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BrosephBrostar
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States445 Posts
March 15 2011 09:48 GMT
#281
Like I said it's not about 3rd party programs, it's about the GOMTV Streamer thing. Trying to watch with the legit GOM Player without the Streamer thing doesn't work either.

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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 15 2011 09:52 GMT
#282
seconded the above with error code 0x00000071
and i made sure i had no firewall on
and im obviously connected to the internet
so sucks for me i guess
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
March 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#283
On March 15 2011 17:03 BrosephBrostar wrote:
The issue seems to be with the "GOMTV Streamer" specifically rather than the player in general. Even with older versions of the Windows GOM Player any links generated won't work. If you remember a while ago they moved the standard SQ stream to the paid section and replaced it with a "Test" stream that required GOMTV Streamer. I was still able to watch the stream with the version of GOM Player I've had installed since the SC1 broadcasts using the VLC method, but since yesterday even that doesn't work anymore.

So this isn't about wanting to exclude non-Windows users or forcing people to download the GOM Player. It appears that they just want to use your bandwidth. Personally I find it a little bit hypocritical to ask for money to "support the stream" in order to watch VODs when they're basically forcing you to support the stream anyway through P2P methods.


Pretty much.
There's no S in KT. :P
RandomAccount139135
Profile Joined January 2011
40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 10:20:44
March 15 2011 10:13 GMT
#284
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karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
March 15 2011 10:13 GMT
#285
On March 15 2011 19:10 Baarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 17:03 BrosephBrostar wrote:
The issue seems to be with the "GOMTV Streamer" specifically rather than the player in general. Even with older versions of the Windows GOM Player any links generated won't work. If you remember a while ago they moved the standard SQ stream to the paid section and replaced it with a "Test" stream that required GOMTV Streamer. I was still able to watch the stream with the version of GOM Player I've had installed since the SC1 broadcasts using the VLC method, but since yesterday even that doesn't work anymore.

So this isn't about wanting to exclude non-Windows users or forcing people to download the GOM Player. It appears that they just want to use your bandwidth. Personally I find it a little bit hypocritical to ask for money to "support the stream" in order to watch VODs when they're basically forcing you to support the stream anyway through P2P methods.


Pretty much.


P2P restreaming was used at Blizzcon and other large events too. Providing enough bandwidth with low latency from Korea to the US/EU isn't easy. The GOMtv streamer helps out, especially to the parts where latency/routing from GOM->user is bad.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
March 15 2011 10:26 GMT
#286
On March 15 2011 19:13 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 19:10 Baarn wrote:
On March 15 2011 17:03 BrosephBrostar wrote:
The issue seems to be with the "GOMTV Streamer" specifically rather than the player in general. Even with older versions of the Windows GOM Player any links generated won't work. If you remember a while ago they moved the standard SQ stream to the paid section and replaced it with a "Test" stream that required GOMTV Streamer. I was still able to watch the stream with the version of GOM Player I've had installed since the SC1 broadcasts using the VLC method, but since yesterday even that doesn't work anymore.

So this isn't about wanting to exclude non-Windows users or forcing people to download the GOM Player. It appears that they just want to use your bandwidth. Personally I find it a little bit hypocritical to ask for money to "support the stream" in order to watch VODs when they're basically forcing you to support the stream anyway through P2P methods.


Pretty much.


P2P restreaming was used at Blizzcon and other large events too. Providing enough bandwidth with low latency from Korea to the US/EU isn't easy. The GOMtv streamer helps out, especially to the parts where latency/routing from GOM->user is bad.


I know how p2p streaming works and why they use it. Thanks for your explanation though it wasn't needed.
There's no S in KT. :P
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 10:32:07
March 15 2011 10:31 GMT
#287
On March 15 2011 19:26 Baarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 19:13 karpo wrote:
On March 15 2011 19:10 Baarn wrote:
On March 15 2011 17:03 BrosephBrostar wrote:
The issue seems to be with the "GOMTV Streamer" specifically rather than the player in general. Even with older versions of the Windows GOM Player any links generated won't work. If you remember a while ago they moved the standard SQ stream to the paid section and replaced it with a "Test" stream that required GOMTV Streamer. I was still able to watch the stream with the version of GOM Player I've had installed since the SC1 broadcasts using the VLC method, but since yesterday even that doesn't work anymore.

