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Starburst
Profile Joined November 2011
United States108 Posts
February 01 2012 07:26 GMT
#261
On February 01 2012 15:47 JWD wrote:
Mani recently asked me for some advice on clothes via PM. I'm posting an edited version of our conversation here, in case anyone else would like to read/comment. I figured Mani's situation is a common one among TLers (who, of course, are always starting new and prestigious jobs that require a nicer wardrobe).

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Original Message From Manifesto7:
My job is six days a week, every week, so the vast majority of my resources should go for work clothes. The times that I would need more casual clothes would be for going out with festival group friends or the wife once a month (since usually we just go out after work in work clothes, or I go to hockey practice, or I stay at home in my pajamas).

I can probably put together about 2000 bucks, maybe a bit more if the spirit moves me. I can find just about anything in Osaka. I have two watches that I already like so I don't need that.

Given that outline and budget, think you could jot down some head to toe pointers on how I should fill out my wardrobe? Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Mani


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Original Message From JWD:
preliminary q: are you ok with me posting this response in the "Men's Fashion Thread"? it occurs to me that other people might want to take a look/comment.

okay, here are my thoughts. as long as you do not anticipate any more significant changes in your body type, you should spend your $2000 on a handful of high-quality versatile staple items that you will enjoy wearing and can count on looking good both casually and at work (so, e.g., 1 belt is perfectly fine). as you get a feel for what you like and what your wardrobe lacks, you can think about buying more clothes.

I'm sure it's possible, but tbh I've found it very difficult to make smart purchases when setting out to "buy new clothes" en masse. so I think it's great that your budget is right around what will allow you to get some basic items in your closet. if your experience is anything like mine, you will be surprised at how much use you can get out of a few staples — if you mix up, say, only your shirt, tie, and pocket square and wear the same shoes, belt, jacket, and pants every day, you can look good and fool a hell of a lot of people into thinking you have a normal-sized wardrobe (the average person seems to associate "dressing well" with "having a lot of clothes").

if your only requirement at work is that you wear a tie, I think you should go with trousers/jacket combo rather than a suit. this is slightly more casual, but will make your $2000 go much further. a good suit could wipe out that $2000 itself, and would be much less versatile.

also note that I'm going to leave outerwear out of this, because it is not a priority on a $2000 budget. outerwear is not necessary for much of the year and you may be able to make do with what you already have (side thought: I recommend making much use of a local tailor to save what nicely-made clothes you already own. massive alterations are possible, especially to simpler clothes like pants).

finally, many of the brands I will recommend you are American and may have more accessible Japanese alternatives. I encourage you to make good use of http://styleforum.com and...uhh...google, I guess, to find similar options in Japan. I don't know anything about buying clothes there, but can tell you that Japan is viewed as a hub of men's style to rival the UK/Italy.

to be safe, I assume that you know what I knew before I started reading anything about clothes (basically nothing). apologies if I mention stuff you're already aware of.

oh, and one more thing: this is all imo, obviously. I try to adhere to established, classic/traditional rules of dressing, so I don't think anything I recommend will be out of the norm for stylish men. but mine is just one opinion, and this is just one way of looking at dressing well. given that I can only give good advice that's consistent with my sense of style and within my area of knowledge, the best way I could think of to approach your question is to explain almost exactly what I'd buy in your situation. hopefully you can extract from this very particular explanation bits and pieces of advice that you think are worth following.

shoes (~$300): I think you should start with the advice that I gave on shoes in my most recent blog post.

pants (~$550): given how often you will be in work clothes, I would put off buying denim and instead focus on 2-4 pairs of nice trousers. I'm thinking 1 winter (wool/flannel/tweed in navy, dark grey, or dark brown), 2 all-year (khaki/chino/twill in navy, khaki, grey, or olive), and 1 summer (linen/tropical wool in a pastel). higher-end brands I would look at are Unis, Incotex, and Epaulet. lower-end are J.Crew (I like the "Urban Slim Fit" alright — fear not the stupid name), Dockers, and Rugby. beware going too casual (especially when looking for "chinos"); I would not buy any material that you can't get a crisp crease down the leg of. in general, keep in mind that it is infinitely easier to dress a clothing item down than it is to dress it up.

