <10 posts discussing why Sinesis might be scum, was prplhz really that terribly convinced by those few short posts? Would a vet really fall into that trap?? On February 03 2012 12:53 prplhz wrote: I'm gonna post more tomorrow. My two first posts were primarily meant to get this game started fast so I posted semi-controversial things. I'm surprised no one went more crazy over my first post where I joke-voted, people usually go crazy about that. The second vote got people going though, keep it relevant and transparent, but most important of all, keep it coming. I don't think that sinani206, Nisani201 and I should be treated any differently from the rest of you. We may have played a lot of games but I doubt any of us would argue that we're too awesome at this game. We don't go around ravishing scum teams on a regular basis at all. What you should expect of us is that we will act logical and coherent, but you should expect this from anybody in this game. @sinani206 Do you truly believe any of that nonsense you just posted about me? Here's where the "joke vote" claim came in that I was discussing before. This was after Sinani called him out on page 9 and after a few people listed him as suspicious. The "I'll post more later" is a typical tactic of someone who is backed into a corner and isn't sure how to get out. I'm not sure what point he's trying to make with this "controversial" claim. This is essentially like saying "To move the game along I just posted a bunch of pointless stupid shit", which makes no sense given that one of the goals of town is to avoid muddying the waters with garbage. Either this makes him a really terrible townie, which I find hard to believe since he is a bit of a vet, or more likely he is scum (whose goal is to intentionally muddy the waters). After I made my argument against Bluelightz and defense of Timeaisis at the bottom of page 9, prphlz comes back with this quip: On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote: EchelonTee is making a lot of sense. TheToast isn't. ##Unvote: Sinensis ##Vote: Timeasis Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum. Analysis of my argument??? Analysis of ET's argument???? NOPE!!!!! "we need to lynch someone so kill Time. Really? No thoughts on this at all? Why are you so sure it's a good idea to kill Time? Why are you so intent on lynching someone based on one short analysis of someone?? I called him out about this very thing and he responded as such: On February 04 2012 04:38 prplhz wrote: On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum. First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over. No. Do you really want me to argue against this? First, this is purely speculation since you don't know if GMarshal balanced the game or not. Second, there are tons of first gamers in this game (mderg, Vilonis, BaronFel, Sinensis, Timeasis) you don't think any of those can be scum? Third, these games tend to be town favored, if he stacked either side he would probably be stacking town but again, this is purely speculation. On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite. First of all, this is all WIFOM and speculation, you don't know how Timeasis plays scum. Also, it is plain wrong, Timeasis didn't try to stick out at all in my opinion, he didn't push any lynches or post anyooks kinda like you're depsperately tryithing controversial. You also say that Mafia tend to lurk, while you said here that you don't think sinani206 is scum, because scum don't lurk. Seems like you're just making stuff up on the fly. On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: Focus on the people we have good analysis against so far; Sentinel and Bluelightz. Whoever the third person is, I am willing to bet they are more of a Vet. There are a few people who have so far been playing too perfectly, I don't want to call anyone out yet before we have good evidence as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. But there are a few people we need to focus on to get more information from. Take a look, I think you will see the people I am talking about. Can you link me that good analysis against [UoN]Sentinel and against Bluelightz? I saw a pretty bad analysis on Bluelightz accompanied by a pretty bad push where you say that you'll vote [UoN]Sentinel anyway. We're lynching Timeasis today. As for the no-lynch v. lynch discussion, I will always prefer lynch over no lynch, unless we're lynching a confirmed town. This is alignment independent for me and we can discuss it post game if you want to. But I never said that, I say that we should lynch Timeasis because he is scum, not because I prefer lynching "someone" over no-one so you're kinda putting words in my mouth now aren't you? Why does my bizarre behavior early on make me scum? Didn't you also just say in your defense of Timeasis that scum don't generally try to attract attention to themselves early on. It seems to me like you're making stuff up on the fly to fit with whatever you've decided to believe. You should stop this.