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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I dont have a tendency/history of looking like scum, IT WAS 1 game. A very bad game. Well yes, if all 3 candidates are town reads, which I think could be likely especially in the first few days, then we lynch the least useful so far. I dont see why we have to speculate on who scum would send up.. Just lynch the scummiest person. EASY. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395690¤tpage=10#198 I did not simply summarise the OP as a way to contribute without contributing. Im actually applying some thought process into how this nomination mechanic works, and how scum may try to use it to their advantage. A method that I raised to reduce the WIFOM potential of the nomination mechanic, is to overall increase town quality of play to thus, REDUCE the number of townie-looking scum. In effect lowering the possibilities scum have at hand for creating confusion. Hence, I indeed view discussions pertaining to the nomination mechanic as beneficial. The choices scum have for nomination will be based on the status quo of the ODD days; so it is paramount to consider ODD day play for EVEN day nomination. TL;DR I dont think this game is as simple as "lynch the scummiest person". We know from every single game played, there is usually a mislynch. This game is even harder, as without any blue roles to aid in "confirming townies" greater effort must be put in to avoid continuation mislynches - scum hunting must always take precedence. As such, Oats, I think you are missing the point of this game; and should re-read my post that I linked above. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
BLABLABLA lets lynch the scummiest person. Seriously thats all you are saying. A method that I raised to reduce the WIFOM potential of the nomination mechanic, is to overall increase town quality of play to thus, Yeah, this also works in normal, non nomination games. All the things you are saying also applies to standerd games, which makes it fucking useless. I dont think this game is as simple as "lynch the scummiest person". It is. Ok if you disagree, then in 3 lines or less, say why. Also expound on how we should scumhunt and raise the quality of play | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Agreed, the things I am writing about are not revelations. Is this game that solved for you, that anytime someone writes something it has to be 100% original and never heard of before? Is that your criteria of good town play? If you want me to expound on what constitutes solid town play. It is to avoid the copying your play. And I will comment on this for one last time. The game is not as simple as "lynch the scummiest player"; otherwise scummy looking town like you would be insta-voted off. This game requires more reason and effort put into cases to identify motives behind actions. If you cant see that, you may as well quit and let someone who wants to take this game seriously replace you. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
[b]##Vote: Mocsta If you want me to expound on what constitutes solid town play. It is to avoid the copying your play. You cant even be bothered to seriously help town. Just snipe at Oats for playing badly. I think you dont understand my meaning of the scummiest player. For me, its the player who is mostly likely gonna flip scum. I guess for you its a unsuspicious character who has some scummy play. Oh. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
##Vote: Mocsta | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 06 2013 12:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Im not scum here and thats all that matters. Right, we are meant to take that at face value and keep you in till the bitter end? If so, you have managed to rank much higher on my stupid-o-meter after a handful of posts, than you did all game Mafia LIX. You say I am not helping town? All you have done is try to fling shit at the only active participant thus far. Great help your doing. Oats, this game is obviously too much of a step up in difficulty for your current forum-mafia skill level. Just quit and let someone that knows how to play replace you. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Oats, this game is obviously too much of a step up in difficulty for your current forum-mafia skill level. Just quit and let someone that knows how to play replace you. Shitting on people is not cool. And I dont know why a town player would do this, therefore you are scum. It makes ABSOLUTLY no sense that a town player would tell you 'UNINSTALL, LEAVE PLEASE YOU SUCK' | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Well. So anyone other than Mocsta that want to butt in? I would appreciate it. :D | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
So far, your play is about reacting to minute details in early-game posts trying to promote discussion. You are trying to shit all over them, without providing additional avenues for discourse. There is nothing solid in your play so far. This leads me to think: (1) You are bad townie / scummy townie - don't know any better (2) You are bored - trying to troll (3) You are scum - trying to derail You don't typically try to troll; so its (1) or (3). The win-con for town is to lynch all (3); and I already suggested prior we need to improve post quality to reduce the number of (1)s. Hence, either way, your current behaviour is a problem for town. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 06 2013 11:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Well yes, if all 3 candidates are town reads, which I think could be likely especially in the first few days, then we lynch the least useful so far. Why do you think there is high potential for the nomination candidates to be all town? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Explain how I am not promoting discussion. Also, this seems eerily familiar to your start in Newbie mafia XXXV where you were scum. I wonder why | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On February 06 2013 13:40 Mocsta wrote: Why do you think there is high potential for the nomination candidates to be all town? The reason I think so is so we are forced to lynch a potentially strong player before they really 'hit' their stride. Also, it is better for Scum in the long run that there are useless and uninvested townies which will only become evident after the first few days. For example, Austin was pretty involved day 1 in LIX, however his activity dropped off tremendously. However, I think we should discuss this tomorrow and spend today scumhunting. Difficult to do with only me and you :/ I realise that the sentence could be misconstrued as I am assuming you are town. In fact, I think you are scum, but its early days, and premature burial is not a thing I am fond of. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 06 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Go on, Explain how I am not promoting discussion. Also, this seems eerily familiar to your start in Newbie mafia XXXV where you were scum. I wonder why Fair comment. we did butt heads (me scum, you town). But I think this exchange has gone differently.