jacket (~$500): start with one medium-weight navy wool blazer. you can wear this jacket on almost any day. the key to looking good is just to make sure that the jacket fits properly. here is a general guide: http://putthison.com/post/9394551419/three-basic-points-of-fit-waist-shoulder . and here is a dude that I think is a fantastic model for how clothes should fit: http://mostexerent.tumblr.com/tagged/WWIW (lately he has been wearing casual clothes; page through for some suits). the three most common pitfalls are: (1) too-long sleeves (your sleeves should leave about 3/8 inch of shirt sleeve peeking out — no shirt sleeve visible = sleeve is too long); (2) too much room around the waist; and (3) improper jacket length (it should cover your ass, and end somewhere along your thumb in the front).

brands are not so important here because all of the work is in the fit. just look for something that is 2-button and good quality wool (beware under ~$350 retail, and do not buy a jacket without real buttons/buttonholes on the sleeves). a high-end department store is your best bet imo, since I'm not sure what brands will be available and this is definitely an item you want to try on before buying. when you are fitting the jacket off the rack, keep in mind that, though the waist is easy to take in and the sleeves may be shortened or lengthened a little bit (can be tricky, though, with buttons), the overall length of the jacket and the shoulders/chest are basically impossible to change.

after you have your navy blazer game right, the next two jackets to think about are (1) a tweed jacket for fall/winter and (2) a linen jacket for summer.

shirts (~$250): this is a tough category because imo there is nothing worth buying in between a high-quality made-to-measure or bespoke shirt ($300-$400, research your local options) and a cheap off-the-rack oxford cloth button-down ($30-$60 on sale at Brooks Brothers or Rugby). it's also tough because it's the one area where I think there is a true dichotomy between appropriate work wear and appropriate casual wear: imo with a suit or jacket and tie you really want to wear buttonless spread or cutaway collars, but without a tie and without a tie+jacket you want to wear Oxford cloth button-downs (OCBDs). in my experience it is hard to find an off-the-rack OCBD with a collar that will "stand up" properly enough to wear with a jacket (or a jacket+tie).

starting out and with a reasonable budget I think your best bet is to go with cheap OCBDs that have the most jacket+tie-worthy collars you can find (here Rugby is terrible). check Brooks Brothers and whatever other brands are at your local department store (beware shitty fabrics though; look for something that feels nice and has the right weave). keep in mind that you can easily have shirts taken in around the waist (darting, costs like $5-$10/shirt and takes a day at the tailor's) but it will not be worth it to have a tailor perform any other alterations to a cheap shirt. so get shirts that fit you around the neck and shoulders and have a proper sleeve length. this may take some tinkering.

the reason OCBDs are advantageous is that you can wear them in any weather and both with a jacket+tie and casually without. I'd shoot for 5 shirts (1 for each day of the workweek). 2 white, 2 blue

now let me digress a bit on the issue of short-sleeved shirts and wearing a tie without a jacket. any stylish man I know would hate to be caught wearing a tie without a jacket. the tie developed (and still exists, imo) as an accessory to a jacket. ties look even more out of place with a short-sleeved shirt (there's a reason clowns and Dwight Schrute are dressed this way). in general short-sleeved shirts are extremely casual and imo they have no place in a workplace where a tie is standard. plus, they are much less versatile than long-sleeved shirts (e.g. OCBDs) and so are really hard to justify spending money on given any budget.

how to deal with these constraints, especially when it's hot?
(1) when in the zone at work (not in public), like in an office or classroom, it's probably acceptable to take off your jacket and wear your shirt and tie around. this is kind of like kicking off a pair of shoes. don the jacket when you need to go out.
(2) in casual settings (no tie), roll up your sleeves or leave them unbuttoned
(3) above all: choose fabrics carefully. in the Western world there is this funny idea that it is always cooler to wear less clothing. in truth, summer-weight fabrics (here linen is king, but even lightweight cotton can work) can make you feel cooler than wearing nothing at all, by keeping sun off your skin and wicking away sweat. (how else could people in the fucking hottest places in the world wear shit like this every day?). for this reason I think the ultimate solution to dressing well in high heat is just to wear a linen shirt and jacket. in my experience OCBDs will work well enough, though.

on super hot days, you can also pull tricks like carrying your tie and jacket in to work and then putting them on when you're inside AC. the real point is just never to be caught with a tie but no jacket option.

