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On July 13 2011 11:35 Chezinu wrote: Nisani201 has threaten Chezinu Banking and its loyal members. Failure to comply must be punished.
##Vote Nisani201 wut
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On July 13 2011 11:12 chaos13 wrote:Sorry for my relative lack of activity guys, I've been busy with company all day. I'll be able to post more tomorrow. First off: heist, start thinking for yourself. To begin with, Kurumi makes a brief post about how syllo's posting isn't like his town play. With no evidence of how it compares or of how it is scummy, you hop along and agree with it Now you're doing the same with nisani. Form your own opinions and explain them, or I will be forced to conclude that you are scum. Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 07:29 Radfield wrote: Nisani, how is chaos13 playing protown? He's only made two posts.... I also have to support this. Either you're (correctly) getting a town read on me because you are genuinely analyzing my posts, or you are mafia attempting to gain town cred later on. I have to admit that two posts isn't anything to go on, whether you gain a town or a scum read. Step up your game as well. Chezinu, why should I join your bank group?
I really didn't see Kurumi's post on syllogism. I was questioning why a townie would want to figure out blue roles. As for nisani, I'm following up on my other post stating my suspicions on nisani.
My strongest read of scum was on Sandroba who found Kurumi scummy for really no reason other than attacking radfield. Then he simply drops him to focus his suspicions on ON and nisani. he would be my number one suspect if not for that the fact that I agree with him on nisani.
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Radfield's Fall
>insert a statute falling image here<
I would leave Radfield alone. I seriously would if I saw anything redeeming him. There are a couple of things missing in the picture with Radfield's play in this game. #1: No suspects. Radfield suspects... noone. + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2011 07:29 Radfield wrote: I don't see the case on OriginalName. His posting looks legit for the moment.
Sandroba looks fine for now as well, though I'll admit I'm a bit biased, partly because he was posting the things I was thinking, partly because he was my scum buddy last game.
Nisani, how is chaos13 playing protown? He's only made two posts....
missed a quote tag there chez... i'm disappointed. Look, this is how Radfield talk about people. "He is town." "He is town too." "Town too." Pretty easy to say as scum. Radfield literally found 0 scuminess in people so far. #2: Scum-driven actions. A) Role fishing. + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2011 05:00 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 04:54 Jackal58 wrote:On July 13 2011 04:47 Radfield wrote: Why did you post this? I made it clear I was role fishing, no bones about it.
To ensure that everybody saw it and was aware of it. Most people I've ever seen fishing for roles were scum. Fair enough, but I made it awfully clear what I was doing. + Show nested quote +I find it likely that there are certain pro-town abilities(investigations, medics, etc) that require money to activate. Trying to learn what players roles are is all mafia is. Being able to peg someone as a definite red/blue is extremely handy. Why the heck would You want to know if someone was blue? To out them? Slip the information? Send PM about someone's role to wrong person? Role fishing IS NOT a Town trait. Town has absolutely no need in knowing who is blue. Everything Town needs to know is who is scum and who is town. You don't search for blues, You search for TOWN! The priority of course is scumhunting, but if someone behaves Town You have one person less to think about. B) Shady contracts So let's list what Radfield wanted to buy: RPG (every town needs one, of course!) Votes (You know, we have a Mayor election this game) Bulletproof Vest (hai guise thanks to vest i survived night 1 i am totally not scum thanks to that so don't hit on my scuminess silly boys, my scum bro "sold" me one) What Radfield sold: Gave 25,000 Kronos to Chezinu
So let's sit down and think a bit. How good would be to have an excuse for surviving Night 1 as scum? Amazing! BPV fits in the pattern. Votes? That was searching for SK. The first person to sell his/her vote is likely a SK. How good would be allying with one? How awesome, 2KP! Also we don't know if Radfield speaks truth about noone selling his vote. It is highly likely there's a deal between Radfield and Chezinu. C) Excuses + Show Spoiler +QUOTE] On July 13 2011 05:25 Radfield wrote:On July 13 2011 05:03 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote: Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?
Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi. Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 04:35 sandroba wrote: 1) I'm not advocating a lurker lynch 2) I'm not defending Radfield
That said he does not strike me as scummy and I would rather we pressure really scummy people like kurumi and nisani. Sandroba I don't see in any way how Kurumi is more scummy at this point than Radfield based on actions alone. On the contrary, Kurumi is pointing out what exactly makes Radfield our leading suspect (although the BP contradiction is quite bs). role-fishing is one of the scummiest things to do. Isn't it a bit suspicious that radfield folds on his trap after one line of inquiry? That said, is he super-scummy? No but I like his chances at flipping red more than a lurker's. I have zero votes heist, and in no way shape or form am I the most scummy player in this thread. However, given that certain players seem to be bent on spending their time focused on me today, here is my proposal: Set aside your suspicions for 1 cycle. If by day 2 you still think I am the best target for a lynch, then push me with all your might. However, in the meantime, stop focusing on my terrible first post that had apprx 3 minutes of thought, and instead look around at the other players in the thread. I am confident that by day 2 my posting will have spoken for itself. [/QUOTE] "Hi guys, I scumslipped, but could You forget about it for a moment? Like, one night so I can use MY ADDITIONAL KP TO FUCK YOU OVER?" Sure Radfield, I am totally letting You go. About the "I am confident that by day 2 my posting will have spoken for itself" just read his posts after that one, if You find someone who he suspects, a plan, anything green, tell me. He's posting utter crap, getting in deal with Chezinu and talking how everyone is town without much evidence. Also something else: Radfield is sure he will be alive Day 2. ##Vote Radfield No.
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Fuck me, that's actually a valid analysis.
The point about really wanting to delay the lynch by one cycle is especially damning. As town you'd simply prove your innocence through pro-town posting and not worry so much about staying alive for one night.
I spoke with Radfield in detail last night. re-reading the IRC logs now.
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Radfield
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I appreciate your zest here Kurumi, but you're way off base. First off, I have several suspects, but am PMing other players and those suspects in an effort to build a case. This includes you, but you never responded to my PM, did you? There is very little going on in the thread, which is why i've sent 30 PMs so far this game, to about 7 different players. However you're right that I don't have a lot of red reads right now, but i'm working on it.
You keep saying I was trying to find blues...? That makes no sense. I was trying to find players eager to sell their vote, which would peg them as either blue OR RED.
I never gave chezinu anything. He gave me 1000000 free chezbucks because I was trying to wrangle a good deal from him.
I dont understand your serial killer stuff. Your really digging hard here to try and build a case against me.
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Anyways, after PMing around, it seems we have several options for the lynch today: Originalname, Sandroba, and Nisani. Syllogism I was initially suspicious of, but the fact that he was trying to break the game in a pro-town way scores him enough points to get past Day 1 for me. Chez is too much fun to get rid of,
Sandroba: As I've stated I don't think lynching sandro is a particularly good play, especially since he seems to have something cooking for Day 2 with GM.
OriginalName: My first impression of ON is that he is legit, but frankly his posting is very neutral and tending towards posting for the sake of posting. I'm not totally sold on him though, which leaves...
Nisani: Currently my best bet for today's lynch. His first post was super scummy(as sandro pointed out) and it hasn't really improved.
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Am I the only one who feels Nisani is just the new guy of choice who gets steamrolled because he isn't experienced enough at the game? I did have a conversation with him last night that actually raised my suspicion of him, but it also felt like him not knowing how the hell to act.
But then again, he is actually not bad at this game, maybe this is his scumplay. LSB, are you trolling me? Everyone is scummy.
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Sinani said Nisani is a bit experienced, newbie card should be non-existant.
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It's lynching time.
OriginalName
The plan is to show with this post that OriginalName is very likely to be scum. I have went back and re-read his entire posting history. This, along with the shenanigans in PM land, leads me to believe that ON is indeed not part of our lovely town.
The first thing I'd like to bring to everyone's attention is the fact that ON has hardly accused anyone in this game, except for Sandroba. His accusation on Sandroba is incredibly weak.