So this isn't about wanting to exclude non-Windows users or forcing people to download the GOM Player. It appears that they just want to use your bandwidth. Personally I find it a little bit hypocritical to ask for money to "support the stream" in order to watch VODs when they're basically forcing you to support the stream anyway through P2P methods.


Pretty much.


P2P restreaming was used at Blizzcon and other large events too. Providing enough bandwidth with low latency from Korea to the US/EU isn't easy. The GOMtv streamer helps out, especially to the parts where latency/routing from GOM->user is bad.


I know how p2p streaming works and why they use it. Thanks for your explanation though it wasn't needed.


Then why quote and agree with a post that complains about the stream using P2P methods?
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
March 15 2011 10:35 GMT
#288
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On March 15 2011 19:13 Akari Takai wrote:
You could just use Wine. Mac OS X users and Linux users could easily install GOM Player and view it with that while we wait for the Mac version and hopefully later a Linux version to be released.

Tonight I saw this thread and tested it out myself. In the spoiler tags, are the instructions for the latest version of Ubuntu Linux. The instructions could easily be adapter for other versions of Linux, or even Mac, with some tweaking. Here are some pictures showing it working:

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Open Terminal, you'll be entering all the commands in the quotes.

First, we need to install Wine

sudo apt-get -y install wine


Then, we need to install the GOM Player

cd ~/Downloads
wget http://software-files-l.cnet.com/s/software/11/65/48/99/GOMPLAYERENSETUP.EXE?e=1300194368&h=e9d31d08ccd13b621b106b23b9670b17&lop=link&ptype=1901&ontid=13632&siteId=4&edId=3&spi=c7500b638ecf8cecf7ecffcb98150797&pid=11654899&psid=10551786&fileName=GOMPLAYERENSETUP.EXE
chmod +x GOMPLAYERENSETUP.EXE
wine ./GOMEPLAYERENSETUP.EXE


Then, we need to add video/audio dependencies to make sure GOM Player works

wget http://winetricks.org/winetricks
chmod +x winetricks
sh winetricks d3dx9 d3dx9_28 d3dx9_36 d3dx10 d3dxof devenum dinput8 dirac directmusic directplay directx9 divx dsound ffdshow quartz xvid


And finally we need to create a wrapper and URI handler for Firefox/whateverbrowser to understand that we want GOM Player to open the stream.

sudo echo '#!/bin/sh/' > /usr/bin/gomplayer
sudo echo 'exec wine "C:\\Program Files\\GRETECH\\GomPlayer\\GOM.exe" "$@"' > /usr/bin/gomplayer
gconftool-2 --set --type=string /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/gomcmd/command '/usr/bin/gomplayer "%s"'
gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/gomcmd/enabled true
gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/gomcmd/need-terminal true


That's it!

During this process the main GOM Player installer window will appear as well as a few other installers. Follow the setup process as you would normally do on a windows computer. There should be no video or sound issues encountered.


So IDK if not being able to use the video player of your choice is such a big deal. GOM Player seems pretty stable. I've been using it as my primary video player for about 3-4 months now, and I've had zero problems with it. If people are having problems with the stream, I suspect that has a lot more to do with stream issues/connectivity issues than not.

Certainly it's not discrimination against OSes. It's just against video players.



I tried to use wine on my Mac for a variety of reasons (join TL'rs in maplestory, certain ROM emulators, etc.) but its sooo technical and I feel like it demands prior knowledge of mac/programming lingo... :/

If I knew even the slightest about any of it I would totally do it though.

It really is a bummer that its impossible for mac users to watch GSL now.. The one match that I am dying to see is Boxer's too.. Gomtv made a channel on youtube for those of you that don't know with free VODS, but they are disgustingly short (stop somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the game) and are basically worthless..

WHY GOM, WHY?!?!??
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
March 15 2011 10:38 GMT
#289
On March 15 2011 19:35 SwizzY wrote:
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On March 15 2011 19:13 Akari Takai wrote:
You could just use Wine. Mac OS X users and Linux users could easily install GOM Player and view it with that while we wait for the Mac version and hopefully later a Linux version to be released.

Tonight I saw this thread and tested it out myself. In the spoiler tags, are the instructions for the latest version of Ubuntu Linux. The instructions could easily be adapter for other versions of Linux, or even Mac, with some tweaking. Here are some pictures showing it working:

[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
Open Terminal, you'll be entering all the commands in the quotes.