(ofc, your tolerance for heat may be different than mine. just keep in mind the above tips.)

ties (~$200): on a $2000 budget, I'd shoot for 4 ties (counting on the fact that a navy knit is unobtrusive enough to wear twice a week — more on that in a couple sentences). stick to conservative patterns (solids, small geometric patterns, stripes) in basic colors. I think, given your work environment — it sounds like "wear a tie" is the floor for formality — you would do well to buy 2 sold knit ties (1 navy, 1 another color). the knottery has a bunch in good colors at ridiculous prices, but I'm not sure whether they'll ship to you. J.Press and Drakes London are the gold standards (higher quality, like lifetime quality). in general, you might just check a department store/men's clothing store for ties.

anyway: the reason I recommend solid knits is that they are appropriate with any but the most formal getup (certainly appropriate with any jacket+trousers combo), people seem to fucking love them (#1 most complimented item of clothing in my wardrobe is my navy knit), they stand out without being loud, and imo they're much easier to get away with wearing loosely (with top shirt button unbuttoned — an occasional luxury) than a regular silk tie.

pocket squares (~$150): don't neglect these. the advice I always think of is (I read this somewhere): "pocket squares are the reason that your jacket has a breast pocket". it's true, and the main reason I now feel funny wearing a jacket without a PS.

plus, PS are a cheap way to vary what you're wearing. no, you do not need to look like a poof with some obnoxiously bloused-out colorful silk pocket square. I fold mine flat and just let them peek out of my breast pocket.

to start I'd invest in 1 or 2 plain white linen squares and maybe 2 other linen/cotton/silk that you think will match your shirt and tie combos. I try to keep PS and ties real simple, because otherwise they would overpower the rest of my (simple, staple-based, beginner) wardrobe. I'm not really an expert on pocket squares or pattern matching with them, so the only tip I have here is that I've got tons of use out of this J.Press square. the blue edge seems to make it go with everything (plain white square + blue shirt is a bit too much contrast imo, even though I think it is generally accepted that plain white PS can be worn with almost anything).

like shoes, ties and pocket squares are a good opportunity to save $ by buying used (eBay probably your best bet). no big sizing issues, no stink issues, and you can pretty much tell what you're getting from a photo.

belt (~$50): something leather (ok, duhhhh, I know). try to get the buckle to match any metal on your watch/glasses/jewelry and the leather to match your shoes.

a "final purchase" type belt (something top quality that you can use forever) will obviously cost you way more than $50, but, like with the OCBDs, I figure here is a chance to save $ for worthwhile purchases elsewhere by just getting something passable "for now". skimping on PS or ties doesn't make sense because they're relatively cheap and you can literally use a high-quality tie or PS for your entire life. skimping on shoes and jacket doesn't make sense because these are the most crucial pieces of your wardrobe and they're going to be pretty big purchases no matter what.

I'm also including a list that I've started working on, of all the things I'd like to have in my closet in, say, 10 years. it's incomplete (no trousers, e.g.) but maybe it will help give you some idea of clothing items to consider.

