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BrosephBrostar
United States445 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
and i made sure i had no firewall on and im obviously connected to the internet so sucks for me i guess | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On March 15 2011 17:03 BrosephBrostar wrote: The issue seems to be with the "GOMTV Streamer" specifically rather than the player in general. Even with older versions of the Windows GOM Player any links generated won't work. If you remember a while ago they moved the standard SQ stream to the paid section and replaced it with a "Test" stream that required GOMTV Streamer. I was still able to watch the stream with the version of GOM Player I've had installed since the SC1 broadcasts using the VLC method, but since yesterday even that doesn't work anymore. So this isn't about wanting to exclude non-Windows users or forcing people to download the GOM Player. It appears that they just want to use your bandwidth. Personally I find it a little bit hypocritical to ask for money to "support the stream" in order to watch VODs when they're basically forcing you to support the stream anyway through P2P methods. Pretty much. | ||
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RandomAccount139135
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
P2P restreaming was used at Blizzcon and other large events too. Providing enough bandwidth with low latency from Korea to the US/EU isn't easy. The GOMtv streamer helps out, especially to the parts where latency/routing from GOM->user is bad. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On March 15 2011 19:13 karpo wrote: P2P restreaming was used at Blizzcon and other large events too. Providing enough bandwidth with low latency from Korea to the US/EU isn't easy. The GOMtv streamer helps out, especially to the parts where latency/routing from GOM->user is bad. I know how p2p streaming works and why they use it. Thanks for your explanation though it wasn't needed. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On March 15 2011 19:26 Baarn wrote: I know how p2p streaming works and why they use it. Thanks for your explanation though it wasn't needed. Then why quote and agree with a post that complains about the stream using P2P methods? | ||
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SwizzY
United States1549 Posts
On March 15 2011 19:13 Akari Takai wrote: You could just use Wine. Mac OS X users and Linux users could easily install GOM Player and view it with that while we wait for the Mac version and hopefully later a Linux version to be released. Tonight I saw this thread and tested it out myself. In the spoiler tags, are the instructions for the latest version of Ubuntu Linux. The instructions could easily be adapter for other versions of Linux, or even Mac, with some tweaking. Here are some pictures showing it working: ![[image loading]](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/akari_takai/gom1.png) ![[image loading]](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/akari_takai/gom2.png) ![[image loading]](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/akari_takai/gom3.png) ![[image loading]](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/akari_takai/gom4.png) + Show Spoiler + Open Terminal, you'll be entering all the commands in the quotes. First, we need to install Wine sudo apt-get -y install wine Then, we need to install the GOM Player cd ~/Downloads wget http://software-files-l.cnet.com/s/software/11/65/48/99/GOMPLAYERENSETUP.EXE?e=1300194368&h=e9d31d08ccd13b621b106b23b9670b17&lop=link&ptype=1901&ontid=13632&siteId=4&edId=3&spi=c7500b638ecf8cecf7ecffcb98150797&pid=11654899&psid=10551786&fileName=GOMPLAYERENSETUP.EXE chmod +x GOMPLAYERENSETUP.EXE wine ./GOMEPLAYERENSETUP.EXE Then, we need to add video/audio dependencies to make sure GOM Player works wget http://winetricks.org/winetricks chmod +x winetricks sh winetricks d3dx9 d3dx9_28 d3dx9_36 d3dx10 d3dxof devenum dinput8 dirac directmusic directplay directx9 divx dsound ffdshow quartz xvid And finally we need to create a wrapper and URI handler for Firefox/whateverbrowser to understand that we want GOM Player to open the stream. sudo echo '#!/bin/sh/' > /usr/bin/gomplayer sudo echo 'exec wine "C:\\Program Files\\GRETECH\\GomPlayer\\GOM.exe" "$@"' > /usr/bin/gomplayer gconftool-2 --set --type=string /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/gomcmd/command '/usr/bin/gomplayer "%s"' gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/gomcmd/enabled true gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/gomcmd/need-terminal true That's it! During this process the main GOM Player installer window will appear as well as a few other installers. Follow the setup process as you would normally do on a windows computer. There should be no video or sound issues encountered. So IDK if not being able to use the video player of your choice is such a big deal. GOM Player seems pretty stable. I've been using it as my primary video player for about 3-4 months now, and I've had zero problems with it. If people are having problems with the stream, I suspect that has a lot more to do with stream issues/connectivity issues than not. Certainly it's not discrimination against OSes. It's just against video players. I tried to use wine on my Mac for a variety of reasons (join TL'rs in maplestory, certain ROM emulators, etc.) but its sooo technical and I feel like it demands prior knowledge of mac/programming lingo... :/ If I knew even the slightest about any of it I would totally do it though. It really is a bummer that its impossible for mac