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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 00:12 GMT
#261
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.




The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.

That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.


There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2012 00:16 GMT
#262
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 00:17 GMT
#263
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2012 00:19 GMT
#264
Yaaaay. Howbout answering my question instead of throwing your vote around like that. Feeling threatened or something?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 00:20 GMT
#265
On September 04 2012 09:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Yaaaay. Howbout answering my question instead of throwing your vote around like that. Feeling threatened or something?

how about reading the setup
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
September 04 2012 00:21 GMT
#266
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

Its basically a miller role that the town knows about why not?
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 04 2012 00:22 GMT
#267
On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli

need an honest answer. What do you consider worse:

a) People not thinking while posting / reading
b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2012 00:22 GMT
#268
Yeah I know what the role does, so what about it? I'll ask a question if I don't understand something.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
September 04 2012 00:24 GMT
#269
On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli

need an honest answer. What do you consider worse:

a) People not thinking while posting / reading
b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him.

Trick question both.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Rewok
Profile Joined September 2010
40 Posts
September 04 2012 00:24 GMT
#270
Had some family stuff come up and wont be able to post untio tomorrow morning est. Sorry. will stay read up and post thoughts reads etc though.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 00:25 GMT
#271
On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli

need an honest answer. What do you consider worse:

a) People not thinking while posting / reading
b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him.

lol... could you have asked this more rhetorically?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 00:26 GMT
#272
On September 04 2012 09:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah I know what the role does, so what about it? I'll ask a question if I don't understand something.

there is no information given to the role, it is a VT that (randomly) visits people. If a tracker or watcher see me on their check it could lead to a stupid mislynch
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 04 2012 00:27 GMT
#273
On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote:
I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town"
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase:

On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc.
:3
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
September 04 2012 00:27 GMT
#274
On September 04 2012 08:30 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 08:26 grush57 wrote:
On September 04 2012 08:24 Shady Sands wrote:
On September 04 2012 08:20 slOosh wrote:
On September 04 2012 08:02 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?


Errr... well I wasn't planning on anyone taking that image seriously.

I hate town circles. They're distracting to discussion and give people easy outs to "look" townie by "contributing" as opposed to scumhunting. I hate blue-oriented discussion in general really - it makes it easier for mafia to snipe blue roles by testing player reactions. Hell the idea of publicly determining blue actions is silly, considering it gives mafia the one information advantage that town has over mafia.

Could you clarify what you mean by this point?

Basically when someone goes and says "I got roleblocked" or "I was hit as a vet last night" scum now know something that previously only a townie knew.
I don't think this is true all the time, as sometimes it's critical to get this info out to the rest of town, but I can see where Hapa is coming from


NONONOONONO
As town ALWAYS tell town if you got hit/roleblocked unless some weird setup or something.

Why?


Town needs all the information possible.
Mafia will already know this information.If it was a blue vigi shot then the blue willl already know and they won't have to tell town without outing themselves. Mafia will know if there were vigi shots because they killed the other people.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 04 2012 00:30 GMT
#275
On September 04 2012 09:25 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli

need an honest answer. What do you consider worse:

a) People not thinking while posting / reading
b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him.

lol... could you have asked this more rhetorically?

yeah probably.

Answer?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2012 00:32 GMT
#276
On September 04 2012 09:26 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah I know what the role does, so what about it? I'll ask a question if I don't understand something.

there is no information given to the role, it is a VT that (randomly) visits people. If a tracker or watcher see me on their check it could lead to a stupid mislynch


Ah thanks for clearing it up. I'm just a bit wary of D1 claims in general after having seen SnB's "self-aware miller" claim in DeathNote Mini Mafia, justified or not.

On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli

need an honest answer. What do you consider worse:

a) People not thinking while posting / reading
b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him.


Howabout c) People who pick fights with people who are trying to start conversation (slOosh) for the sake of picking fights?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 00:33 GMT
#277
On September 04 2012 09:30 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:25 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli

need an honest answer. What do you consider worse:

a) People not thinking while posting / reading
b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him.

lol... could you have asked this more rhetorically?

yeah probably.

Answer?

well you think its b. your wording says that, and I agree.

however it completely depends on the situation.

to play devils advocate, many TL towns have been blinded by stupid discussions about players that take up a lot of the thread and often lead to tunnelling and mislynches. If a simple defense post could avert this it would be better to have that post.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
September 04 2012 00:35 GMT
#278
@Toad Im still confused about the vote on slOosh. You didn't agree with him for starting a useless discussion and that's grounds for keeping your vote on him?
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 04 2012 00:36 GMT
#279
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.




The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.

That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway.
:3
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 04 2012 00:36 GMT
#280
On September 04 2012 09:32 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:26 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah I know what the role does, so what about it? I'll ask a question if I don't understand something.

there is no information given to the role, it is a VT that (randomly) visits people. If a tracker or watcher see me on their check it could lead to a stupid mislynch


Ah thanks for clearing it up. I'm just a bit wary of D1 claims in general after having seen SnB's "self-aware miller" claim in DeathNote Mini Mafia, justified or not.

Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli

need an honest answer. What do you consider worse:

a) People not thinking while posting / reading
b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him.


Howabout c) People who pick fights with people who are trying to start conversation (slOosh) for the sake of picking fights?

well sloOshs post has done nothing so far. My post was the reason we're having this discussion instead of talk about vigs or the 2KP change, which is, as already pointed out, an incredible easy topic for mafia to cover and blend in while people who are talking about reads, even if they're minor, have to stand their ground at least somewhat.

Yes I totally see how that got to be malicious


On September 04 2012 09:35 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Toad Im still confused about the vote on slOosh. You didn't agree with him for starting a useless discussion and that's grounds for keeping your vote on him?

There never was a vote on him to begin with lol
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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