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On February 06 2013 18:09 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 17:13 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 17:05 phagga wrote:On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
Also,
Phagga, do you have any thoughts about,
VE lurker lynching
Mocsta+Me 'argument'
Short on time. I agree with the lurker lynching early as we cannot differentiate between lurkers and scum later on and we have no mechanic to clear lurkers / confirm them town. Will post more later. I hope you do, thats essentially a re-cap of two pages of thread. I just want to add something shorty in terms of lynching lurkers: D1 lynches are often crapshots, Kitaman analysed in anohter thread that town would be better off RNG the D1 lynch generally than trying to analyse and find scum. Combine this with the beformentioned fact that we have mechanics to differentiate lukers from scum or get rid of them, I therefore embrace a lynch on a lurker on who we cannot get an alignement read, should one be available.
Phagga.
Marv in Mafia LIX proved you can scum hunt day.
As I keep saying I thought the whole point of this game setup was to mitigate lurking. Why are we talking about lurking again, and there prioritization over scum reads?
If u want to counter and gibe the kitamen spiel again. Let's say your RNG plan found traction. Are you suggesting if you were the rolled lynch candidate that you would accept your fate without putting up a fight?
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On February 06 2013 18:26 Mocsta wrote:
Fair enough, but are u implying that you thought his attitude was conducive to an open environment.
Oats has a (recent) tendency to post one liners asking to expound points already clarified. The outcome. Shit questions get shit answers.
Maybe u thought I over stepped the line in dissing him. But he was going out of his way to cherry pick sentences in a paragraph. For day1 i have been trying to promote discussion. I would contest he was actively killing the discussion. When did he promote an alternative?
If you want to judge me as null fine. But don't imply he is a saint in this but referencing only me.
I never wanted to imply those things. I see Oats behaviour as disruptive, and I see how he misinterpreted your posts. It is also fine that you call him out on this, it's just the way you did it on a few occasions that got my attention.
On February 06 2013 18:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 18:09 phagga wrote:On February 06 2013 17:13 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 17:05 phagga wrote:On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
Also,
Phagga, do you have any thoughts about,
VE lurker lynching
Mocsta+Me 'argument'
Short on time. I agree with the lurker lynching early as we cannot differentiate between lurkers and scum later on and we have no mechanic to clear lurkers / confirm them town. Will post more later. I hope you do, thats essentially a re-cap of two pages of thread. I just want to add something shorty in terms of lynching lurkers: D1 lynches are often crapshots, Kitaman analysed in anohter thread that town would be better off RNG the D1 lynch generally than trying to analyse and find scum. Combine this with the beformentioned fact that we have mechanics to differentiate lukers from scum or get rid of them, I therefore embrace a lynch on a lurker on who we cannot get an alignement read, should one be available. Phagga. Marv in Mafia LIX proved you can scum hunt day. As I keep saying I thought the whole point of this game setup was to mitigate lurking. Why are we talking about lurking again, and there prioritization over scum reads? If u want to counter and gibe the kitamen spiel again. Let's say your RNG plan found traction. Are you suggesting if you were the rolled lynch candidate that you would accept your fate without putting up a fight?
First, I never ever wanted to suggest we RNG the votes! That would kill of discussion and is absolutely unnecessary. I just wanted to say that statistically, random lynches on D1 would be more successful than what town normally is doing, hence lynching lurkers (who can be a liability for town later on) D1 is a viable option. Nevertheless, our goal has to be to find scum and lynch them, starting D1.
How the D1 lynch should go down IMO:
- If we have a clear scum suspect, let's lynch him
- If not, but there is a lurker who we can not get any alignement of, lynch him.
Finally, only because the setup SHOULD mitigate lurking does not mean there will be no lurkers.
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Hey Palmer.
And GUISE I FOUND SCUM.
ITS MOCSTA.
Tell me about Mocsta Palmer
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On February 06 2013 17:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why is that a scumtell? Can't Mocsta be town and think you're serious? Or couldn't he be town and, as you say, misinterpret what you're saying to gauge your reaction? Why does he have to be scum based on that?