[/QUOTE] First thing; the number of spelling mistakes and broken BBcode tags in this post suggest to me that it was rather hastily assembled (something we don't see in any of his other posts). Nervous maybe that he just made a huge slip up? I'll admit, he was right about the first point. I mistakenly believed this game was balanced. His second point is interesting "you don't know how he plays scum". My argument was basically that a first time Mafia player is likely to lurk more and be less outspoken. A fair assumption, and something that most Mafia guides support. He also twisted my point about Sinani. I said Sinani was likely town because as a VET player, he would know that when Mafia lurks they tend to lose. As a NEW player, Time would likely not understand that too well. prphlz is also a vet, he knows exactly what I was talking about, such a blatant attempt to (badly) twist my point is a good tell for me. His last point is a wash for me, I did what I think was a pretty decent analysis of Bluelightz and brought up some good points. Disagreeing with that doesn't necessarily make him scum IMO. I think I have already covered his last point about his early vote decently. On February 04 2012 05:16 prplhz wrote: @Timeasis You don't lynch someone just because there isn't an elaborate defense of them. I think EchelonTee pointed out a lot of good points about you and I already found you scummy for those and additional reasons which is why I am pushing you. His persistence against Time is interesting now that we know Time was town, but then again a good chunk of town voted for Time too based on ET's short argument, so this itself does not prove anything. On February 04 2012 06:00 prplhz wrote: @TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town? Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight people need to start voting for one of these. Here's a good one. His last statement, in retrospect, does seem awfully like railroading doesn't it? Who made him the ultimate vote decider? I'm not sure where he got this idea that was using the same argument for Time being town as prphlz for being scum. What was my argument against prphlz? Let's take a look: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2012 04:12 TheToast wrote: That's exactly what I was waiting for. The level of analysis here is positively staggering. I love how effectively you responded to all of my points about Timeaisis. [/sarcasm] This is a bandwagoning if I've ever seen one. Where's your analysis of Timeasis or Et's post? Why is lynching "someone" better than lynching no one? So many votes are already on Sentinel, why shouldn't we lynch him? Combined with your bizzare behavior early on, I'm now positive you are scum as well. Thanks for making this really obvious. ^^This was my initial argument against prphlz. Calling people out without any analysis or responding to any of Time's points. I did not use this as my argument for why Time was town. prphlz was talking out his butt at this point to save his neck. prphlz also then made a string of very passionate posts defending Sentinel. I am not sure why he did this, but it is the same type of bizzare defense of Sentinel we saw from Bluelightz, suggests (but does not prove) that Sentinel may be scum. On February 04 2012 09:17 prplhz wrote: @sinani206 Switch to Timeaisis. [UoN]Sentinel is a fucking horrible lynch and if you gathered any skill at all over your SEVEN FUCKING TEEN games then you should know this. There are way more than this, but I don't want this to get any longer. Then there was this: On February 04 2012 12:06 prplhz wrote: @EchelonTee What do you think about TheToast? Being that ET's terrible analysis of Time ended with a townie getting lynched, it makes sense that scum would try to swing ET's attention onto another townie. Obviously ET's analysis was convincing, so why not try to get him to write another? On February 04 2012 12:16 prplhz wrote: I'm uneasy about how he's refusing to address how I pointed out that he was using the same arguments for Timeaisis being town as for me being scum. Also his early game is a lot of throwing suspicion around and no committing. Pretty much, Timeaisis was the most logical case there was. Student Mafia was on 27 pages at day1 lynch, dunno why this is so much slower. BaronFel and Vilonis and sinani206 and Nisani201 all need to post more. This last one was the best. Most logical case? Ironic considering prphlz used about one of the least logical arguments possible to refute my defense of Time. To me, this is prphlz clearly trying to cover his tracks here. His terrible arguments were instrumental in moving forward the bandwagon on Time. By trying to claim that it was all based on logical analysis, he thinks he can make himself look townie. But in reality, the only thing that explains all of his actions, his bad arguments, and every other point I've brought up here is that he is mafia. No question in my mind. Since I think I am likely to be dead tonight, let me summerize: Scum: Bluelightz prphlz If we have a vigilante on the team, you know what you have to do. If not then guys, MAKE SURE ONE OF THESE TWO IS LYNCHED DAY 2! For reference here is my posts on Bluelightz: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452¤tpage=9#176 I'm not entirely