As I said previously, we dont have blue roles to provide confirmed townies. The challenge presented is thus much greater. I dont (and still dont) think you appreciate this fact; and i think that is a big problem. Having said that, I am going to stop pushing this agenda. Theres enough posts on the matter. Its your decision. Maybe when someone of more forum-mafia credibility addresses this, it might make you realise. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
The challenge that this game presents is that we cant wifom about nk's. There are no night kills to provide information on who mafia thinks is important to kill. I think that is more important than no Blue roles. I like how you just discredited yourself. heh. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 06 2013 13:46 Oatsmaster wrote: The reason I think so is so we are forced to lynch a potentially strong player before they really 'hit' their stride. Also, it is better for Scum in the long run that there are useless and uninvested townies which will only become evident after the first few days. For example, Austin was pretty involved day 1 in LIX, however his activity dropped off tremendously. A key point point of this game was to have experienced people playing; to remove the aspect of useless and uninvested players. Those strong town players shouldn't be voted off early; those are the guys who know how to be pro-town and establish themselves, if the top three town reads are up for nomination, I suspect it will be town read #3 that gets lynched for being the "least" useful". But yes I agree, we need more people talking than just us two. So going back to work, catcha later. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 06 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I am thoroughly confused. Blue roles aren't all that important. The challenge that this game presents is that we cant wifom about nk's. There are no night kills to provide information on who mafia thinks is important to kill. I think that is more important than no Blue roles. I like how you just discredited yourself. heh. Seriously, I want to walk away, and keep seeing stupid posts. I have to learn to resist. The lack of NKs creates even more WIFOM. Mislynched townies will present a plethora of information. Who led the wagon, who bandwagoned, did disruptions occurs. These are more applicable then ever; because it is the sole method for mafia to remove someone that is a thorn in their plans. As for blues, I cant believe I have to spell this out for you. Most games, people use blues to confirm townies by setup, not by scum hunt. We dont have that ease of access. This game is like turning off all "driving aids" when going on the race track. We doing this thing for REALZ. And yes I discredited myself and so what. I dont have forum respect/cred; so I can understand you for not listening to a guy with 5 games. But if a vet feels the same way I do, you would probably listen. Thats being a realist. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 06 2013 11:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Also, WHERE DID YOU GO VE? Hmm, disappear while two other players start shitting up the thread? Congrats VE, you're already #1 on my list. ##vote VisceraEyes As far as the voting mechanics go, it really is a ton of WIFOm. You're both saying the same thing in different ways. Yes, we lynch scum and we need to not look scummy. Yes, scum is going to try to trick us into debating ad infinitum about the composition of their nominations. That pretty much ends the discussion, doesn't it? Look very closely at everything the nominees say and lynch the scum. No need to over complicate it. If it comes down to multiple people contributing well to town, we can discuss it then. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Do you have any conclusions about the 'discussion' between me and Mocsta relating to our alignments/ | ||
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