On July 13 2011 05:44 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 05:39 Palmar wrote: Yeah, I don't really like sandroba at the moment. His list smells like a weak attempt at buying safety. There is no reason for a town sided person to exclude players from getting lynched day 1, it simply does not make sense.
But then again, I completely agree with Sandroba on ON. ON has done almost nothing but not commiting this game, he also randomly fos'd sandroba out of the blue. I was talking to him on IRC at the time, and he mentioned radfield/kurumi/nisani being scummy, but a little later I said Sandroba was scummy, and that's the person he fos'd. He basically went with my read over his own, which also smells like an attempt to buy friends. I had weak cases until I found Sandroba, I still have weak cases, I dont like commiting to weak cases because very often weak cases are wrong. I haven't even put a vote down on anyone yet and neither has anyone else. So how can anyone really be called commital yet?
As soon as I call him out on not committing he claims to have suddenly found a strong case. A case that was basically based on my own initial suspicion of Sandroba. He hasn't said a damn word in the thread about why Sandroba is scummy, just that "it's not a weak case".
But while ON has not been busy making enemies by calling them scum, he sure as hell has been trying to make friends.
On July 13 2011 05:10 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 05:08 Kurumi wrote:On July 13 2011 05:06 syllogism wrote: It's extremely useful to get a blue/town read on someone in this format, much more so than a traditional game Just pointing out: That's not how town syllogism posts. Meta =/= Scum. And depending on how items work and such he could be right.
On July 13 2011 05:40 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 05:24 sandroba wrote: OK, players I refuse to lynch day1 this game are myself =) syllogism radfield gmarshal
Everyone else is fair game. I'm liking ON as scum, he's making bland posts and not commiting, while soft pushing me as scum. Please provide evidence because im fairly sure i committed to lynching scummy lurkers over all else day 1 and im even more sure that you are just omgusing me because i decided to push you. I agree mostly with that list overall though syllogism just hasnt done quite enough yet to warrent that spot.
On July 13 2011 01:57 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 01:50 Kurumi wrote: Guys, are we going for inactive lynch or scummiest person lynch Day 1? Also Radfield smells worse and worse for me.. PM trap without good enough skills (thanks Palmar) Role fishing (thanks Jackal58) Contradiction about BP (possible trap for future?) Wanted to buy: BP Votes (said it was a trap) RPG I don't like lynching Radfield day 1, hes generally a very good player as such hes been killed N1 of alot of games recently (PYPI was the exception as he picked bulletproof) for good reason. This is stupid, just because he says hes not good at PM games doesnt mean it takes alot of skill to lay a pm trap. Its just knowing how to play mafia in a reasonable manner, revealing it was a trap in my opinion was the only silly move he did there.
On July 13 2011 01:58 OriginalName wrote: Also he could be lying about said pm skills to avoid scum shooting by appearing meeker.
This is scum play 101. If I tell GMarshal I think he's town, he's going to find it more likely that I am town too. It's just the mutual trust thing. ON is very busy telling us various players are town sided so we can all hold hands in one happy circle while he kills us during night.
He cannot commit to scumreads, but he's sure as hell willing to commit to town reads. Why a town player would ever do that? I have no idea.
And finally, he posts some blanket statements and instructions on how to play. Those things are scum favourites, as they look like contributions but sure as hell they aren't. I'll give a few examples in the next few quotes.
On July 13 2011 01:31 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 01:08 Kurumi wrote: Also Radfield.. On the page 5 You said You'll announce who sold You the BP vest, but on this page You say we shouldn't announce contracts at all. It's a contradiction. It really depends on the scenario for gaining the item. I think the system should go something like this, Do I think the Item is boobied? If yes - Announce the damned contract if no - Keep it to yourself. Otherwise if your really scared about secrecy or weather its announced or not just write it in the contract that said person will announce that he has completed it with another player.
On July 13 2011 04:09 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 04:03 Nisani201 wrote:On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote: Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?
Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi. Lynching lurkers might seem like a good idea in a large game, but in a small game like this I wouldn't recommend it. Lurkers almost always end up being Town aligned. And that lost townie, even if he's a lurker, carries a lot of weight because we can't let the Mafia outnumber us. In a normal game, a single lurker doesn't matter as much in terms of quantity. While this is true in theory, it should be based on such a thing as a Lurker who is posting fairly town or a lurker with weak opinions. We obviously lynch the lurker with weak opinions if there is a person we are on the fence about, that way we can buy ourselves time to look at the scummy active player who may turn out to be town and have solid scumreads for the remainder of the game.
On July 13 2011 05:05 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 04:57 Kurumi wrote: Ok ON, You gave me a "suspect" but made nothing about Yourself, I don't understand that. If someone's suspicious in Your eyes, why won't You announce it with something to back it up? While I agree sandroba's looking suspicious, that does not allow You just say "X is suspicious" and leave it here. Sandroba talks about me not contributing while not contributing, pretty obvious why it makes him suspicious and saying Nisani is supporting me is bullshit, he just said that my little analysis how screwed we can be Day 2 is a shortcut why lurker lynch is bad. Because its all mostly gutreads that I honestly have barely any evidence to back up with it. I cant go oh look their 100% after 5 posts from each of them. There has to be patterns. Sure one case can be scummy and look you pointed out my pattern of not really giving evidence. And now im responding because In sands case its mostly the Lynching lurkers for lynching lurkers angle rather than lynching lurkers because they're scummy.
The last one is especially incriminating. He is making damn fucking sure that no one thinks he's convinced in his reads. Good plan, then people can't call you out for a bad day 1 lynch. No they'll be calling out the people who led the lynch.
Well sucks for ON that it'll be him hanging.
Not even love can save you now, scum.
OriginalName is Scum
##Vote OriginalName
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oh, and if we have a DT type role, for the love of god check Chezinu cause we aren't going to analyse out his alignment.
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On July 13 2011 19:59 Kurumi wrote: Sinani said Nisani is a bit experienced, newbie card should be non-existant. Wrong, this is the second forum game that I've played. The only other Mafia games I've played besides this and RTM are SC2 Mafia games, which have a completely different atmosphere (you can try it if you want, last I checked it was pretty high up in the custom game rankings).
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Kurumi, that is an excellent analysis. I agree with you on everything but one point. I think he is SK, not mafia. I played a game as SK once, and whenever I picked up on something I felt was a blue slip, or there was a player I was worried about, I tried to subtly hint to mafia to shoot him.
On July 13 2011 00:36 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +As an advertisement to business, I have defensive weapons to sell. If you are interested, PM me. This seems like a risky thing to be posting in public. Surely it makes far more sense for you to be PMing players you have pro-town reads on rather than letting everyone know.
Notice how he thinks this is something risky to post. So then...why bring attention to it? Why bring attention to something you think I shouldn't have said in the first place? His first post also points to being an SK. He asks for a bulletproof vest - SK wanting protection from mafia hits? Yes. He asks for votes - SK wanting swing-vote ability, to control the lynch? Yes. He can even use this to pursue a strong mafia suspect and gain major town cred. He asks for RPG's - SK wanting to increase their killing ability? Yes. He's third party, he's not worried about hitting someone on his own team. If he kills mafia, he's eliminated a threat to himself, if he kills town, hopefully he got a dangerous blue role. The more kills, the faster he's won the game.
Radfield is scum.
##Vote: Radfield
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I just replied to a PM that Radfield sent me. I'm sure he didn't like my answer to much. He asked for my opinions and I told him I was leaning towards him or Nisani for my vote today. I had not even considered the SK angle but that fits better into his reasons for posting as he has than him being scum does. Thank you chaos.
I am having a very busy day at work today and then I have bowling tonight so I will not be on much until late this evening. And by then I'll be drunk. My apologies.
##VOTE: Radfield
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OK, I've made my decision.
##Vote: Radfield
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On July 13 2011 17:59 Kurumi wrote:Radfield's Fall >insert a statute falling image here< I would leave Radfield alone. I seriously would if I saw anything redeeming him. There are a couple of things missing in the picture with Radfield's play in this game. #1: No suspects. Radfield suspects... noone. + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2011 07:29 Radfield wrote: I don't see the case on OriginalName. His posting looks legit for the moment.
