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raynpelikoneet
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kitaman27
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heist
United States720 Posts
Final Vote Count for the Jackal Lynch that saved iGrok day 2: Greymist chaoser Radfield Drazerk raynpelikoneet jcarlsoniv TranceStorm OriginalName I'm almost positive there's at least one more mafia in here. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Early in the game, Pyo had some really bizzare interactions with Radfield. From my perspective, it seems as if he is trying to distance himself from Radfield, yet it really sounds unnatural. On September 20 2011 18:10 Pyo wrote: I'm a little suspicious of radfield to be honest his analysis seems too good and too "correct." I'm mostly referring to this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11445752, but others as well. I won't advocate lynching him in case he really is that good (mafia will likely kill him soon if he's actually town), but I'd warn against reading too much into his assertion that people who stuck with their day 1 votes are automatically more scummy than the people that switched... feels like a convenient way for scum to sheep votes onto people. (Note, I'm town and I kept my vote on bugs because I felt like he was lying/being deceptive about his role claim/posting restriction... which he was) Apparently Radfield is scummy because his case was too good? That doesn't even make sense. On September 21 2011 03:55 Pyo wrote: you aren't the boss of me... I don't like the fact that you're telling me that I have to vote for one of those 3. You followed/led the lynch of Erandorr and no one really gave you any shit for it. Is it just me, or is this just a really bad attempt at scum to scum dialogue? He pretends to get upset with Radfield and later writes a lackluster analysis against him, at a time there was absolutely no chance he was going to get Radfield lynched. On September 24 2011 13:48 Pyo wrote: His behavior is consistent with 3rd party (so I suppose you could call it scummy); your behavior is consistent with mafia. His claim is at least believable; your claim seems super hasty... You just quickly copy-pasted your safe claim without thinking it through. I'll repeat, there's no way the chick that shoved a sword through the Nazgul's face is just vanilla town. But I'll tell you what, if you flip green, I'll vote for iGrok tomorrow... if he isn't offed during the night. He insists iGrok's behavior is third party, yet never explains why. Earlier in the day he calls iGrok out for saying something scummy, yet refuses to believe he is actually scum. Note how he pretends to be willing to vote iGrok, yet pushes it off to another day while he aims for a mislynch. On September 24 2011 05:53 Pyo wrote: How about this, we let iGrok tell us who to lynch. We lynch that person and when that person flips red, we let him live another day (no promises beyond that), or if that person flips not red, we vig/lynch him. I think at this point, it's worth risking a one-for-one for the chance at a free scum kill. pyo immediately backs iGrok's attempt to cause another mislynch when he claims to have found Saruman. Keep in mind that a mafia kp was likely on the line at the time of this claim. On September 26 2011 22:12 Pyo wrote: If I were mafia, I would totally name Saruman in that situation. If the accusation got ignored and iGrok was lynched anyway, Saruman would gain a shit ton of town cred for being accused by scum, while if the bandwagon really did form, then iGrok's nonsense would have been "confirmed." Either way, scum gain a "confirmed not mafia" status for one of them. After the flip, he immediately takes a different stance. This is one of the biggest contradictions that makes me suspicious of him. He goes from "cool iGrok has given us Saruman" to "lol mafia would obviously name a Saruman because he was desperate". On September 26 2011 08:45 Pyo wrote: In case you all forgot, he claimed Éowyn, shieldmaiden of rohan and VANILLA town, if that wasn't the shittiest fake claim ever... Pushes a policy lynch. On September 28 2011 06:27 Pyo wrote: If Kitman is scum, then he somehow knew that you were the one responsible for radfield, which makes you scum. Alternatively, kitman is telling the truth, which means you're telling the truth which makes him town and you 3rd party or town. Either way, I don't see a scenario where we should lynch kitaman before you. This is the trap I mentioned earlier. Pyo knows in his mind that I'm holding onto the mason claim with radfield. He is hesitant to ever push me because he knows I could claim at any moment. Instead, he weakly defends me with awful logic, saying that if I'm scum, chaoser must be scum. On September 28 2011 09:20 Pyo wrote: what the hell? Haven't we learned anything about last minute vote switching? I mean I was totally wrong about ON, but damn dudes, last minute vote switching is never a good idea. Conveniently shows up after the lynch, criticizing town about how awful the last minute vote switch was. He has been pushing ON nearly the entire game, yet pretends to be upset that we switched to him. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 30 2011 10:20 heist wrote: Actually, I'll be changing my vote to trancestorm. Final Vote Count for the Jackal Lynch that saved iGrok day 2: Greymist chaoser Radfield Drazerk raynpelikoneet jcarlsoniv TranceStorm OriginalName I'm almost positive there's at least one more mafia in here. Could you provide a case against Trance, rather than just a voting list? What seperates him from rayn or jcarl? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Kita and Drazerk, I will be more inclined to listen to your opinions (obviously) because you're confirmed town. But why is there no focus on GGQ? All game, the ONLY person he focused on was iGrok. Like, unwaveringly. Now, I think it is highly likely that iGrok was meant to be bussed the entire time he was alive. Town was just too derpy to do it (not excluding myself). GGQ pushing iGrok so hard without really any other posts directed at anything else raises flags for me. On September 26 2011 06:18 GGQ wrote: Hey guys, birthday weekend was busy, lol, but I see we finally got iGrok. This SHOULD go without saying, but we now kill people that tried to save iGrok yesterday. There's no point flipping over backwards trying to convince yourself that people could be scum when there's perfectly good scum standing right there. Basically, "No point in looking at me, the person who pushed iGrok the whole time (in the very few posts I made), when we can attack some perfectly juicy townies". On September 28 2011 09:47 GGQ wrote: I think I'm supposed to be modkilled =/ Have mercy, curu? I can catch up on the thread tonight If I'm modkilled, chaoser is 99% the sk, cyber, pyo, and heist are probably the mafia At least one of them are scum. Possibly two of them. If GGQ were to flip scum, this post seems like it would try to clear these players. ##vote GGQ | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 30 2011 10:56 jcarlsoniv wrote: Sorry for the lurking lately. Busy day. Kita and Drazerk, I will be more inclined to listen to your opinions (obviously) because you're confirmed town. But why is there no focus on GGQ? All game, the ONLY person he focused on was iGrok. Like, unwaveringly. Now, I think it is highly likely that iGrok was meant to be bussed the entire time he was alive. Town was just too derpy to do it (not excluding myself). GGQ pushing iGrok so hard without really any other posts directed at anything else raises flags for me. To be honest, I've haven't really been paying much attention to him for the exact reason you seem to think he is scummy. The one problem with the bus theory is that GGQ was on iGrok even before he came out with the third party claim. Considering all the town cred Radfield lost on day two working to save iGrok, I'm not sure that would have planned to bus him from day one. What are you thoughts on Trance and pyo? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 30 2011 11:09 kitaman27 wrote: To be honest, I've haven't really been paying much attention to him for the exact reason you seem to think he is scummy. The one problem with the bus theory is that GGQ was on iGrok even before he came out with the third party claim. Considering all the town cred Radfield lost on day two working to save iGrok, I'm not sure that would have planned to bus him from day one. What are you thoughts on Trance and pyo? I think your Pyo analysis is good. I feel either Cyber or Trance is scum, just not sure which. I have no problems lynching Pyo, but I definitely want GGQ to actually do something. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 30 2011 11:13 jcarlsoniv wrote: I think your Pyo analysis is good. I feel either Cyber or Trance is scum, just not sure which. I have no problems lynching Pyo, but I definitely want GGQ to actually do something. Agreed. Everybody needs to be contributing. There are a bunch of people who are really not pulling their weight so close to LYLO. | ||
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Archon_Toilet