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============================= FOOTWEAR =============================

x dress socks, black
X dress socks, navy
x dress socks, khaki
X dress socks, charcoal
X dress socks, grey

o wool socks

X dressy-leaning brown leather shoe (crispy polished)
X casual-leaning brown leather shoe (beat to shit)
X black dress shoe
X navy bucks
casual-leaning black leather shoe (for e.g. clubs; at night comme Sinatra http://refinedcoast.tumblr.com/post/11572640944/theres-no-excuse-for-brown-shoes-past-sundown)
x white canvas sneakers
white bucks
x spring/summer suede chukka
espadrilles
X galoshes
X deep snow-fit boots
brown dress boots

============================ OUTERWEAR ============================

baseball jacket
fallish quilted jacket
x military jacket
X peacoat
x dressy winter jacket, charcoal

X trenchcoat
x casual+lightweight rain jacket, with hood

============================ SUITING/JACKETS ======================

X tweed jacket
X navy wool blazer, single-breasted
navy wool blazer, double-breasted
x navy linen blazer


x grey suit, year-round wool/wool blend
x navy suit, year-round wool/wool blend
charcoal suit, winter-leaning wool
air force blue suit, summer-leaning fabric

tuxedo

============================= SHIRTING ============================

x 2x blue OCBD
x 2x white OCBD
x 1x pink OCBD
x 1x bengal stripe OCBD
x chambray work shirt
x 1x blue dress shirt, cutaway collar
1x blue dress shirt, spread collar
x 3x white dress shirt, spread collar
1x white dress shirt, cutaway collar

=========================== ACCESSORIES ===========================

X navy knit tie
chocolate knit tie
X green knit
deep red knit
purple knit
X various patterned silk ties
black bowtie

x white linen pocket squares
o various colored/patterned pocket squares

4x lapel flower

x brown leather belt
x black leather belt
x blue ribbon belt
white ribbon belt
X brown casual belt

x umbrella

X dress watch, silver/brown
dress watch, silver/black
x casual watch
o NATO straps

X multiple-wrap leather bracelet
braided leather bracelet

nice collar stays

pen

x brown leather briefcase
black briefcase
X brown leather messenger bag
x brown leather weekending duffel
2x tote bags (groceries; beach trips)
canvas rucksack
X large bag
garment bag, business trip satisfactory

brown leather gloves
black leather gloves
x warm winter gloves
X cutoffs
x winter beanie
X casual scarf
dress scarf (dark)

=========================== PANTS AND SHORTS =======================

x swim trunks
x seersucker short
x khaki short

x selvage denim
X white jeans

============================= LAYERING =============================

heavier light denim shirt
x nautical stripe button neck sweater
patterned white knit crew neck sweater
X various other sweaters
X layerable flannel shirt
x rugby



You, sir, win the award for best post I've seen in a long time on TL (excluding MBCgame Article). :p
Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 07:44:09
February 01 2012 07:38 GMT
#262
On February 01 2012 16:07 JWD wrote:
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On February 01 2012 15:35 Quesadilla wrote:
I would never wear 50% of this stuff—a lot of it is really really average. If you want some truly insane style ideas get on Lookbook.nu (or follow some good Tumblr's). Then, figure out what YOU like.

Examples I'm into:
http://lookbook.nu/qmike
http://lookbook.nu/user/69091-Edward-H
http://lookbook.nu/mikakailes

my opinion, fwiw:

the guys in the links you posted dress like boys, not men! I don't know many 20-something dudes who would feel comfortable wearing, say, a bow tie, a huge scarf sans jacket, or pants that skinny on a daily basis. mainly because they have office/corporate jobs, and do not want to look young. I couldn't go in to work in a single outfit that those guys are wearing. (and as I understand it, so far this thread has been about dressing like an adult.)

I have no idea if this is related to what you meant by "really really average", but note that it's super fucking hard to pull of something as simple as a grey suit, solid tie, and solid shirt just right. getting your fit and materials spot on is just a lot of work (or $, or maybe both), and it's these details (not flashy colors, scarves worn for style not warmth, non-traditional uses of niche items like bow ties) that I think make for a distinctively-dressed man. I really believe in the philosophy that, if you are truly dressed well, nobody should your clothes. instead, the average person should notice only that you generally "look good", "are attractive", or seem "competent", "put together" etc.

here is a link to the blog of (to my knowledge and imo) the best-dressed guy who regularly posts pictures of what he's wearing online: http://mostexerent.tumblr.com/tagged/WWIW/

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note that there is nothing super flashy about what he is wearing (patch pockets + that PS are a bit aggressive, but they're details) — he's not beating you over the head with his clothes or trying to make a statement. dude just looks good. what he's doing (all well-tailored and fitted 100% bespoke suiting and shirting, and only high quality ties and PS and shoes) is far from average. it's really hard to accomplish.