First, we need to install Wine

sudo apt-get -y install wine


Then, we need to install the GOM Player

cd ~/Downloads
wget http://software-files-l.cnet.com/s/software/11/65/48/99/GOMPLAYERENSETUP.EXE?e=1300194368&h=e9d31d08ccd13b621b106b23b9670b17&lop=link&ptype=1901&ontid=13632&siteId=4&edId=3&spi=c7500b638ecf8cecf7ecffcb98150797&pid=11654899&psid=10551786&fileName=GOMPLAYERENSETUP.EXE
chmod +x GOMPLAYERENSETUP.EXE
wine ./GOMEPLAYERENSETUP.EXE


Then, we need to add video/audio dependencies to make sure GOM Player works

wget http://winetricks.org/winetricks
chmod +x winetricks
sh winetricks d3dx9 d3dx9_28 d3dx9_36 d3dx10 d3dxof devenum dinput8 dirac directmusic directplay directx9 divx dsound ffdshow quartz xvid


And finally we need to create a wrapper and URI handler for Firefox/whateverbrowser to understand that we want GOM Player to open the stream.

sudo echo '#!/bin/sh/' > /usr/bin/gomplayer
sudo echo 'exec wine "C:\\Program Files\\GRETECH\\GomPlayer\\GOM.exe" "$@"' > /usr/bin/gomplayer
gconftool-2 --set --type=string /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/gomcmd/command '/usr/bin/gomplayer "%s"'
gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/gomcmd/enabled true
gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/gomcmd/need-terminal true


That's it!

During this process the main GOM Player installer window will appear as well as a few other installers. Follow the setup process as you would normally do on a windows computer. There should be no video or sound issues encountered.


So IDK if not being able to use the video player of your choice is such a big deal. GOM Player seems pretty stable. I've been using it as my primary video player for about 3-4 months now, and I've had zero problems with it. If people are having problems with the stream, I suspect that has a lot more to do with stream issues/connectivity issues than not.

Certainly it's not discrimination against OSes. It's just against video players.



I tried to use wine on my Mac for a variety of reasons (join TL'rs in maplestory, certain ROM emulators, etc.) but its sooo technical and I feel like it demands prior knowledge of mac/programming lingo... :/

If I knew even the slightest about any of it I would totally do it though.

It really is a bummer that its impossible for mac users to watch GSL now.. The one match that I am dying to see is Boxer's too.. Gomtv made a channel on youtube for those of you that don't know with free VODS, but they are disgustingly short (stop somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the game) and are basically worthless..

WHY GOM, WHY?!?!??


Buy the premium ticket and watch the vods?
feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
March 15 2011 10:40 GMT
#290
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197195&currentpage=9
New workaround that seems to be allowing most people to get the stream working
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
March 15 2011 10:43 GMT
#291
On March 15 2011 19:31 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 19:26 Baarn wrote:
On March 15 2011 19:13 karpo wrote:
On March 15 2011 19:10 Baarn wrote:
On March 15 2011 17:03 BrosephBrostar wrote:
The issue seems to be with the "GOMTV Streamer" specifically rather than the player in general. Even with older versions of the Windows GOM Player any links generated won't work. If you remember a while ago they moved the standard SQ stream to the paid section and replaced it with a "Test" stream that required GOMTV Streamer. I was still able to watch the stream with the version of GOM Player I've had installed since the SC1 broadcasts using the VLC method, but since yesterday even that doesn't work anymore.

So this isn't about wanting to exclude non-Windows users or forcing people to download the GOM Player. It appears that they just want to use your bandwidth. Personally I find it a little bit hypocritical to ask for money to "support the stream" in order to watch VODs when they're basically forcing you to support the stream anyway through P2P methods.


Pretty much.


P2P restreaming was used at Blizzcon and other large events too. Providing enough bandwidth with low latency from Korea to the US/EU isn't easy. The GOMtv streamer helps out, especially to the parts where latency/routing from GOM->user is bad.


I know how p2p streaming works and why they use it. Thanks for your explanation though it wasn't needed.


Then why quote and agree with a post that complains about the stream using P2P methods?


