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On February 06 2013 15:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta I'm intrigued by your posts regarding the nomination phase. However I'm going to suggest/request that you save it for AFTER the dawn phase of D2 so that scum aren't given instructions on how you're going to view nominees they put up. It's going to be clear enough after D2 because we're going to have to lynch into their choices - but if we can go all of D1 without speculating on who and why scum will send up D2 I think that's going to be a net gain for town. I disagree. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 12:04 Mocsta wrote:
The choices scum have for nomination will be based on the status quo of the ODD days; so it is paramount to consider ODD day play for EVEN day nomination. Having said that, I am going to hold off further strategy talk due to: fuck all people online. Need some others to contribute. @SnarfWhat do you make of VE wanting to bury all nomination mechanic talk till the nominations are released?
I think it's a null tell. Town would do it if they wanted to shift the focus off of WIFOM. Scum would do it if they thought it was in town's best interests to be talking about the setup. I've personally never cared for too much setup speculation as most of my scum hunting success has come from observing what they actually do, not guessing at what they should be doing.
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Switzerland2194 Posts
Hi all. I generally will not be around at deadlines, around this postings time will probably be the earliest you see me post. You can find my game history in my profile.
@Mocsta
On February 06 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
You realise that your post structure is mimicking your play from Mafia LIX right? (You were scum)
Agreed, the things I am writing about are not revelations. Is this game that solved for you, that anytime someone writes something it has to be 100% original and never heard of before? Is that your criteria of good town play?
If you want me to expound on what constitutes solid town play. It is to avoid the copying your play.
And I will comment on this for one last time.
The game is not as simple as "lynch the scummiest player"; otherwise scummy looking town like you would be insta-voted off. This game requires more reason and effort put into cases to identify motives behind actions.
If you cant see that, you may as well quit and let someone who wants to take this game seriously replace you.
What was your rationale behind posting the bolded part?
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VE, you posted you would prefer nomination discussion to be held post Day 2 Dawn - when scum lynch candidates are released.
My motive for the quote was along the lines of: the candidates are going to be chosen based on play Day 1. Yes that statement is obvious, hoever what I am trying to highlight is that effort needs to be made to make the decision for scum difficult.
I listed 4 scenarios scum can take; we can't control that decision. What we can CONTROL is the viability of one of those options - to me, this is of benefit to town as it reduces WIFOM choices.
I thought my message(s) were clear cut, but, perhaps I am not communicating myself effectively. If not, please let me know.
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On February 06 2013 16:26 phagga wrote:Hi all. I generally will not be around at deadlines, around this postings time will probably be the earliest you see me post. You can find my game history in my profile. @Mocsta Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
You realise that your post structure is mimicking your play from Mafia LIX right? (You were scum)
Agreed, the things I am writing about are not revelations. Is this game that solved for you, that anytime someone writes something it has to be 100% original and never heard of before? Is that your criteria of good town play?
If you want me to expound on what constitutes solid town play. It is to avoid the copying your play.
And I will comment on this for one last time.
The game is not as simple as "lynch the scummiest player"; otherwise scummy looking town like you would be insta-voted off. This game requires more reason and effort put into cases to identify motives behind actions.
If you cant see that, you may as well quit and let someone who wants to take this game seriously replace you. What was your rationale behind posting the bolded part?
Hi Phagga
Covered here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395690¤tpage=11#211
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Ok Mocsta,
What do you propose to improve the quality of the town players?
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No I get that part Moc and I totally agree - join me in my crusade against the unholy lurker demographic and we'll purge this town.
We're all three of us (you me and Oats) saying the same thing...that everyone needs to contribute. I think the breakdown is that we all seem to have different motives when we actually don't.
Oats = Shut up and scumhunt
Moc = Improve town atmosphere
VE = Kill the lurker.
I submit that in the name of moving the game forward, we all recognize that those three conclusions are all means to the same end: finding and eliminating scum. In this way, we can all focus on what matters: the posts of those who haven't contributed yet. What do you say guys? Truce?
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Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
Also,
Phagga, do you have any thoughts about,
VE lurker lynching
Mocsta+Me 'argument'
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I can work with that.
I did think Snaffs was onto something when he hinted me n oats wanted the same thing.
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On February 06 2013 16:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok Mocsta,
What do you propose to improve the quality of the town players?
Back to the one liner posts. You know in Mafia LIX, I kept saying in the Obs QT when you do it, its scummy as fuck.
No one believed me.. except the flip.
As for your question. I dont propose how anyone else does that besides myself.