The reason its a scumtell is because,
1. It is clearly a joke, and everyone knows it. So therefore Mocsta cant possibly think I am serious
2. The reason why he as town would NOT try and contest that is because, he knows its a joke, therefore not alignment indicative, and thus is null, there is absolutely no reason to bring it up. Except to laugh at it. Heh.
The way Mocsta attacked it was subtly saying that I am a hypocrite because I attacked him for doing the same thing, in his words.
However, he didnt say that the sentence was scummy, condemn me for personally attacking another player, which is the 'normal' way to it.
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Oats.
Im going to be as civil about this as possible.
We have personal differences and will rarely ever see eye to eye on the same matters.
Im not saying either of us is right. Just we both think we are right.
Lets leave it as that and move on. If u genuinely think i made a scum slip sure pressure me. But seriosuly i think your clutching st straws
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On February 06 2013 18:26 Mocsta wrote:
Fair enough, but are u implying that you thought his attitude was conducive to an open environment.
Oats has a (recent) tendency to post one liners asking to expound points already clarified. The outcome. Shit questions get shit answers.
Maybe u thought I over stepped the line in dissing him. But he was going out of his way to cherry pick sentences in a paragraph. For day1 i have been trying to promote discussion. I would contest he was actively killing the discussion. When did he promote an alternative?
If you want to judge me as null fine. But don't imply he is a saint in this but referencing only me.
@ Mocsta
What is your read on Oats right now ?
Also regarding the nomination mechanics, I think we should keep this for nomination events.
It gives scum an easy way to participate to the discussion and maybe give them ideas on hpw to use these mechanics at best. I think we can see which strategy they decide to use when we know the nominees.
@ everyone
I saw that phagga brought up the statitics gathered by kita lately. Debears also mentioned it in LVIII and I shat on it because I was scum and him town at that point, but I would like to see how a random lynch would work out for this day1. I would like to propose a way to randomize the lynch in my next post.
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The reason why we dont use random lynching is cause no useful discussion happens.
As it stands, less then half the players have posted so far.
Palmer.
Hi.
Is not acceptable for day 1. Please elaborate.
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On February 06 2013 20:01 Oatsmaster wrote:The reason why we dont use random lynching is cause no useful discussion happens. As it stands, less then half the players have posted so far. Palmer. Is not acceptable for day 1. Please elaborate.
This post was the 1131th post from Oast. I propose to use this number as the number to get our lynch candidate for today ! I'm going to give numbers from 0 to 11 to the players after me in the filter list and calculate 1131 modulo 12 which gives 3.
This random lynch on Oastmaster has one chance over three to hit scum which is better than the average scum lynch on d1.
So I propose a random lynch on Oast. I'm pretty sure I'm going to generate discussion.
## Vote Oats
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Wow Djo,
Nice way of determining your random lynch lol.
What is modulo?
The reason why this isnt gonna generate discussion is because,
Either people say, yeah random lynching sounds like a good idea, or
No it sounds stupid. Neither of those generate useful discussion so therefore the day 1 lynch will be purely a coinflip that leaves us with NOTHING day 2.
Also im not scum so you are wrong.
Any serious scum reads?
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On February 06 2013 19:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Stop buddying me.
After the olive branch i extend.
This is what you write?
Are you fucking serious?
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On February 06 2013 19:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
The way Mocsta attacked it was subtly saying that I am a hypocrite because I attacked him for doing the same thing, in his words.
However, he didnt say that the sentence was scummy, condemn me for personally attacking another player, which is the 'normal' way to it.
I didnt say the sentence was scummy, because I didnt think the sentence was scummy.
Whats your point; your rational for why it is a scum tell is weak, and clutching at straws. Not only that, its poor scum hunting, because everyone else knows its clutching at straws; so you cant achieve anything by submitting for discussion either.
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Answer the questions please :D
@ Mocsta
What is your read on Oats right now ?
Also Djo's idea
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I didnt say the sentence was scummy, because I didnt think the sentence was scummy.
Then why did you link to me saying that you were scummy?
Wasnt the point to say that you thought the same thing?
On February 06 2013 16:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
================== My thoughts using your words. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
And I dont know why a town player would do this, therefore you are scum.