users to watch GSL now.. The one match that I am dying to see is Boxer's too.. Gomtv made a channel on youtube for those of you that don't know with free VODS, but they are disgustingly short (stop somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the game) and are basically worthless.. WHY GOM, WHY?!?!?? | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On March 15 2011 19:35 SwizzY wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2011 19:13 Akari Takai wrote: You could just use Wine. Mac OS X users and Linux users could easily install GOM Player and view it with that while we wait for the Mac version and hopefully later a Linux version to be released. Tonight I saw this thread and tested it out myself. In the spoiler tags, are the instructions for the latest version of Ubuntu Linux. The instructions could easily be adapter for other versions of Linux, or even Mac, with some tweaking. Here are some pictures showing it working: + Show Spoiler + Open Terminal, you'll be entering all the commands in the quotes. First, we need to install Wine sudo apt-get -y install wine Then, we need to install the GOM Player cd ~/Downloads wget http://software-files-l.cnet.com/s/software/11/65/48/99/GOMPLAYERENSETUP.EXE?e=1300194368&h=e9d31d08ccd13b621b106b23b9670b17&lop=link&ptype=1901&ontid=13632&siteId=4&edId=3&spi=c7500b638ecf8cecf7ecffcb98150797&pid=11654899&psid=10551786&fileName=GOMPLAYERENSETUP.EXE chmod +x GOMPLAYERENSETUP.EXE wine ./GOMEPLAYERENSETUP.EXE Then, we need to add video/audio dependencies to make sure GOM Player works wget http://winetricks.org/winetricks chmod +x winetricks sh winetricks d3dx9 d3dx9_28 d3dx9_36 d3dx10 d3dxof devenum dinput8 dirac directmusic directplay directx9 divx dsound ffdshow quartz xvid And finally we need to create a wrapper and URI handler for Firefox/whateverbrowser to understand that we want GOM Player to open the stream. sudo echo '#!/bin/sh/' > /usr/bin/gomplayer sudo echo 'exec wine "C:\\Program Files\\GRETECH\\GomPlayer\\GOM.exe" "$@"' > /usr/bin/gomplayer gconftool-2 --set --type=string /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/gomcmd/command '/usr/bin/gomplayer "%s"' gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/gomcmd/enabled true gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/gomcmd/need-terminal true That's it! During this process the main GOM Player installer window will appear as well as a few other installers. Follow the setup process as you would normally do on a windows computer. There should be no video or sound issues encountered. So IDK if not being able to use the video player of your choice is such a big deal. GOM Player seems pretty stable. I've been using it as my primary video player for about 3-4 months now, and I've had zero problems with it. If people are having problems with the stream, I suspect that has a lot more to do with stream issues/connectivity issues than not. Certainly it's not discrimination against OSes. It's just against video players. I tried to use wine on my Mac for a variety of reasons (join TL'rs in maplestory, certain ROM emulators, etc.) but its sooo technical and I feel like it demands prior knowledge of mac/programming lingo... :/ If I knew even the slightest about any of it I would totally do it though. It really is a bummer that its impossible for mac users to watch GSL now.. The one match that I am dying to see is Boxer's too.. Gomtv made a channel on youtube for those of you that don't know with free VODS, but they are disgustingly short (stop somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the game) and are basically worthless.. WHY GOM, WHY?!?!?? Buy the premium ticket and watch the vods? | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
New workaround that seems to be allowing most people to get the stream working | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On March 15 2011 19:31 karpo wrote: Then why quote and agree with a post that complains about the stream using P2P methods? Because it is a big reason why gomtv wants people to use their player only to watch their broadcast. So I'm agreeing with that. I'm also agreeing giving gomtv any money is a waste of time considering they are using your bandwidth and forcing you to use their windows only client. Yet you are only paying for "vods." I can give a shit about vods so I'm no longer supporting them financially. Oh and any reply from you at this point will go unanswered regarding this topic since you just disagree with anything I post in this thread to the point that I find you obnoxious now. | ||
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zeru
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On March 15 2011 19:43 Baarn wrote: Because it is a big reason why gomtv wants people to use their player only to watch their broadcast. So I'm agreeing with that. I'm also agreeing giving gomtv any money is a waste of time considering they are using your bandwidth and forcing you to use their windows only client. Yet you are only paying for "vods." I can give a shit about vods so I'm no longer supporting them financially. Oh and any reply from you at this point will go unanswered regarding this topic since you just disagree with anything I post in this thread to the point that I find you obnoxious now. Great you find me obnoxious cause i don't agree with you. Seems kinda childish but to each his own. The reason i disagree is because you feel entitled to stuff GOM explicitly stated wasn't supported. GOM uses your bandwidth the same way Blizzard did for their Blizzcon stream, and that cost money too. I think GOM have been to slow with the Mac version of the player. But i still believe that GOM have the right to block 3rd party programs accessing their stream as they skew the server balancing and can cause problems for legit viewers. | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