Sandroba looks fine for now as well, though I'll admit I'm a bit biased, partly because he was posting the things I was thinking, partly because he was my scum buddy last game.
Nisani, how is chaos13 playing protown? He's only made two posts....
missed a quote tag there chez... i'm disappointed. Look, this is how Radfield talk about people. "He is town." "He is town too." "Town too." Pretty easy to say as scum. Radfield literally found 0 scuminess in people so far. #2: Scum-driven actions. A) Role fishing. + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2011 05:00 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 04:54 Jackal58 wrote:On July 13 2011 04:47 Radfield wrote: Why did you post this? I made it clear I was role fishing, no bones about it.
To ensure that everybody saw it and was aware of it. Most people I've ever seen fishing for roles were scum. Fair enough, but I made it awfully clear what I was doing. + Show nested quote +I find it likely that there are certain pro-town abilities(investigations, medics, etc) that require money to activate. Trying to learn what players roles are is all mafia is. Being able to peg someone as a definite red/blue is extremely handy. Why the heck would You want to know if someone was blue? To out them? Slip the information? Send PM about someone's role to wrong person? Role fishing IS NOT a Town trait. Town has absolutely no need in knowing who is blue. Everything Town needs to know is who is scum and who is town. You don't search for blues, You search for TOWN! The priority of course is scumhunting, but if someone behaves Town You have one person less to think about. B) Shady contracts So let's list what Radfield wanted to buy: RPG (every town needs one, of course!) Votes (You know, we have a Mayor election this game) Bulletproof Vest (hai guise thanks to vest i survived night 1 i am totally not scum thanks to that so don't hit on my scuminess silly boys, my scum bro "sold" me one) What Radfield sold: Gave 25,000 Kronos to Chezinu So let's sit down and think a bit. How good would be to have an excuse for surviving Night 1 as scum? Amazing! BPV fits in the pattern. Votes? That was searching for SK. The first person to sell his/her vote is likely a SK. How good would be allying with one? How awesome, 2KP! Also we don't know if Radfield speaks truth about noone selling his vote. It is highly likely there's a deal between Radfield and Chezinu. C) Excuses + Show Spoiler +QUOTE] On July 13 2011 05:25 Radfield wrote:On July 13 2011 05:03 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote: Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?
Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi. Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 04:35 sandroba wrote: 1) I'm not advocating a lurker lynch 2) I'm not defending Radfield
That said he does not strike me as scummy and I would rather we pressure really scummy people like kurumi and nisani. Sandroba I don't see in any way how Kurumi is more scummy at this point than Radfield based on actions alone. On the contrary, Kurumi is pointing out what exactly makes Radfield our leading suspect (although the BP contradiction is quite bs). role-fishing is one of the scummiest things to do. Isn't it a bit suspicious that radfield folds on his trap after one line of inquiry? That said, is he super-scummy? No but I like his chances at flipping red more than a lurker's. I have zero votes heist, and in no way shape or form am I the most scummy player in this thread. However, given that certain players seem to be bent on spending their time focused on me today, here is my proposal: Set aside your suspicions for 1 cycle. If by day 2 you still think I am the best target for a lynch, then push me with all your might. However, in the meantime, stop focusing on my terrible first post that had apprx 3 minutes of thought, and instead look around at the other players in the thread. I am confident that by day 2 my posting will have spoken for itself.
"Hi guys, I scumslipped, but could You forget about it for a moment? Like, one night so I can use MY ADDITIONAL KP TO FUCK YOU OVER?" Sure Radfield, I am totally letting You go. About the "I am confident that by day 2 my posting will have spoken for itself" just read his posts after that one, if You find someone who he suspects, a plan, anything green, tell me. He's posting utter crap, getting in deal with Chezinu and talking how everyone is town without much evidence. Also something else: Radfield is sure he will be alive Day 2. ##Vote Radfield No. [/QUOTE] I hate to say it Kurumi, but I essentially disagree with everything you say here. From what I can see your argument breaks down into three main points. Which I will break down here
1.) He isn't actually suspicious of anyone. Well, from having seen Radfield play in PYP:I that seems to me to be par for the course, yes it meta, but generally Rads day one play consists of pretty blanket statements and a general avoiding finger-pointing, if I didn't know him better I might be suspicious, but I really dont find his behavior that incriminating
2.) Role Fishing, usually you would be right, rolefishing *is* a scummy action, its usually very anti-town. Unless you have information or powers that are essential to enabling those blues to succeed. Reading through Rad's posts its very, very clear that he has NO money driven powers, what Rad was trying to do (from my point of view) is find out who needs money and then figure out which of those people are town to *enable* them to use their actions. Seeing it from that point of view the rolefishing seems a lot less scummy and very much more useful, no?