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On September 30 2011 11:15 kitaman27 wrote: Agreed. Everybody needs to be contributing. There are a bunch of people who are really not pulling their weight so close to LYLO. I'm ok with either a pyo or cybercheese vote | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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As for Cyber_Cheese and TranceStorm. I doubt they are both mafia becouse they have both been under accusations last night/this day and they have argued pretty much vs each other. They might both be town however. If they are, arguing against each other is IMO stupid too. Cyber can actually prove himself as town i believe. Cyber_Cheese, i assume you could have PM conversations during a day (based on the point that Pippin had PM abilities, why wouldn't Merry have them)? Can you have a PM conversation with someone during the day? | ||
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Pyo
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Day 1 he proposes an awful idea about the ring, and drops it only after DrH points out basically same that other players have done before. On September 19 2011 07:32 TranceStorm wrote: Ok, I will explain myself. At the moment that I had voted earlier, you were the best candidate out the three that were presented (WBG, you, and Jackal). I presented my case on why you were the best lynch candidate at the time. I still believe that some of your actions were scummy, particularly your initial vote for Jackal without much justification and your later refusal to back off of him - but now that a much better candidate has been given, clearly I should switch to him. I could say the same about you sheeping along as well. When you were holding your vote on Jackal, you said that you doubted that you would move it off. Now that a 'better candidate' has been found, you've moved off as well. prplhz's voteswitch was the most justified one, given that he was in danger to get lynched. Why wouldn't he vote for someone who made a BIG mistake as he knows himself he is town for sure? Also, i have suspected all the people he said Errandor was lying, which he clearly wasn't. Noone even ever answered me about that. :/ On September 21 2011 05:51 TranceStorm wrote: @Cyber_Cheese You really have been tunneling me all game, so I will respond to some of your arguments. I made a bad plan, I get it. We've already established that. It was an idea I had and I asked for input from other people to improve the plan, instead, everyone decided to say the plan was a bad idea so I dropped it. Why are you focusing only on Dr. H's response to the plan? A dismissive response says absolutely nothing at all. For example, I am making a dismissive statement about your arguments; does that mean we are secretly cooperating with each other? There were many other responses saying that it was bad. That takes up a majority of your large post. Then you say that I jumped onto different bandwagons until I settled on the easy target of Errandor. Take a minute to think about that. If I were mafia, I would already know that prplhz was a townie and could keep my vote on him and pretend to be afk knowing that a townie would be lynched on day 1. After Errandor got lynched, I could stand around and shout "damn! I wasn't there to stop the lynch! Of course Errandor was innocent" (like many people did say). Moving from prplhz only increased the suspicion on me, something which a mafia would not do (which is why I don't suspect OriginalName either, since he moved in the same way that I did). That's why mafia would do that, and tie themselves to "stupid townies" too. On day 2 he sayd iGrok definetly deserves a lynch, but suddenly in the end he switches to Jackal (i agree, many of us did that). And basically the the thing that TS & CC have been on each other the whole game. I agree CC seems to me more scummy, but as i said i believe he can prove he's town if he really is Merry. Or could Merry be mafia safeclaim given that Pippin was in the game? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 30 2011 23:17 Pyo wrote: you kids never learn... you're really gonna go with another last minute vote swap/bandwagon? w/e ##vote: cyber_cheese lol last minute vote swap? My analysis was hardly last minute. Do you have no response? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On September 30 2011 23:17 Pyo wrote: you kids never learn... you're really gonna go with another last minute vote swap/bandwagon? w/e ##vote: cyber_cheese So you don't believe Cyber_cheese's claim? Why? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 30 2011 23:17 Pyo wrote: you kids never learn... you're really gonna go with another last minute vote swap/bandwagon? w/e ##vote: cyber_cheese 7+ hours left hardly constitutes last minute | ||
Mig
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Raynpelikoneet suddenly exploded in a fiery ball of death! Beregond Hello and welcome to Middle Earth! You are Beregond, Guardsman of Gondor, Vanilla Townie. ![[image loading]](http://lotr.org.ua/heroes/beregond.jpg) Unfortunately you have only your voice and your vote. You win then Evil has been purged from Middle Earth. | ||
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