Dear GOMtv.net Users: First, we want to apologize for not making the announcement sooner. There have been some concerns regarding the recent inability of non-Windows users to access the live stream by means other than GOM Player. As we have mentioned previously, please understand that we do not support such methods as they could generate unforeseen techinical issues and security issues that affect our service management stability for GOMtv.net. Such issues thus affect the users watching live broadcasts via GOM Player negatively. GOM Player for MAC is in its stability testing stage and will be released soon in order to service the MAC OS users. Thank you for your understanding. GOMtv.net EDIT; As for the Korean beta, it did not work this morning for my mac. | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On March 15 2011 21:21 Honeybadger wrote: I started restreaming for mac/linux users tonight. Gom had my stream shut down in under 20 minutes. I was streaming the -free- version, not my paid HQ version. Do you realize how this reads? "I started breaking the law for mac/linux users tonight. GOM shot me down in under 20 minutes, thankfully it's not worth it for them to sue. Insert something irrelevant about which content was being stolen." Edit: Oh, hey, 400. | ||
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ShyRamen
United States322 Posts
On March 15 2011 18:33 karpo wrote: See: You don't know what security/network/bandwidth problems may arise from using unsupported 3rd party programs so stop acting like it's not a big deal and trying to victimize yourself and others. There's a huge difference between wanting to support and help foreigners to the scene and blocking 3rd party programs that interfere with the security, balance and control of the stream servers. So.. would you be so kind to explain me what kind of security/bandwidth problems may be generated? Every user gets his own key after the log-in right ? So.. what's up with that ? how is that such a big issue ? I think it's more likely to be something else but please, I would like to be enlightened as I am not an expert in this subject matter And we are not trying to victimize ourselves, we are just pissed off because till few days ago we were able to watch the live show (premium members, HQ live) through VLC and now we cannot. And for those who still say "when you buy the premium you pay for the VODS" aight, but then tell me why the F tasteless keeps sayin "please encourage your friends to buy the premium service, the money does go to improve the stream" - Certainly not the FREE stream right ? So I am assuming the premium money DOES go to improve the HQ premium stream and as paying members we, mac/linux users, have the right to claim some support. 5 and i mean FIVE seasons and still not mac/linux support = VERY weak I'm not gonna buy next season's premium service until there's a Mac player out and will watch re-streams till then. In fact, I already started doing so even if I paid the premium service cause I can't watch it live anymore  | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On March 15 2011 21:38 ShyRamen wrote: So.. would you be so kind to explain me what kind of security/bandwidth problems may be generated? Every user gets his own key after the log-in right ? So.. what's up with that ? how is that such a big issue ? I think it's more likely to be something else but please, I would like to be enlightened as I am not an expert in this subject matter And we are not trying to victimize ourselves, we are just pissed off because till few days ago we were able to watch the live show (premium members, HQ live) through VLC and now we cannot. And for those who still say "when you buy the premium you pay for the VODS" aight, but then tell me why the F tasteless keeps sayin "please encourage your friends to buy the premium service, the money does go to improve the stream" - Certainly not the FREE stream right ? So I am assuming the premium money DOES go to improve the HQ premium stream and as paying members we, mac/linux users, have the right to claim some support. 5 and i mean FIVE seasons and still not mac/linux support = VERY weak I'm not gonna buy next season's premium service until there's a Mac player out and will watch re-streams till then. In fact, I already started doing so even if I paid the premium service cause I can't watch it live anymore I've explained some of this earlier in the thread, cba to do it again. I agree that they should have gotten a Mac version out sooner. I don't agree that Mac users have some kind of right to use workarounds and restreams just cause of this. I really don't understand how gamers can't get a dual boot or virtual XP to run in less than a hour. Instead people work their asses off with plugins, fixes and workarounds that are shut down as soon as GOM learns about them anyway. | ||
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FEiN
United Kingdom91 Posts
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
I understand not wanting their property massively rebroadcast so that they prevent profit loss, but it's pretty unfair to people without Windows that they aren't even catering to these potential paying customers who don't own it. For at least a portion of the people watching illegal restreams, GOM is forcing it upon them to do so by denying them the ability to use their proprietary player. | ||
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