3.) He is confident he will be alive day 2. That is a very common attitude, its one I have, I play as if I were going to survive all game long, more often than not I die by night 2, but I still play and make statements that assume I'm going to be alive. Your assumption that he has extra KP of some sort is entirely wifom, I'm pretty sure that any KP LSB handed out would not be immediately usable, they would either be cash activated or not usable by the original owner, and since no one traded KP (as I instructed) then that isn't a worry.
Finally some reasons why I don't want to lynch Rad 1.) He is an extremely strong town player, lynching him day 1 hurts us immensely if he is town as he is a ridiculously strong asset, if he *is* town then mafia will gun him down by day 2
2.) There are better targets in my opinion, like the real-time contract bank...
3.) Rad plays extremely *safe* as scum, go read CCM and then tell me he would make statements about RPG's in thread if he were scum.
Anyway, see you all later, I'm off to get food
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nice posting skills GMarshal.
Your point number one is completely invalid, as the mafia would have no reason to take down a player they think are under suspicion, no matter how strong his play is.
But on the other hand, I had exactly the same thoughts as you on your point number three, Radfield is simply too good at this to slip up like that on day one.
I still like ON better as day 1 lynch.
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On July 14 2011 00:14 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 19:59 Kurumi wrote: Sinani said Nisani is a bit experienced, newbie card should be non-existant. Wrong, this is the second forum game that I've played. The only other Mafia games I've played besides this and RTM are SC2 Mafia games, which have a completely different atmosphere (you can try it if you want, last I checked it was pretty high up in the custom game rankings).
He incurs suspicion all game and then soft-excuses himself as being inexperienced. I find this far more suspicious than trying to make friends (trying to find almost-certain townies is almost as important as catching scum in this game. trust is the most important factor of this game) and noncommittal attitudes (especially if this is typical of their history). With everything else that has been lain out against nisani, I am sticking with my suspicions on nisani.
##Vote: nisani201
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On July 14 2011 02:04 Nisani201 wrote: OK, I've made my decision.
##Vote: Radfield
Bandwagon much?
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On July 14 2011 02:04 Nisani201 wrote: OK, I've made my decision.
##Vote: Radfield Further actions against Chezinu Bank and its members will only increase your termination process.
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Flying Under The Radar 101: heist
Heist, the hidden poster, the guy who's name you hear and you ask, "Is he even playing in this game?" Heist, the stealthy scum who intends to make it through the game by posting generic, content-less posts. You don't have to take my word for it, just look at his first post
On July 13 2011 04:02 heist wrote: In a game this small I think we have to lynch someone suspicious, not necessarily rad. Lynching a lurker will give us very little information to work on and the lurker still has a good chance of flipping town.
Also Kurumi lemme guess your equipment:
1. standard issue butterfly knife 2. electro sapper
Am I close? What's up with the picture?
Part 1: "we should be lynching scummy players", well no freaking duh, that is the point of the game. But what scummy player does he point out? "Not necessarily rad". This comment sort of acknowledges that Rad is kind of suspicious, but in reality it doesn't commit to it. It also offers no idea of who is suspicious
Part 2: Let me pad my post with nonesense and sort of blue-fish. We've accused Rad of blue fishing, yet look at this really subtle attempt at figuring out what Kurumi is.
Look at this post.
On July 13 2011 05:35 heist wrote: I can definitely give you the benefit of the doubt this early on radfield. I'm just really surprised that Sandroba can completely disregard everything you've done and now he's put you on his no lynch list.