Because it is a big reason why gomtv wants people to use their player only to watch their broadcast. So I'm agreeing with that. I'm also agreeing giving gomtv any money is a waste of time considering they are using your bandwidth and forcing you to use their windows only client. Yet you are only paying for "vods." I can give a shit about vods so I'm no longer supporting them financially. Oh and any reply from you at this point will go unanswered regarding this topic since you just disagree with anything I post in this thread to the point that I find you obnoxious now.
There's no S in KT. :P
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
March 15 2011 10:44 GMT
#292
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karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 10:52:07
March 15 2011 10:50 GMT
#293
On March 15 2011 19:43 Baarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 19:31 karpo wrote:
On March 15 2011 19:26 Baarn wrote:
On March 15 2011 19:13 karpo wrote:
On March 15 2011 19:10 Baarn wrote:
On March 15 2011 17:03 BrosephBrostar wrote:
The issue seems to be with the "GOMTV Streamer" specifically rather than the player in general. Even with older versions of the Windows GOM Player any links generated won't work. If you remember a while ago they moved the standard SQ stream to the paid section and replaced it with a "Test" stream that required GOMTV Streamer. I was still able to watch the stream with the version of GOM Player I've had installed since the SC1 broadcasts using the VLC method, but since yesterday even that doesn't work anymore.

So this isn't about wanting to exclude non-Windows users or forcing people to download the GOM Player. It appears that they just want to use your bandwidth. Personally I find it a little bit hypocritical to ask for money to "support the stream" in order to watch VODs when they're basically forcing you to support the stream anyway through P2P methods.


Pretty much.


P2P restreaming was used at Blizzcon and other large events too. Providing enough bandwidth with low latency from Korea to the US/EU isn't easy. The GOMtv streamer helps out, especially to the parts where latency/routing from GOM->user is bad.


I know how p2p streaming works and why they use it. Thanks for your explanation though it wasn't needed.


Then why quote and agree with a post that complains about the stream using P2P methods?


Because it is a big reason why gomtv wants people to use their player only to watch their broadcast. So I'm agreeing with that. I'm also agreeing giving gomtv any money is a waste of time considering they are using your bandwidth and forcing you to use their windows only client. Yet you are only paying for "vods." I can give a shit about vods so I'm no longer supporting them financially. Oh and any reply from you at this point will go unanswered regarding this topic since you just disagree with anything I post in this thread to the point that I find you obnoxious now.


Great you find me obnoxious cause i don't agree with you. Seems kinda childish but to each his own.

The reason i disagree is because you feel entitled to stuff GOM explicitly stated wasn't supported. GOM uses your bandwidth the same way Blizzard did for their Blizzcon stream, and that cost money too.

I think GOM have been to slow with the Mac version of the player. But i still believe that GOM have the right to block 3rd party programs accessing their stream as they skew the server balancing and can cause problems for legit viewers.
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 12:24:28
March 15 2011 12:08 GMT
#294
To all those interested, GOM replied on their forums to my thread, I will copy and paste, though their response can be found here:


Dear GOMtv.net Users:

First, we want to apologize for not making the announcement sooner.

There have been some concerns regarding the recent inability of non-Windows users to access the live stream
by means other than GOM Player.

As we have mentioned previously, please understand that we do not support such methods as they could generate
unforeseen techinical issues and security issues that affect our service management stability for GOMtv.net.
Such issues thus affect the users watching live broadcasts via GOM Player negatively.

GOM Player for MAC is in its stability testing stage and will be released soon in order to service the MAC OS users.

Thank you for your understanding.
GOMtv.net



EDIT; As for the Korean beta, it did not work this morning for my mac.
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Honeybadger
Profile Joined August 2010
United States821 Posts
March 15 2011 12:21 GMT
#295
I started restreaming for mac/linux users tonight. Gom had my stream shut down in under 20 minutes. I was streaming the -free- version, not my paid HQ version.
"I like to tape my thumbs to my hands to see what it would be like to be a dinosaur."
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 13:17:49
March 15 2011 12:33 GMT
#296
On March 15 2011 21:21 Honeybadger wrote:
I started restreaming for mac/linux users tonight. Gom had my stream shut down in under 20 minutes. I was streaming the -free- version, not my paid HQ version.


Do you realize how this reads?

"I started breaking the law for mac/linux users tonight. GOM shot me down in under 20 minutes, thankfully it's not worth it for them to sue. Insert something irrelevant about which content was being stolen."

Edit: Oh, hey, 400.
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ShyRamen
Profile Joined July 2010
United States322 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 12:41:09
March 15 2011 12:38 GMT
#297
On March 15 2011 18:33 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 18:09 ShyRamen wrote:
It seems that GOM had a very nice focus on the foreign community so this pro-actively blocking alternative methods of watching the live cast goes against their own foreign-community supporting actions. get it now frenchie ? or still confused ?