I have already stated what actions I will be taking.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395690¤tpage=10#198
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On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
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My thoughts using your words.
On February 06 2013 11:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
whats the point of writing this.
On February 06 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
And I dont know why a town player would do this, therefore you are scum.
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Look Mocsta, if you are gonna insinuate that I am scum all day long, I suggest you look at my TOWN games before commenting on my '1 liners'
That post is non-alignment indicative and it DOES not tell me whether you are town or not. Well done.
Again
I am going to be open and transparent in my play. I will be as forthcoming as I can with my scumreads and thoughts at any point in the game. I expect that my actions and motives will speak louder than my words.
This is standard and par for the course for optimal play, which says that you either feel the need to 'tell' everyone that you will play townie-like or you think the rest of us are stupid.
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On February 06 2013 16:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
================== My thoughts using your words. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
And I dont know why a town player would do this, therefore you are scum.
Because I am clearly not serious and over-exaggerating things in order to create humor.
You however, were completely serious and therefore are scummy.
You know whats a scumtell?
Interpreting obvious jokes as being serious in order to 'pressure' the player.
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Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
Also,
Phagga, do you have any thoughts about,
VE lurker lynching
Mocsta+Me 'argument'
Short on time.
I agree with the lurker lynching early as we cannot differentiate between lurkers and scum later on and we have no mechanic to clear lurkers / confirm them town.
Will post more later.
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Why is that a scumtell? Can't Mocsta be town and think you're serious? Or couldn't he be town and, as you say, misinterpret what you're saying to gauge your reaction? Why does he have to be scum based on that?
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Oats,
Stop getting over-defensive. Now you have to spell out actions.
If you couldnt tell my post was a joke, you have problems.
And your comment regarding my intentions is stupid. You admit yourself it is "optimal play'.. well no shit, why you think I am striving for that. Im not trying to re-invent the wheel.
Again you are flinging shit at an active participant, and for what purpose?
Still, no one is contributing; and the one guy who does, you tell him to "fuck off" whether joke or not.
Lay off the juice and give others a chance to input into the thread.
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On February 06 2013 17:05 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
Also,
Phagga, do you have any thoughts about,
VE lurker lynching
Mocsta+Me 'argument'
Short on time. I agree with the lurker lynching early as we cannot differentiate between lurkers and scum later on and we have no mechanic to clear lurkers / confirm them town. Will post more later.
I hope you do, thats essentially a re-cap of two pages of thread.
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Speaking of players who mysteriously vanish once shit-flinging starts, OHAI SNARFS
Jeez I guess that wasn't much of a scumtell after all, huh guy? 
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Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 06 2013 17:13 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 17:05 phagga wrote:On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
Also,
Phagga, do you have any thoughts about,
VE lurker lynching
Mocsta+Me 'argument'
Short on time. I agree with the lurker lynching early as we cannot differentiate between lurkers and scum later on and we have no mechanic to clear lurkers / confirm them town. Will post more later. I hope you do, thats essentially a re-cap of two pages of thread.
I just want to add something shorty in terms of lynching lurkers: D1 lynches are often crapshots, Kitaman analysed in anohter thread that town would be better off RNG the D1 lynch generally than trying to analyse and find scum. Combine this with the beformentioned fact that we have mechanics to differentiate lukers from scum or get rid of them, I therefore embrace a lynch on a lurker on who we cannot get an alignement read, should one be available.
Regarding you, Mocsta, I don't agree with VE that you tried to establish a good town atmosphere. You are writing calm, but some things you posted like
Oats, this game is obviously too much of a step up in difficulty for your current forum-mafia skill level.
Just quit and let someone that knows how to play replace you.
are not helping creating a good town atmosphere. Did you really think Oats would say "oh well, I guess he's right, can I get a replacement GMarshal?"
This subtle stabs have a tendency to poison town atmoshpere much more than the shouting of Oats did, and I did not like this at all. Considering that everything else you posted is barely alignement indicative, I'll be interested to see more from you.
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Switzerland2194 Posts
EBWOP: ...that we don't have mechanics to differentiate lukers from scum or get rid of them...
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Fair enough, but are u implying that you thought his attitude was conducive to an open environment.
Oats has a (recent) tendency to post one liners asking to expound points already clarified. The outcome. Shit questions get shit answers.
Maybe u thought I over stepped the line in dissing him. But he was going out of his way to cherry pick sentences in a paragraph. For day1 i have been trying to promote discussion. I would contest he was actively killing the discussion. When did he promote an alternative?
If you want to judge me as null fine. But don't imply he is a saint in this but referencing only me.
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