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On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote:
slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.
Toad's aggression towards you is completely null. You seem to be playing into your town meta so far, but I really won't know for sure until your first/second case.
Your comment on Toad's aggression doesn't really mean much since he explained himself. What is my town meta and how am I playing to it?
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On September 04 2012 08:20 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:02 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Errr... well I wasn't planning on anyone taking that image seriously. I hate town circles. They're distracting to discussion and give people easy outs to "look" townie by "contributing" as opposed to scumhunting. I hate blue-oriented discussion in general really - it makes it easier for mafia to snipe blue roles by testing player reactions. Hell the idea of publicly determining blue actions is silly, considering it gives mafia the one information advantage that town has over mafia. Could you clarify what you mean by this point?
Basically when someone goes and says "I got roleblocked" or "I was hit as a vet last night" scum now know something that previously only a townie knew.
I don't think this is true all the time, as sometimes it's critical to get this info out to the rest of town, but I can see where Hapa is coming from
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how would scum not know who got roleblocked or hit
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On September 04 2012 08:24 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:20 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 08:02 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Errr... well I wasn't planning on anyone taking that image seriously. I hate town circles. They're distracting to discussion and give people easy outs to "look" townie by "contributing" as opposed to scumhunting. I hate blue-oriented discussion in general really - it makes it easier for mafia to snipe blue roles by testing player reactions. Hell the idea of publicly determining blue actions is silly, considering it gives mafia the one information advantage that town has over mafia. Could you clarify what you mean by this point? Basically when someone goes and says "I got roleblocked" or "I was hit as a vet last night" scum now know something that previously only a townie knew. I don't think this is true all the time, as sometimes it's critical to get this info out to the rest of town, but I can see where Hapa is coming from
NONONOONONO
As town ALWAYS tell town if you got hit/roleblocked unless some weird setup or something.
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On September 04 2012 08:24 BlackMamba24 wrote:
how would scum not know who got roleblocked or hit
Because if they hit a vet, they wouldn't know whether it was a medic, a vet, or whether their member got roleblocked.
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No I want Hapa to answer for himself. Hapa, what did you mean by the bolded line?
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Shady Sands and everyone else, go read the setup before posting any more. Then talk specifics rather than generalities (There are no vets so don't theory talk about them cause they don't exist).
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On September 04 2012 08:26 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:24 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 08:20 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 08:02 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Errr... well I wasn't planning on anyone taking that image seriously. I hate town circles. They're distracting to discussion and give people easy outs to "look" townie by "contributing" as opposed to scumhunting. I hate blue-oriented discussion in general really - it makes it easier for mafia to snipe blue roles by testing player reactions. Hell the idea of publicly determining blue actions is silly, considering it gives mafia the one information advantage that town has over mafia. Could you clarify what you mean by this point? Basically when someone goes and says "I got roleblocked" or "I was hit as a vet last night" scum now know something that previously only a townie knew. I don't think this is true all the time, as sometimes it's critical to get this info out to the rest of town, but I can see where Hapa is coming from NONONOONONO As town ALWAYS tell town if you got hit/roleblocked unless some weird setup or something.
Why?
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On September 04 2012 08:28 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:24 BlackMamba24 wrote:
how would scum not know who got roleblocked or hit Because if they hit a vet, they wouldn't know whether it was a medic, a vet, or whether their member got roleblocked.
well you obviously insta-claim any RB and you insta-claim any hit you took. You don't have to tell what made you survive.
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On September 04 2012 08:28 slOosh wrote:
No I want Hapa to answer for himself. Hapa, what did you mean by the bolded line?
Mafia don't know what blues are going to do. Mafia's not going to know who the medic is saving or the blue is checking on a nightly basis, and can't play around their actions. Why should we publicly telegraph blue actions and give away the information advantage that blues hold?
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On September 04 2012 08:23 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote:
slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.
Toad's aggression towards you is completely null. You seem to be playing into your town meta so far, but I really won't know for sure until your first/second case. Your comment on Toad's aggression doesn't really mean much since he explained himself. What is my town meta and how am I playing to it?
Your town meta from when I have played with you is to herd the rest of the town. Pointing out information (like with the 2kp thing) and taking issue with not just the content of posts but the style. You try to make the town play how YOU want them to play. The rest of your meta doesn't really come into play until cases start being made.
I am making note that you just used me to defend yourself though, which I do not like.