See:

Show nested quote +

As we have mentioned previously, please understand that we do not support such methods as they could generate unforeseen techinical issues and security issues that affect our service management stability for GOMtv.net.
Such issues thus affect the users watching live broadcasts via GOM Player negatively.



You don't know what security/network/bandwidth problems may arise from using unsupported 3rd party programs so stop acting like it's not a big deal and trying to victimize yourself and others.

There's a huge difference between wanting to support and help foreigners to the scene and blocking 3rd party programs that interfere with the security, balance and control of the stream servers.


So..

would you be so kind to explain me what kind of security/bandwidth problems may be generated?
Every user gets his own key after the log-in right ? So.. what's up with that ?
how is that such a big issue ? I think it's more likely to be something else but please, I would like to be enlightened as I am not an expert in this subject matter

And we are not trying to victimize ourselves, we are just pissed off because till few days ago we were able to watch the live show (premium members, HQ live) through VLC and now we cannot.

And for those who still say "when you buy the premium you pay for the VODS" aight, but then tell me why the F tasteless keeps sayin "please encourage your friends to buy the premium service, the money does go to improve the stream" - Certainly not the FREE stream right ? So I am assuming the premium money DOES go to improve the HQ premium stream and as paying members we, mac/linux users, have the right to claim some support.

5 and i mean FIVE seasons and still not mac/linux support = VERY weak

I'm not gonna buy next season's premium service until there's a Mac player out and will watch re-streams till then. In fact, I already started doing so even if I paid the premium service cause I can't watch it live anymore

karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
March 15 2011 12:51 GMT
#298
On March 15 2011 21:38 ShyRamen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 18:33 karpo wrote:
On March 15 2011 18:09 ShyRamen wrote:
It seems that GOM had a very nice focus on the foreign community so this pro-actively blocking alternative methods of watching the live cast goes against their own foreign-community supporting actions. get it now frenchie ? or still confused ?



See:


As we have mentioned previously, please understand that we do not support such methods as they could generate unforeseen techinical issues and security issues that affect our service management stability for GOMtv.net.
Such issues thus affect the users watching live broadcasts via GOM Player negatively.



You don't know what security/network/bandwidth problems may arise from using unsupported 3rd party programs so stop acting like it's not a big deal and trying to victimize yourself and others.

There's a huge difference between wanting to support and help foreigners to the scene and blocking 3rd party programs that interfere with the security, balance and control of the stream servers.


So..

would you be so kind to explain me what kind of security/bandwidth problems may be generated?
Every user gets his own key after the log-in right ? So.. what's up with that ?
how is that such a big issue ? I think it's more likely to be something else but please, I would like to be enlightened as I am not an expert in this subject matter

And we are not trying to victimize ourselves, we are just pissed off because till few days ago we were able to watch the live show (premium members, HQ live) through VLC and now we cannot.

And for those who still say "when you buy the premium you pay for the VODS" aight, but then tell me why the F tasteless keeps sayin "please encourage your friends to buy the premium service, the money does go to improve the stream" - Certainly not the FREE stream right ? So I am assuming the premium money DOES go to improve the HQ premium stream and as paying members we, mac/linux users, have the right to claim some support.

5 and i mean FIVE seasons and still not mac/linux support = VERY weak

I'm not gonna buy next season's premium service until there's a Mac player out and will watch re-streams till then. In fact, I already started doing so even if I paid the premium service cause I can't watch it live anymore



I've explained some of this earlier in the thread, cba to do it again. I agree that they should have gotten a Mac version out sooner. I don't agree that Mac users have some kind of right to use workarounds and restreams just cause of this.

I really don't understand how gamers can't get a dual boot or virtual XP to run in less than a hour. Instead people work their asses off with plugins, fixes and workarounds that are shut down as soon as GOM learns about them anyway.
FEiN
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom91 Posts
March 15 2011 12:53 GMT
#299
I was able to watch on VLC this morning, though it was on windows.
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
March 15 2011 12:57 GMT
#300
It's pretty insane how fast they crack down on illegal streams. A couple months ago I was at my friend's house, and he owns a Mac, and we were trying to find a stream on ustream or justin.tv of GSL to watch, and 3 different streams got shut down while we were trying to watch them all within 15 minutes of each other.

I understand not wanting their property massively rebroadcast so that they prevent profit loss, but it's pretty unfair to people without Windows that they aren't even catering to these potential paying customers who don't own it. For at least a portion of the people watching illegal restreams, GOM is forcing it upon them to do so by denying them the ability to use their proprietary player.
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