sure who the third member is, my two candidates are [UoN]Sentinel and EchelonTee -Sentinel looks like the most likely candidate. Bluelightz and prphlz have both defended him, and he was the third person on the early bandwagon against Sinesis. His posting is pretty clean though, and the analysis against him was not at all conclusive. I'm thinking there is a very good chance he is mafia number 3, but I don't have any conclusive proof against him. -EchelonTee I think is the only other candidate for #3. The only reason I bring him up is for his terrible analysis of Time, I mean like really bad analysis. If you actually read Time's posting it should be really clear he was town. However I cannot find any other clues in his posts that would indicate he is scum, probably just really bad at analysis. prphlz also continued to use ET's analysis as reasoning for lynching Time, but I think he just saw bad analysis that he could take advantage of. I could be wrong about that though. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Vilonis
United States130 Posts
First, his consistency. Everyone should read through TheToast's filter. He has been tracking and building up evidence against Bluelightz and prphlz the whole game. He didn't want to lynch Timeasis Example, On February 04 2012 09:47 TheToast wrote: Nope, I'm good right where I am. Timeaisis or Sentinel may be scum, but I don't think there is enough evidence against either one. Since you all seem to have rejected the logic of my plan, I hope you all get really lucky. In addition, he has done more helpful analysis than anyone else in this thread, and called out more poor analysis. The point of all of this? TheToast is right. If it is possible, he should be saved. He is the most obvious town right now. We should also keep an eye on Bluelightz and prphlz, and consider them strong lynch candidates. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Here's a good one. His last statement, in retrospect, does seem awfully like railroading doesn't it? Who made him the ultimate vote decider? Sinensis made a similar comment. prphlz also then made a string of very passionate posts defending Sentinel. I am not sure why he did this, but it is the same type of bizzare defense of Sentinel we saw from Bluelightz, suggests (but does not prove) that Sentinel may be scum. I support prplhz for two reasons - 1) His defense helped me not get lynched, and 2) His logic makes sense. Now you're helping knock out reason #2. If he's scum, this is actually a good strategy. He's giving me full support in the hopes that I'm blue (if I had to guess, there are 3-4 blue roles so that's 33%-44% chance of being right, fairly good odds) so that when he gets lynched, I go down with him. Next up: but then again a good chunk of town voted for Time too based on ET's short argument Being that ET's terrible analysis of Time ended with a townie getting lynched, it makes sense that scum would try to swing ET's attention onto another townie. Obviously ET's analysis was convincing His terrible arguments were instrumental in moving forward the bandwagon on Time So is it ET or prplhz who got Time lynched? I'm thinking there is a very good chance he is mafia number 3, but I don't have any conclusive proof against him. Keep thinking that, see where it gets you  Since I think I am likely to be dead tonight Don't resign yourself to your fate that easily. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
Won't be around for the Day post; my primary suspect is Bluelightz. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 05 2012 09:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Day post is in 2 and a half hours right? Two hours now, but yes. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I'll respond to your accusations a bit later. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On February 05 2012 09:08 EchelonTee wrote: It's easy in hindsight to say that analysis was stupid/wrong; at the time no one had any tangible objections to my analysis. I noted that Timeaisis looked nooby, but it was his bandwagoning/excessive agreement + that he didn't defend/respond to me much at all, that made me think he was scum. You can't say that he was CLEARLY, OBVIOUS town; he had scum traits. So did other people; thats why moving forward we've got stuff to work with. Won't be around for the Day post; my primary suspect is Bluelightz. Actually I said quite clearly at the time that Timeaisis was town. [QUOTE]On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: [QUOTE]On February 04 2012 02:25 mderg wrote: [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote: Agreed.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 15:50 Timeaisis wrote: I agree.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 06:37 Timeaisis wrote: And yeah, I agree with mderg that you are probably scum.[/QUOTE] This also seems odd to me. You agreed with others and went with the flow quite often. This might indicate a lack of interest to bring in much of your own thoughts, something I see more on the scummy side. Doesn´t make you scum but: FoS: Timeaisis[/QUOTE] I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum.[quote] There's nothing "in hindsight" about my post. Your analysis was deeply flawed. My favorite point is when you accused him of over and over claiming that he was new: [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote: I was thinking that you were just newbie townie, your filter is full of stuff like this: [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote: I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good.  [/QUOTE]Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis[/QUOTE] Now when you said "your filter is full of stuff like this" did you actually mean to say "you have one post that says this"??? Because that was the ONLY post from time that uses the word "new" prior to you posting that. It's one of two posts where he mentioned that he was a newbie. Both of these were on page 4 in the absolute beginning of the game. He did not mention his newness again. Yet here you are 5 pages later calling him out as being scum. You did it again here: [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 12:09 EchelonTee wrote: [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 11:55 Timeaisis wrote: [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote: [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote: I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. [/QUOTE]Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis[/QUOTE] I didn't realize saying it once was "over and over", but OK. Whatever you say.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 12:57 Timeaisis wrote: Hey everyone, I'm new at this so don't go too hard on me, but I think I'll reserve my vote until we get a clear understanding of who is in our midst. .[/QUOTE] directly stating [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote: I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. [/QUOTE]restating badness [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 14:42 Timeaisis wrote: OK, good to know. So basically, if someone speaks once and then is silent, that's a sign. But sounds like inactives are gonna get killed anyway. Good to know. [/QUOTE] this is a tone thing; emphasizing your lack of knowledge you could, you know, respond to every part of my posts.[/QUOTE] Making your argument with the same two posts. Nice. Oh, and that last one hilariously was his response to you after you called him out for being wrong about lurkers. You were actually right and he was wrong, HOW should he have responded to you??? I loved this one two: [QUOTE]On February 04 2012 06:05 EchelonTee wrote: [QUOTE]On February 04 2012 04:54 Timeaisis wrote: Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new. [/QUOTE] funfact: Sinensis played a mafia game 2.5ish years ago [/QUOTE] Oooo he was wrong about a game Sinesis played TWO YEARS AGO.... wow he MUST be scum NOW..... You also never bothered to respond to me defense of Time, I don't know if you missed it or just ignored it. Not sure how you could have missed it because prphlz spent half a page trying to break it apart with ridiculous counter points. The more I hear from you, the less convinced I am that you just made some bad analysis. Your response here really looks like you are desperately trying to sweep this under the rug. [QUOTE]On February 05 2012 10:25 prplhz wrote: Just want to say that I don't think you're scum TheToast. I'll respond to your accusations a bit later.[/QUOTE] Remember what I said? This is the "I have no response to this so I need time to come up with some BS answer as to why this is not right". Or maybe scum is trying to take me down tonight and you are hoping that after I am gone you can argue everyone down with some BS knowing that I can't continue to point out why it's BS. Which apparently the rest of the town seems unwilling to do. If it's a matter of time, why even bother posting anything at all? Why not just post your whole defense later? What's even the point of leaving this message? I think you are a bit afraid that if the townies read this and sit thinking about it for too long they are going to realize I am very right. [QUOTE]On February 05 2012 08:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I support prplhz for two reasons - 1) His defense helped me not get lynched, and 2) His logic makes sense. Now you're helping knock out reason #2. If he's scum, this is actually a good strategy. He's giving me full support in the hopes that I'm blue (if I had to guess, there are 3-4 blue roles so that's 33%-44% chance of being right, fairly good odds) so that when he gets lynched, I go down with him.[/quote] This makes no sense to me. [quote] So is it ET or prplhz who got Time lynched?[/quote] Neither. They provided the spark, the townies threw on the fuel that started the fire. prplhz is scum, 100%. Whether ET is scum or not I am still not sure. It's either him or you. [quote]Don't resign yourself to your fate that easily.[/QUOTE] I sure as hell hope I'm wrong. Or hope we have a good medic, or my mention of the medic made mafia change their mind about who to attempt to take down and went after sinani. But that may be just be optimism. I guess we will know shortly. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On February 05 2012 10:55 TheToast wrote: Actually I said quite clearly at the time that Timeaisis was town. There's nothing "in hindsight" about my post. Your analysis was deeply flawed. My favorite point is when you accused him of over and over claiming that he was new: On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote: I was thinking that you were just newbie townie, your filter is full of stuff like this: Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis Now when you said "your filter is full of stuff like this" did you actually mean to say "you have one post that says this"??? Because that was the ONLY post from time that uses the word "new" prior to you posting that. It's one of two posts where he mentioned that he was a newbie. Both of these were on page 4 in the absolute beginning of the game. He did not mention his newness again. Yet here you are 5 pages later calling him out as being scum. You did it again here: On February 03 2012 12:09 EchelonTee wrote: directly stating restating badness this is a tone thing; emphasizing your lack of knowledge you could, you know, respond to every part of my posts. Making your argument with the same two posts. Nice. Oh, and that last one hilariously was his response to you after you called him out for being wrong about lurkers. You were actually right and he was wrong, HOW should he have responded to you??? I loved this one two: On February 04 2012 06:05 EchelonTee wrote: funfact: Sinensis played a mafia game 2.5ish years ago Oooo he was wrong about a game Sinesis played TWO YEARS AGO.... wow he MUST be scum NOW..... You also never bothered to respond to me defense of Time, I don't know if you missed it or just ignored it. Not sure how you could have missed it because prphlz spent half a page trying to break it apart with ridiculous counter points. The more I hear from you, the less convinced I am that you just made some bad analysis. Your response here really looks like you are desperately trying to sweep this under the rug. On February 05 2012 10:25 prplhz wrote: Just want to say that I don't think you're scum TheToast. I'll respond to your accusations a bit later. Remember what I said? This is the "I have no response to this so I need time to come up with some BS answer as to why this is not right". Or maybe scum is trying to take me down tonight and you are hoping that after I am gone you can argue everyone down with some BS knowing that I can't continue to point out why it's BS. Which apparently the rest of the town seems unwilling to do. If it's a matter of time, why even bother posting anything at all? Why not just post your whole defense later? What's even the point of leaving this message? I think you are a bit afraid that if the townies read this and sit thinking about it for too long they are going to realize I am very right. On February 05 2012 08:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I support prplhz for two reasons - 1) His defense helped me not get lynched, and 2) His logic makes sense. Now you're helping knock out reason #2. If he's scum, this is actually a good strategy. He's giving me full support in the hopes that I'm blue (if I had to guess, there are 3-4 blue roles so that's 33%-44% chance of being right, fairly good odds) so that when he gets lynched, I go down with him. This makes no sense to me. So is it ET or prplhz who got Time lynched? Neither. They provided the spark, the townies threw on the fuel that started the fire. prplhz is scum, 100%. Whether ET is scum or not I am still not sure. It's either him or you. Don't resign yourself to your fate that easily. I sure as hell hope I'm wrong. Or hope we have a good medic, or my mention of the medic made mafia change their mind about who to attempt to take down and went after sinani. But that may be just be optimism. I guess we will know shortly. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
He emphasized his noobiness THREE times. Even if he didn't use the exact word NEW each time, it does NOT mean he didn't say a similar thought each time. And the fact that it was his response to me? It's because I was gauging him!!! Whenever someone goes around saying "oh Im new im new" it's a fcking red flag; happened in TL Mafia with Macpo, in Student Mafia with jaybrundage, IT'S A SCUM TELL. He stated he was new two times in succession, so I gauged him with questions. It's how you play Mafia. Not go around "Hmm I think you're wrong, because you're wrong, and look I was always right so my reads are always right!" jesus. And I said it's a FUNFACT!!!! I just thought it was INTERESTING that Sinensis had played a game 2.5 years ago! I'm not trying to fcking manipulate anything here; it still qualifies him as a noob because this is only his second game. Those three things really make me suspicious? Like wtf. Half the town is inactive, other half spewing vitriole at each other. You're town but you gotta be more logical with this stuff. Also, you're obviously not going to die because you wifom'd your way out of it, so all we can do is hope your reads are correct. | ||
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