OHOHO
Guys, we have a contradiction here
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On February 06 2013 20:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wow Djo,
Nice way of determining your random lynch lol.
What is modulo?
The reason why this isnt gonna generate discussion is because,
Either people say, yeah random lynching sounds like a good idea, or
No it sounds stupid. Neither of those generate useful discussion so therefore the day 1 lynch will be purely a coinflip that leaves us with NOTHING day 2.
Also im not scum so you are wrong.
Any serious scum reads?
Modulo 12 gives you the integer left when you divide a number by 12. This way I'm assured to get a number between 0 and 11.
Also I don't want people to discuss on the random lynch, I want people to discuss on your lynch which.
I proposed this because I don't have strong scumreads so far and also because most of the players didn't post yet.
Mocsta play reminds me of his play in the last newbie where he was scum, accusing people to not particpate in the pointless early game discussions and focusing on town atmosphere type arguments. The thing is that he did similar things in the games he was town but not in the game he replaced in. Slightly scum on Mocsta.
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On February 06 2013 19:57 Djodref wrote:
@ Mocsta
What is your read on Oats right now ?
Also regarding the nomination mechanics, I think we should keep this for nomination events.
It gives scum an easy way to participate to the discussion and maybe give them ideas on hpw to use these mechanics at best. I think we can see which strategy they decide to use when we know the nominees.
@ everyone
I saw that phagga brought up the statitics gathered by kita lately. Debears also mentioned it in LVIII and I shat on it because I was scum and him town at that point, but I would like to see how a random lynch would work out for this day1. I would like to propose a way to randomize the lynch in my next post. (1)
I have a leaning town read on Oats. As scum, Oats has a tendency to puff out his chest in front of mice; and whimper in a corner in front of a lion. To him I am not a lion, but his one-track mindness on him being right, is in my opinion a confidence obtained by being town.
(2)
Nomination mechanics: I agree its not validity to discussion at this point in time (not even half the players have inputted).. but I think it needs to be discussed at the latest after Day1 lynch (i.e. Day2 dawn phase).. the things I already listed are not rocket science. its probably things everyone else has alraedy considered, thus, its not like im developing a super-awesome battle plan that no one else can figure out. The setup is out in the open, and I think its beneficial to discuss with town the potential ramifications; it is our way of indirectly influencing scum options. Why not take this little advantage?
(3)
As for RNG, im not in favour. If you do that, might as well not play forum mafia, and just play in excel, where each person is a number. And every 2minutes you lynch someone randomly, until no players remain. I would think 9-4 ratio results in town winning a vast majority. If thats your cup of tea, go ahead be my guest; but Im not in support of that actoin.
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So Djo, what about my lynch?
You voted me, under the guise of the random lynch.
Now you are telling people to discuss it, maybe you should start it off?
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On February 06 2013 20:27 Oatsmaster wrote:I didnt say the sentence was scummy, because I didnt think the sentence was scummy. Then why did you link to me saying that you were scummy? Wasnt the point to say that you thought the same thing? Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 16:53 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
================== My thoughts using your words. On February 06 2013 11:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
whats the point of writing this.
On February 06 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
And I dont know why a town player would do this, therefore you are scum.
OHOHO Guys, we have a contradiction here
How? I didnt say anything you nob head, I found your posts and pointed out something you would have said to me; if i had made the joke to VE.
Stop making a fool of yourself and (un)intentionally misconstruing everything i say.
As I said before, your wit is as usefull as a football bat; and that my retort to you went over your head, makes my point clearer.
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On February 06 2013 20:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 19:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
The way Mocsta attacked it was subtly saying that I am a hypocrite because I attacked him for doing the same thing, in his words.
However, he didnt say that the sentence was scummy, condemn me for personally attacking another player, which is the 'normal' way to it.
I didnt say the sentence was scummy, because I didnt think the sentence was scummy. Whats your point; your rational for why it is a scum tell is weak, and clutching at straws. Not only that, its poor scum hunting, because everyone else knows its clutching at straws; so you cant achieve anything by submitting for discussion either.
@ Mocsta
I propose a radom lynch on Oats today.
Are you in ?
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