I can see what you're saying, but at our specific standpoints, it's clearly a fork in the road. Fashion can be taken two ways. As noted above, you can generally "look good", "be attractive", etc. On the other hand, you can be noticed and get the "Damn, that kid looks good", "Wow, that guy dresses insanely well" and/or "Seems sharp". It completely depends on your end goal and risk-aversion to receiving attention (which I understand in certain business climates, seeking attention is the opposite of what you would want to do.)

Anyway, I have a feeling the thread is probably split in the same manner. A lot of posters are seeking that "Korean" look we're used to around Teamliquid. Koreans definitely don't employ the general "look good" method and take a few risks that average people (at least in the US) don't tend to do. A lot of the average Korean guys wear things like the man you linked, but if you travel over to Hongdae or watch any of the idols on TV, none of them dress so down-played. The same goes for most large cities in the world. For example, I can see throngs of people wearing the 2nd and 3rd pictures posted on his Tumblr. I for one wouldn't ever wear that. It's boring done really well. However, I would never look at somebody wearing that and scoff at it. He's dressed well, there's hardly room for argument. It's just not my goal.

It does depend on the job. For everyone who's not in corporate finance or law, but rather involved with something like tech start-ups (me) or media, you could jock a whole lot of the outfits on Lookbook with ease (see 1, 2, 3, etc.). I live in Orange County right now and know a whole lot people in their 20's and 30's who want to dress that way. If this is a reserved adult thread, then so be it, but it doesn't account for a massive group of people aiming to be a bit different. Looking young actually tends to be a sought-after attribute. Not "boyish", but with sense.

edit: Great post for Mani
Make a lot of friends. Wear good clothes. Drink good beer. Love a nice girl.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 07:48:38
February 01 2012 07:44 GMT
#263
thoughtful post Quesadilla. the only things that jump out at me (and might explain why we think differently) are that I don't feel like I am important or hip enough to dress like the hottest celebrities, and that, for me personally, looking too young is a much greater concern than trying to look young.

to be clear, I hope you keep posting here (and that people with all sorts of taste) post here because it woud kinda suck not to have a good variety of opinion.

edit: and yea, disclaimer, I'm going into a relatively formal profession
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
February 01 2012 07:48 GMT
#264
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
February 01 2012 07:49 GMT
#265
On February 01 2012 16:48 boesthius wrote:
goddammit jwd u stole my thunder, he pm'd me as well. i wrote this big huge post earlier today but my computer crashed, so i told him i'd write another but you literally have it all covered. my pm was nearly identical hahahaha.

MANI U PLAYED US!!!
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 08:12:45
February 01 2012 07:58 GMT
#266
dance my pretties!

edit - Just for context to my PM and JWD's response, I am entering a new work place with much a much more formal dress code. So, considering that I am starting from scratch I wanted some guidelines. Obviously, JWD blows me away.
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 08:19:23
February 01 2012 08:18 GMT
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
February 01 2012 08:25 GMT
#268
shoes look nice boes. no way they come with those sharp green laces though, right?
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
February 01 2012 08:29 GMT
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javy_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1677 Posts
February 01 2012 08:36 GMT
#270
On February 01 2012 17:25 JWD wrote:
shoes look nice boes. no way they come with those sharp green laces though, right?


no, he bought the laces from here: http://benjos.com/store/
♪~( ̄。 ̄)
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
February 01 2012 08:49 GMT
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Starburst
Profile Joined November 2011
United States108 Posts
February 01 2012 08:58 GMT
#272
On February 01 2012 17:18 boesthius wrote:
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On February 01 2012 15:28 GrayArea wrote:
On February 01 2012 15:25 Gatsbi wrote:
On February 01 2012 15:02 GrayArea wrote:
Ok guys, I'm going to return my box-toe shoes and buy these ones instead:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_06737538000P?ci_sku=06737538567&ci_src=14110944&i_cntr=1328076104293&sid=IDx20070921x00003a

What do you guys think of these shoes? I'm going to be wearing them with a black suit.