Now look at this post
On July 13 2011 05:03 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote: Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?
Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi. Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 04:35 sandroba wrote: 1) I'm not advocating a lurker lynch 2) I'm not defending Radfield
That said he does not strike me as scummy and I would rather we pressure really scummy people like kurumi and nisani. Sandroba I don't see in any way how Kurumi is more scummy at this point than Radfield based on actions alone. On the contrary, Kurumi is pointing out what exactly makes Radfield our leading suspect (although the BP contradiction is quite bs). role-fishing is one of the scummiest things to do. Isn't it a bit suspicious that radfield folds on his trap after one line of inquiry? That said, is he super-scummy? No but I like his chances at flipping red more than a lurker's.
He's willing to give Rad "the benefit of the doubt" yet he thinks he is scummier than a random lurker. Heist even points out all these super scummy actions "rolefishing, dropping the trap, the BP contradiction" . yet despite beleiving all the scummy actions and providing no reason why they might NOT be scum oriented he still "gives him the benefit of the doubt". What a genuine lack of commitment, he thinks rad is suspicious but isn't willing to commit to it seriously. This is the sign of a faltering scum, one who either doesn't want to risk busing a buddy or one who wants to avoid having green blood on their hands. Having null read is acceptable, what is *not* acceptable is listing why this guy is more likely to be scum than a lurker (a soft red read) and then just handwaving it away.
I once again invite us to compare two separate posts
On July 13 2011 05:46 heist wrote:I was just going to say, despite that, I agree with Sandroba on Nisani as more likely scum although I'm assuming it's just based on this one post? Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 02:25 Nisani201 wrote: I also am not sure about Radfield... however he seems like a good lynch to me. Unless a better lynch pops up then we probably should stay on him. A lurker lynch is not a good idea because they always end up being town, and every Townie matters when we're in a quantity battles with the Mafia in the later game (as Kurumi so nicely pointed out earlier in the thread). Lurkers are not always town. You really shouldn't be making any statement that encourages people to lurk. He does seem eager to lynch someone with very little evidence. I am fully expecting to eat my own words right here because after all this is just one post, but I'm just pointing out that this post does not seem very pro-town at all.
On July 13 2011 04:02 heist wrote: In a game this small I think we have to lynch someone suspicious, not necessarily rad. Lynching a lurker will give us very little information to work on and the lurker still has a good chance of flipping town.
Heist claims to be against the lurker lynch, preferring to lynch "someone suspicious" yet when someone tries to do EXACTLY THAT, they are "Eager to lynch someone with little evidence" and "not very pro-town at all". To me this is 1.) a serious contradiction in thoughts and attitude 2.) throwing his support lightly behind another bandwagon. In particular note words and phrases like "seems" "ready to eat my own words" "I'm just pointing out". These all suggest someone who wants to start and support a wagon without being held responsible for it later, when green blood is dripping from the gallows.
then there is this little jem. Can we say "spreading doubt" all together now? Without a real FoS or anything near that he tries to get the ball rolling, cast a little suspicion and doubt. Now the question *is* legitimate, but the way its asked suggests a level of attempted detachment. It wouldn't be nearly as suspicious if it were more pointed "what has GMarshal done anyway, he only has like 3 posts" would have been fine. The way he asks it seeks to throw doubt while avoiding a heads up confrontation.
Finally he has a post where he says he is "most suspicious of sandroba" but that he won't vote for him or make a case against him because "he agrees about nisani201". Heads up, if you think someone is scum, then following their lead is usually a short road to death and the slaughter of the town. What townie is going to say "yep I'm 100% sure GM is mafia, but hey he said to lynch heist, and the case is moderately convincing, so I'mma going to go with heist, k?" That is a behavioral contradiction that worries me more than anything else. It indicates un-town like disregard for who the lynch target is, and unwillingness to push your lead suspect.
I'm really, really suspicious of heist, and I am convinced he is probably scum.
Now heist, care to explain your actions and your contradictions? Or would you like a fine noose around your neck?
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