And Toad's aggression isn't null because he explained it. It is null because it is. Either alignment has plenty of cause to go after you like Toad did. Scum could want to start the mudslinging early and look aggressive and confident. Town may have just not liked what you wrote.
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On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote:
slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.
Toad's aggression towards you is completely null. You seem to be playing into your town meta so far, but I really won't know for sure until your first/second case.
... so getting rid of a player (BM) is always a good thing even if he's town? What, is leaving him alive D1 a mafia win-condition or something?
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On September 04 2012 08:32 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:28 slOosh wrote:
No I want Hapa to answer for himself. Hapa, what did you mean by the bolded line? Mafia don't know what blues are going to do. Mafia's not going to know who the medic is saving or the blue is checking on a nightly basis, and can't play around their actions. Why should we publicly telegraph blue actions and give away the information advantage that blues hold?
Alright, just making sure, specifically directing blue actions is stupid. We should however publicly claim all rb and shots.
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On September 04 2012 08:36 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:23 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote:
slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.
Toad's aggression towards you is completely null. You seem to be playing into your town meta so far, but I really won't know for sure until your first/second case. Your comment on Toad's aggression doesn't really mean much since he explained himself. What is my town meta and how am I playing to it? Your town meta from when I have played with you is to herd the rest of the town. Pointing out information (like with the 2kp thing) and taking issue with not just the content of posts but the style. You try to make the town play how YOU want them to play. The rest of your meta doesn't really come into play until cases start being made. I am making note that you just used me to defend yourself though, which I do not like. And Toad's aggression isn't null because he explained it. It is null because it is. Either alignment has plenty of cause to go after you like Toad did. Scum could want to start the mudslinging early and look aggressive and confident. Town may have just not liked what you wrote.
Where did I do that?
And your response to Toad's aggression is itself null for you, regardless of what it is for him.
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On September 04 2012 08:37 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote:
slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.
Toad's aggression towards you is completely null. You seem to be playing into your town meta so far, but I really won't know for sure until your first/second case. ... so getting rid of a player (BM) is always a good thing even if he's town? What, is leaving him alive D1 a mafia win-condition or something?
There are players on TL that will be unreadable, comes lategame (via trolling). The idea is that getting rid of these vets creates a better chance for town lategame. I don't agree with such a policy, cause scum could be using it to try and lynch a vet.
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Things seem to have progressed quickly. I thought I would post to let you guys know I had popped into the thread. I look forward to playing with you all. (especially my XXIV alum.)
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On September 04 2012 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Things seem to have progressed quickly. I thought I would post to let you guys know I had popped into the thread. I look forward to playing with you all. (especially my XXIV alum.)
Hey DP! Surely there's something you can comment on in the ~2 pages of the thread so far
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On September 04 2012 08:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Things seem to have progressed quickly. I thought I would post to let you guys know I had popped into the thread. I look forward to playing with you all. (especially my XXIV alum.) Hey DP! Surely there's something you can comment on in the ~2 pages of the thread so far
Yeah I am sure there is. I am just getting breakfast and then I will read through the thread properly.
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On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote:
slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.
Toad's aggression towards you is completely null. You seem to be playing into your town meta so far, but I really won't know for sure until your first/second case. I dislike you voting a veteran based on meta. You don´t kill veterans, you wait for them to either 1) crush the scumteam or 2) get shot in the night. If they live too long without doing any good, THEN you maybe consider killing them based on meta.
On September 04 2012 07:49 Miltonkram wrote:First things first, here is a list of games I've played in and links to my filters from those games. I start all my games with a list like this because it helps me improve. If I'm scum, I have to avoid playing closely to my scum meta. If I'm town, I put pressure on myself to make good reads. The list is spoilered so as not to take up space. + Show Spoiler +I've got to go to work... on Labor Day T.T I'll be back in several hours. Leave me something to come back to. Too long, didn´t read.
I´m not usually basing my reads upon meta that the player himself provided.
On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote:
My general stance is that every blue should ultimately do what they want. The environment of this game should not be about confirming blues and then doing what they say. Just because someone is innocent does not make them right in their convictions or accusations so it isn't of too much help really except for process of elimination.
If a town plan arises I'm not gonna be a part of it but I advice blue players to use their own judgment. Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc.
Don't bother asking me for my reads because I will never post a list of reads and I hate it when other people post "reads". Thanks. What do you mean with the bolded part? It doesn´t make sense to me.
On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive?
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I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town"
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