EDIT: When I was browsing the site, I just saw these shoes:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_06762227000P?mv=rr
I have tried on the first link shoes, but not these ones. They look to be more shiny than the original link I posted, and almost the same style. Hopefully the store I go to tomorrow has these in stock so I can try them to see if I like them better. What do you guys think of these shoes?


I think those are going to last you 3-6 months before they fall apart. If you are on a strict budget, go ahead. But a pair of Allen Edmonds (I suggest Park Avenue or Strand) will last you 5-10+ years and cost around 300-350 bucks.

Way out of my budget. I won't be wearing these shoes every day, only on special occasions. They should last me long enough. Also, what makes you say that they will only last 3-6 months? I have some cheap sneakers that I got for way cheaper that have lasted me more than a year with me wearing them almost every day.

3-6 months is a little bit of a hyperbole, but as you said since you'd only really wear them on special occasions it's not that big of a deal. However, there's a great big deal that goes into the construction of a shoe - and investing in a pair of $3-400 shoes (like, as he suggested, some Allen Edmonds) is a.) more practical and b.) a better investment. The biggest thing that you'll find between a shoe that you can pick up at Macy's (say an Alfani) and an Allen Edmond is the sole. With higher end shoes, you'll find that the soles of the shoes are actually sewn on, whereas lower end will be fused by an adhesive like glue. This is a pretty big deal, in that you can actually replace the soles which is incredibly cheaper than buying another pair of shoes. Also, with the materials and the way the shoe is constructed, with proper care you can have shoes last a good 10+ years. Here's a great video (and a regular post here) from the putthison blog that goes really in depth into shoemaking and can/will answer your questions better than me.

Since we are talking about shoes, I posted on facebook recently about how much I want these Cole Haan's plain oxford's. Such a simple shoe, but so hnggggg:

[image loading]

His cuffing could be better, but that's not the focus.


You bring up a point I've had questions about. What are some good guidelines for cuffing? I have trouble deciding on length when I switch between boots, driving moccasins, and my sambas/converses.
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 09:09:20
February 01 2012 09:05 GMT
#273
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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
February 01 2012 09:17 GMT
#274
I'd like to know the general consensus on hair. Facial and on the top of your head.

How do you wear it?
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
February 01 2012 10:08 GMT
#275
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Pawsom
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States928 Posts
February 01 2012 10:29 GMT
#276
Those shoes are dirty and for the cost of a pair of laces (think navy or red?) you could wear them twice a week every week haha
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
February 01 2012 10:33 GMT
#277
I miss your piratestache, Boes. R.I.P.

I kinda agree with him, though. Unless there's a specific style you're willing to taylor around that you can make look good, either grow a full beard or keep it shaved.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
February 01 2012 11:56 GMT
#278
On February 01 2012 19:08 boesthius wrote:
There's only 2 sides with a mustache - you can either rock it or look like a pedophile. I loved it when I had a mustache, however I looked like I was a cop from the 1970's so it didn't stay long:

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NationInArms
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1553 Posts
February 01 2012 12:15 GMT
#279
Does a black half-zip sweater, white shirt, black belt, semi-dark blue original straight jeans, and black and white (the original style) converse shoes go together?
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Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
February 01 2012 12:52 GMT
#280
On February 01 2012 21:15 NationInArms wrote:
Does a black half-zip sweater, white shirt, black belt, semi-dark blue original straight jeans, and black and white (the original style) converse shoes go together?

I don't think I'm particularly fashionable, but for what it's worth I never liked white sneakers with jeans tbh. Too Jerry Seinfeld for me.
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